No, it really doesn't. How does having a franchise goalie help add the players you need up front and on defense? If anything, it hurts a rebuilding team as the better goaltending adds some wins and leads to a lower draft position.
- MJL

I can see the logic in this. That is why to me this year was the year the Flyers needed to tank and get into the top 3, because I don't see this team being any lower than they are right now for years to come given the young players they do have.

Oh no .. here we go
- jd250

jared ross?

There you go again calling something that isn't, a fact. Severson is a nice player but he is not a player that elevates a team. He'll probably get drastically overpaid if he hits free agency. Things don't change that fast. There is a history in this league. Now to clarify, my definition of being in the thick of it, is being a legit challenger for the cup. That doesn't happen quick from where the Flyers are now. Everything will have to break pretty well just for them to get there in 5 years.
Connor McDavid didn't come in and instantly transform the Oilers into a cup team but you think Fantilli might?
- MJL

There is a big difference between the team Connor MacDavid joined and this Flyers team. The Flyers have a much better team first of all and a much better coaching staff. I think this Flyer's team is a top end center and a top pairing defenseman away from truly contending, I really do. They have everything else in place.

There is a big difference between the team Connor MacDavid joined and this Flyers team. The Flyers have a much better team first of all and a much better coaching staff. I think this Flyer's team is a top end center and a top pairing defenseman away from truly contending, I really do. They have everything else in place.
- jd250

That is what like 28 teams are missing.

Its true the Flyers have not been in the thick of it since 2010 and even that run was a lucky one. Its also true that the Flyers would have to be extremely lucky at this point to get a player like Fantilli in this draft. And its also true that Severson might not get to free agency, though contract talks between him and the Devils have still not happened according to reports. My point is if by some miracle you could drop these players onto this current team, they would in fact be in the thick of it. That is how fast things can change when you got a solid core of players who are well coached. That is why I am not willing to concede that this Flyers team is many years away from contending again. They just need some luck for once, they are more than over due.
- jd250

If by some miracle you could trade McDavid for Hayes and Fox for Tony D Flyers would be in the thick of it...there are no miracles...Its will be 3 yrs or more before Flyers compete for a playoff spot especially in the Metro...Devils..Rangers..Carolina ( and Blue Jackets if they get Bedard) are all young and will be there for many years. They have to get draft capital cant do this half assed like we continually do. Hayes being traded isnt going to bring back much of anything even with retention...players like Tony D get you nothing if you even can move his 5M which I doubt...Provorov a good not great player maybe gets you a late 1st as only teams that will be interested are competitive teams....not going to be easy.

I think Hayes gets moved this offseason. They will retain some money and get a low return. I am fine with that.

Provorov also gets moved. They will get a first round pick and a prospect of some sort. The pick will be in the back half of the first round.

After that I am not sure of anything else. Those two moves would free up $11mil in space. I am not against spending it as long as it's nothing longterm.

I would like to see them use that space to take on a contract or two other teams do not want and get draft compensation. Like the Voracek deal with the Yotes.

I would like to see Angelo and Risto moved as well. Just do not see it happening with Risto. Angelo will probably a TDL move.

Keep playing the yutes.
- mickel25

Agree on Hayes. Salary will have to be retained and maybe even a contract coming the other way.

I hope they can get a first for Provorov but they have to find a team who needs him with the cap space available for the remainder of the contract, and who also would be willing to part with a first. I'm not sure how many teams exist that fit that set of criteria. Need and means.

I pray Risto gets moved. Angelo, I feel, will be a deadline move next season. That should be a no brainer.

I just don't believe the time line is that far in the future. Drop Fantilli on this team next year and make a run at Damon Severson from the Devils in free agency and this team is right back in the thick of it. They got the goal tending, they have potentially three 30+ goal scorers, good young forward depth and Couturier coming back. This team is not so far away IMO. That is why this draft was so important, get that high end top pick and everything changes rapidly.
- jd250

while I agree the timeline, done right, with a little luck is not as far off as most think, Fantilli is not going to be a Flyer, wish, but enough team building with wishes.

Agree on Hayes. Salary will have to be retained and maybe even a contract coming the other way.

I hope they can get a first for Provorov but they have to find a team who needs him with the cap space available for the remainder of the contract, and who also would be willing to part with a first. I'm not sure how many teams exist that fit that set of criteria. Need and means.

I pray Risto gets moved. Angelo, I feel, will be a deadline move next season. That should be a no brainer.
- MBFlyerfan

If the Flyers move Provorov, I hope we go all in and move Konency too. I hope it’s prior to the draft and the return looks a lot like what we got for Richards and Carter. I’d be looking for a young center with high potential and a defenseman with high potential and a couple of high draft picks.

That is what like 28 teams are missing.
- mickel25

I don't know. The Oilers certainly have two of the best centers in the game, but they can't play defense. The Rangers have it and it hasn't translated for them. You need a deep team with high end talent and great goal tending to win in this league, and I do believe the Flyers have the makings of being one of those teams, if they can just get one or two top end players. Easier said then done I know.

If the Flyers move Provorov, I hope we go all in and move Konency too. I hope it’s prior to the draft and the return looks a lot like what we got for Richards and Carter. I’d be looking for a young center with high potential and a defenseman with high potential and a couple of high draft picks.
- SuperSchennBros

I’m with you, slam this rebuild button. No better time to do it. Other than the past 7 years 😂

Agree on Hayes. Salary will have to be retained and maybe even a contract coming the other way.

I hope they can get a first for Provorov but they have to find a team who needs him with the cap space available for the remainder of the contract, and who also would be willing to part with a first. I'm not sure how many teams exist that fit that set of criteria. Need and means.

I pray Risto gets moved. Angelo, I feel, will be a deadline move next season. That should be a no brainer.
- MBFlyerfan

Risto isnt going anywhere IMO dont see that contract as moveable. Agree with you on Tony D trade deadline move for a pick

Hayes as well, just not a good fit at the moment and that there is definitely interest in him for those saying buyout. a buyout to me makes no sense. Provie is probably tired of losing. and of the two discussed he made it sound like the flyers were still high on sanhiem.

then he talked about torts in a good light and the young players that have done well under him. that he is the right coach for the team right now as we go through the rebuild.
- Peter Richards

Andrea just signed, Flyers have a lot of LD

while I agree the timeline, done right, with a little luck is not as far off as most think, Fantilli is not going to be a Flyer, wish, but enough team building with wishes.
- wcorvette

I will amend my previous comments by stating that if they luck in to Bedard or to a lesser extend Fantilli I would adjust my timeline. Especially with Bedard.

We can all try to be all koombaya in here to please the hawkey gawds and get some good karma over teams like Chicago, Arizona etc who are purposely tanking. Pray the gawds give us some luck because we are actually trying.

But...ya know lol

Risto isnt going anywhere IMO dont see that contract as moveable. Agree with you on Tony D trade deadline move for a pick
- hfc355

That is why I can only pray lol

while I agree the timeline, done right, with a little luck is not as far off as most think, Fantilli is not going to be a Flyer, wish, but enough team building with wishes.
- wcorvette

Yup .. could the Flyers jump up to the 2nd pick in the lottery for the second time in 6 years? If that happened people will think the Flyers are the Penguins.

I don't know. The Oilers certainly have two of the best centers in the game, but they can't play defense. The Rangers have it and it hasn't translated for them. You need a deep team with high end tralent and great goal tending to win in this league, and I do believe the Flyers have the makings of being one of those teams, if they can just one or two top end players. Easier said then done I know.
- jd250

How many teams do you think have a legit top line center and #1 d-man. There are maybe five that have both. Now I know a lot of teams have guys that play both and do ok. I am not talking about them. I am talking near MacKinnon-Makar level players.

I don't know. The Oilers certainly have two of the best centers in the game, but they can't play defense. The Rangers have it and it hasn't translated for them. You need a deep team with high end talent and great goal tending to win in this league, and I do believe the Flyers have the makings of being one of those teams, if they can just get one or two top end players. Easier said then done I know.
- jd250

Rangers are just developing it and it has already gotten them to the ECF...Oilers have never addressed goaltending or defense

I will amend my previous comments by stating that if they luck in to Bedard or to a lesser extend Fantilli I would adjust my timeline. Especially with Bedard.

We can all try to be all koombaya in here to please the hawkey gawds and get some good karma over teams like Chicago, Arizona etc who are purposely tanking. Pray the gawds give us some luck because we are actually trying.

But...ya know lol
- MBFlyerfan

If any team deserves some good luck for once its the Flyers. From getting porked in 2007 out of the number 1 pick and getting JVR instead of Kane, to picking Nolan Patrick with the 2nd pick in the draft in 2017, to all the injuries this team has had to face, their luck has just got to change. As Kirk would say "I think the galaxy owes me one" ...

How many teams do you think have a legit top line center and #1 d-man. There are maybe five that have both. Now I know a lot of teams have guys that play both and do ok. I am not talking about them. I am talking near MacKinnon-Makar level players.
- mickel25

Lots of teams do..just in Metro...Zibanejad/Fox...Hughes/Hamilton..Crosby/Letang

Lots of teams do..just in Metro...Zibanejad/Fox...Hughes/Hamilton..Crosby/Letang
- hfc355

Aho/Slavin

https://www.flyersinsider...-a-disgusting-move-221494

I am going to give Laperriere his due.

He has that team in the playoff hunt and for the most part has been sending players to the big club looking like they know what they are doing.
- MBFlyerfan

You would hope so given that 23 teams out of 32 make the AHL playoffs. I don't think the Phantoms being 5th in their division is anything special. One thing Fletcher did was stack the roster with pricey AHL vets like Marody, Brooks, Belpedio and Connauton. And the only players on ELCs to be regular Flyers this season were Cates and York. All the other good young players have been with the Phantoms most or all of the season.

Aho/Slavin
- jd250

This is kind of what I meant. I think both players are very good. I do not have them on the same level as MacKinnon-Makar.

The good ol' days when you either had Streit as #1 or Schenn as #1 D. What a disaster.
- atibus

In 14-15 Streit had 52 points (22 ES, 30 PP) in 81 games and was only -8. That's better than we have now with DeAngelo.

This is kind of what I meant. I think both players are very good. I do not have them on the same level as MacKinnon-Makar.
- mickel25

well, how many players are really on their level. centers maybe 5, d men 2-3. in the entire league.