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MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Apr 2 @ 7:27 PM ET
Frost has a good chance of finishing the year as a 20 goal/45 point player. He is getting 3.5 aav or more, especially in light of some recent deals signed. Filip Chytil comes to mind immediately. His AAV is 4.43 aav. And that is for 22 goals and 43 points.
- MBFlyerfan


Not bad for an AHL player.
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Apr 2 @ 7:58 PM ET
All those posts about how Frost was another Jason Akeson and he's already cracked 40 points in his first full NHL season.
- Feanor

Has anyone around here dropped this name within the last year or is this entire post fiction on a Sunday? I can’t remember the last time Akeson has come up.
black_francis
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bumfuck, NJ
Joined: 01.10.2015

Apr 2 @ 8:04 PM ET
No you aren't.
- MJL


I mean… that’s exactly what you’re saying
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Apr 2 @ 8:10 PM ET
Malkin can be Malkin all he wants when they are winning 3-0.

I wonder what he was saying? 🤔
black_francis
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bumfuck, NJ
Joined: 01.10.2015

Apr 2 @ 8:16 PM ET
Not bad for a Neanderthal
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Apr 2 @ 8:17 PM ET
I mean… that’s exactly what you’re saying
- black_francis



How so?


bird_dog_pa
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 07.05.2011

Apr 2 @ 8:18 PM ET
ND you can’t contain him you can only hope to not be the 11th game on the schedule.
black_francis
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bumfuck, NJ
Joined: 01.10.2015

Apr 2 @ 8:20 PM ET
How so?
- MJL


The road blocks this team put in front of him? You’ve complained about Torts usage of him all year long. So if it’s not the coach holding him back what is it, in your opinion?

If you’re going to call injuries a roadblock the team put in front of him - did the team hold him down and injure him?

Help me understand, I am capable.
black_francis
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bumfuck, NJ
Joined: 01.10.2015

Apr 2 @ 8:21 PM ET
This idea that Frost needs to more assertive is a myth that you created. It's simply been an attempt by you to justify the ludicrous opinion that you had that Frost is an AHL player. The truth and reality is that Frost has been playing well going back to last season. The only road block was the fool coach refusing to use him properly in the beginning of the season as well as Yeo last season.
- MJL

MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Apr 2 @ 8:36 PM ET
The road blocks this team put in front of him? You’ve complained about Torts usage of him all year long. So if it’s not the coach holding him back what is it, in your opinion?


- black_francis


That's incorrect. I have not complained about Tortorella's usage of Frost all season long. I didn't say that he is being held back now. What I've said is that Frost has progressed and grown as a player. Despite the road blocks put in his way.



If you’re going to call injuries a roadblock the team put in front of him - did the team hold him down and injure him?

Help me understand, I am capable.

- black_francis



Of course his injury wasn't caused by the team but that was one of them. Mike Yeo insisted that Frost play with lower skilled linemates to work on other areas of his game. That his points and offensive game would come. That is archaic player development strategy. Top teams don't develop players like that. Let the player play with his strengths in the right situations. Don't take away his confidence. A player can play to his strengths in the best situations for that player to use his strengths while also working on other areas of his game. Tortorella continued that in the beginning of this season for some unknown reason. In my opinion, Frost would be furhter along as a player, if that wasn't done. Frost is an offensive players, who needs to play with skilled players, in offensive situations.
wcorvette
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Boynton Beach, FL
Joined: 10.03.2010

Apr 2 @ 8:36 PM ET
Frost has a good chance of finishing the year as a 20 goal/45 point player. He is getting 3.5 aav or more, especially in light of some recent deals signed. Filip Chytil comes to mind immediately. His AAV is 4.43 aav. And that is for 22 goals and 43 points.
- MBFlyerfan



Brought him up the other day, more PPG, but if I am Frosts rep I am using Chytill.
Trox88
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 08.12.2020

Apr 2 @ 8:42 PM ET
I think Farabee will be fine next season. Eichel recovery gives us a glimpse of the path for Farabee.
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Apr 2 @ 8:44 PM ET
keeping the tank on track
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Apr 2 @ 8:44 PM ET
I think Farabee will be fine next season. Eichel recovery gives us a glimpse of the path for Faraber.
- Trox88

huh?
Dkos
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Gritty, PA
Joined: 01.15.2007

Apr 2 @ 8:47 PM ET
Gotta love TK. Totally meaningless game and he’s fired up. The way he plays gets the whole team going. I’d hate to see him traded. I wish Hayes had half his heart.
black_francis
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bumfuck, NJ
Joined: 01.10.2015

Apr 2 @ 8:47 PM ET

Frost has been steadily figuring things out
and improving steadily since he came off of his injury year. Despite the road blocks placed on him by his team.

Tortorella has done more to hold Frost back than to help him. Tortorella is a mediocre coach. You claimed that Frost is an AHL player. Claimed he was a lazy player. You have no standing to tell anyone they are wrong. Frost to his credit is developing into a fine player despite all the roadblocks put in his way.

This idea that Frost needs to more assertive is a myth that you created. It's simply been an attempt by you to justify the ludicrous opinion that you had that Frost is an AHL player. The truth and reality is that Frost has been playing well going back to last season. The only road block was the fool coach refusing to use him properly in the beginning of the season as well as Yeo last season.

- MJL



Am I reading this right, Frost success is his and his alone but this misgivings are strictly his coach’s?

- Hosher12


No you aren't.
- MJL
Trox88
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 08.12.2020

Apr 2 @ 8:53 PM ET
huh?
- 2Real


His surgery was very similiar to Eichel's. Eichel's first season post surgery he was .73 pts/gm.
This season is Eichel's second season post surgery and he is back to his career avg. as a PPG. I would expect Farabee to return to closer to his career PPG avg. next season.
THE EVIL WITHIN
Location: NJ
Joined: 11.20.2017

Apr 2 @ 8:58 PM ET
Angel0 secured the loss!
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Apr 2 @ 8:58 PM ET
Black Francis, if you want to have a discussion, you have to make a point. Rather than just reposting my posts.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Apr 2 @ 8:59 PM ET
Beautiful one time pass by Frost to set up Konecny. Love the way Konecny jumped into that hole.
black_francis
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bumfuck, NJ
Joined: 01.10.2015

Apr 2 @ 8:59 PM ET
Black Francis, if you want to have a discussion, you have to make a point. Rather than just reposting my posts.
- MJL


Well you are directly contradicting yourself. And I’m trying to understand. What you’ve written in this thread is at odds with your answer to Hosher12
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Apr 2 @ 9:00 PM ET
Gotta love TK. Totally meaningless game and he’s fired up. The way he plays gets the whole team going. I’d hate to see him traded. I wish Hayes had half his heart.
- Dkos


Never know if an offer is made that they can't refuse but I don't believe that the Flyers are going to shop Konecny.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Apr 2 @ 9:02 PM ET
Well you are directly contradicting yourself. And I’m trying to understand. What you’ve written in this thread is at odds with your answer to Hosher12
- black_francis


That's not correct at all. My read is that Hosher12 is implying that I have said that Frost's success on the ice is due to Frost and whatever mistakes he makes is on the coach. That is not at all what I have said. How am I contradicting myself?
Trox88
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 08.12.2020

Apr 2 @ 9:03 PM ET
I thought Ersson was very good this game. That fluky goal was unfortunate. Not sure what they do with Hart this summer.
black_francis
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bumfuck, NJ
Joined: 01.10.2015

Apr 2 @ 9:06 PM ET
That's not correct at all. My read is that Hosher12 is implying that I have said that Frost's success on the ice is due to Frost and whatever mistakes he makes is on the coach. That is not at all what I have said. How am I contradicting myself?
- MJL


and yet any progress Frost makes is due to Frost despite his coach?
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