Frost still is playing for his spot on the team and his next contract, so yeah, it is the same thing - a National Hockey League regular season game.
- Feanor

😂

I think that's a small part of it but it has a lot to do with his propensity for favoring the defensive side of the puck over modern day NHL hockey. As well as his ego that he is going to change whatever he can, whether it worked in the past or not. He is going to put his stamp on things. That's not out of place for any coach but he takes it to an extreme.
- MJL

The best teams in the league play a structured defensive game.

look at boston, carolina, tampa.

You can't take the humanity out of the game. This isn't a video game where you can simulate. If it was, Corey Perry would have scored 50 goals every year since 2012.

There are factors that go into a coaches decision and there are factors that can help elevate a players play.

What if he was at wing all year? With the emergence of TK and Tippett, the return of Farabee this year that's a lot of pressure to keep up with for a rookie and he'd be battling uphill for slotting. Who knows how that would have turned out? Oh, you do.


What if an employer comes to you and says "hey we are really short in this department, could you help out? anything you can do is helpful even if you've never done it before." That would give anyone confidence to succeed, perhaps with a longer leash knowing you're just helping out where needed, getting more ice time rather than be relegated further down the depth chart. You can tell he's running with it. I think it's great for his development overall as a player. You don't, that's where we disagree. I'd argue that him being a one-trick pony would not be beneficial for him.

Speaking of which, confidence and slotting. Where have I heard that before? Regarding Frost perhaps? So where he's slotted and who he is playing with and the perceived confidence (or lack thereof) he gets from those scenarios is a valid excuse for Frosts "misusage". Why can't it be the same with Cates? Why can't he get the same "intangible confidence" based on where he is or is not being played?
- black_francis

I guess there was no pressure for a young player having to play a new position as the 1C with the teams top players for Cates this year. There was no humanity in that I guess.

This is not an everyday work environment. It is the NHL. Cates would not be a one trick pony as a winger.

It is an excuse for Cates. As I've stated umpteen times. His pedestrian scoring rate is not his fault. It is the result of playing the player out of position in the wrong role. What are you talking about?

The one caveat that I will add to counter this is that his line mates can arguably be said are much higher quality this season. So his numbers should be noticeably higher from an offensive standpoint. They are lower. .03 in the grand scheme is identical, But I feel like playing with the players he has this season, the numbers should be higher. That is all I'm saying.
- MBFlyerfan

almost all of the team offensive numbers are less this year.

I get Tanner Pearson vibes from Foerster.

Brink has a lot of sneaky skill. I could see him becoming a bit of a Cam Atkinson type.
- Tomahawk

Owen Nolan

I love how Frost gets an asterisk while nobody mentions that Owen Tippett's only managed multiple goals against:

Columbus (2)
Buffalo (3)
Montreal (4)

That's 9 of his 22 goals.

do you really expect his scoring rate to be as high matching up against the other teams top line? what were his offensive vs defensive zone starting percentages? what was the shooting percentages?

comparing a 16 game sample size vs a full season is foolish imo.
- Peter Richards

LOL. No I don't. I realize that playing him out of position and in a role he is not capable of has hurt the player and his development. Which is why I want him to play on the wing and believe that he has a higher upside as a winger.

You've all been telling me that his development hasn't been hurt but then argue against yourself that it has.

I love how Frost gets an asterisk while nobody mentions that Owen Tippett's only managed multiple goals against:

Columbus (2)
Buffalo (3)
Montreal (4)

That's 9 of his 22 goals.
- Tomahawk

I've posted multiple times that Frost has scored 15 points playing against playoff teams in 13 games. Crickets.

I love how Frost gets an asterisk while nobody mentions that Owen Tippett's only managed multiple goals against:

Columbus (2)
Buffalo (3)
Montreal (4)

That's 9 of his 22 goals.
- Tomahawk

probabaly bc he's not home grown. but same as tippet. i would like to see more from his two way game, but also think the last month he has hustled and made a lot of back checking plays.

Owen Nolan
- Peter Richards

I see Brink becoming more of a TJ Oshie type but without the chippy aspect.


edit: Unless you were talking about Foerster.

I've posted multiple times that Frost has scored 15 points playing against playoff teams in 13 games. Crickets.
- MJL

IKR.

I'm of the stance that any differences between competition and parts of the season are marginal. Scoring points/goals in the NHL will always be pretty difficult and praiseworthy no matter who they were scored against.

I see Brink becoming more of a TJ Oshie type but without the chippy aspect.


edit: Unless you were talking about Foerster.
- MBFlyerfan

lol yes foerster.

brink, i could see tj, but the b- version. not the same wheels, but similar vision and handling. tj s skating just far superior.

Owen Nolan
- Peter Richards

I see you're optimistic about young Tyson lol.

IKR.

I'm of the stance that any differences between competition and parts of the season are marginal. Scoring points/goals in the NHL will always be pretty difficult and praiseworthy no matter who they were scored against.
- Tomahawk

points are points unless your gonna take the time to look at each game objectively. which just seems tedious.

IKR.

I'm of the stance that any differences between competition and parts of the season are marginal. Scoring points/goals in the NHL will always be pretty difficult and praiseworthy no matter who they were scored against.
- Tomahawk

I totally agree. There is just this continuing narrative that Frost only scores against the week teams while Tippett lights up the top teams. I don't know why there has to be a constant comparison. I really like both players and think that both have a bright future.

I see you're optimistic about young Tyson lol.
- Tomahawk

it's more his shot and body. nolan was a better skater. and one i just always wanted. small sample...but two of his goals at least were rockets. maybe he gets nolan's accuracy with a little practice. but yeah...more like nolan lite

Frost vs Tippett

I think realistically fans have a better idea of what Tippett is right now, than what Frost is going to be. Both have more to give but I think we already know what Tippett is, while we continue to wait with Frost.

Frost vs Tippett

I think realistically fans have a better idea of what Tippett is right now, than what Frost is going to be. Both have more to give but I think we already know what Tippett is, while we continue to wait with Frost.
- SuperSchennBros

What is Tippett?

What is Tippett?
- Tomahawk

A guy with some serious tools that’s inconsistent

Chytill just signed a 4 year 17.75 deal, he is 23, best season prior was 23 points, currently has 42 and over 82 games it would be a 56 point pace and centers the 3rd line for the Rags, this is his 5th full season. By all account he is seen as projecting upwards and improving

Frost 2nd season, first full season, 38 points, played more games than Chytill 43 point pace

Noah Cates rookie season but 24, he has 33 points, 37 point pace

rookie scoring leaders, I think it gives a little context to Cates and Frost, offset somewhat by their age.

What are Frost and Cates worth on a contract. While we discuss Cates at center, is it not fair to compare him to other rookies?


Matty Beniers , Sea 50
2 Matias Maccelli , Ari 43
3 Mason McTavish , Anh 42
4 Kent Johnson , Cls 38
5 Wyatt Johnston , Dal 36
6 Jack Quinn , Buf 34
7 Noah Cates , Phi 33

The one caveat that I will add to counter this is that his line mates can arguably be said are much higher quality this season. So his numbers should be noticeably higher from an offensive standpoint. They are lower. .03 in the grand scheme is identical, But I feel like playing with the players he has this season, the numbers should be higher. That is all I'm saying.
- MBFlyerfan

I wouldn’t think so based on the balance of quality opponents. Cates is producing that while facing top lines as a center. His linemates during that sample: so TK was out some injured, Farabee and Tippett are still developing and not used to being first liners and Laughton is playing up sometimes. The higher quality idea is not really a thing when you consider that because the Flyers lack top-end forwards or even experience playing top line so everyone is slotted wrong. Other than TK who has been out injured, none look like top line forwards. Hayes playing wing against top lines goes only slightly better than center and is a defensive disaster when he isn’t scoring. I doubt you are counting his time with MacEwen in there.

I wouldn’t think so based on the balance of quality opponents. Cates is producing that while facing top lines as a center. His linemates during that sample: so TK was out some injured, Farabee and Tippett are still developing and not used to being first liners and Laughton is playing up sometimes. The higher quality idea is not really a thing when you consider that because the Flyers lack top-end forwards or even experience playing top line so everyone is slotted wrong. Other than TK who has been out injured, none look like top line forwards. Hayes playing wing against top lines goes only slightly better than center and is a defensive disaster when he isn’t scoring. I doubt you are counting his time with MacEwen in there.
- NC Flyers Fan

Farabee has been dreadful this season outside of the last week and Tippett was the linemate in the grand 16 games last season no? Frost and Tippett, the bad linemates at wing

Farabee has been dreadful this season outside of the last week and Tippett was the linemate in the grand 16 games last season no? Frost and Tippett, the bad linemates at wing
- ClaudeFather

Yes, Tippett, Frost then Hayes was his most often linemates last season (16 games). Farabee and Cates really don’t have good numbers together.

A guy with some serious tools that’s inconsistent
- ClaudeFather

Also describes one Morgan Frost 😉

A guy with some serious tools that’s inconsistent
- ClaudeFather

He's been playing a bit banged up lately, but I think he's been pretty consistent since mid-December. Went on a ridiculous binge of scoring chances -- quite a few of which were self-created -- for a couple weeks earlier this month. Still needs to finish more consistently but he's legit.