Yea I guess we’ll see how much the cap goes up? In this environment where everyone’s strapped it might be a better idea to leave plenty of space

They could always trade the vet mid season. Or days before the deadline and make another trade with the new space acquired
- Just5

I look at more this way.

If they sign cheap vets and say they flip them at trade deadline. What realistically ya gonna get for them? 5/6 months of mentor play and a likely very low draft pick at deadline?

What can you get by having cap space and being a haven for cap strapped team at deadline ? There seems to be more and more rising asset there.

On a rebuilding team I really like the idea of buying cap at deadline next year maybe next few. Team gonna suck anyways. Just another tool to help speed the rebuild up a little

Well, they took York instead of Caufield, so there is that. Of course, I much rather would have had them draft the latter.

- Phillywhiteout

Could you imagine Caufield under Torts lol

Could you imagine Caufield under Torts lol


- Tomahawk

So you're saying he's not a 200 foot player? He doesn't play the "Flyers way"?

This kid would be buried in the AHL.

Your reply here should be on comedy central. I have never described Frost as a difference maker.

Only in your world are the metrics that have been posted concerning Frost, vague or tracked by a high school kid in his basement. Then you insinuate that others are making up a fantasy narrative.

You're the guy who said that Frost is an AHL player and you have the nerve to tell someone else that you can't make it up! You just did! You made all of that up! None of it is reality. None of it. Hope you are wrong? When have you ever been right! About anything.

Examples of what you physically see on the ice are that Frost is an AHL player. Ristolainen is the Flyers best defenseman and one of the best in the league. Charlie McAvoy isn't one of the best defenseman in the NHL. That's what you or should I say "we", whomever that entails, see physically on the ice.

- MJL

Regarding Frost, we'll see where he is playing in a few years. I still maintain that his ceiling is not a top 6 NHL forward. He clearly is not top 6 on this bad Flyers' team right now.

https://www.dailyfaceoff....-flyers/line-combinations

But somehow if your fantasy world he will be? And don't dare now say you have not said Frost is a difference maker. All you have done this season is back anyone that posts metrics of how well Frost is playing, or you yourself have posted possession metrics when he has a decent game. Let this sink in again, Frost can't even be a top 6 forward on one of the worst teams in the league! What's going to happen when Gauthier, Couts, Atkinson, and other top picks start entering the lineup? Where will Frost be then?

Regarding Frost, we'll see where he is playing in a few years. I still maintain that his ceiling is not a top 6 NHL forward. He clearly is not top 6 on this bad Flyers' team right now.

https://www.dailyfaceoff....-flyers/line-combinations

But somehow if your fantasy world he will be? And don't dare now say you have not said Frost is a difference maker. All you have done this season is back anyone that posts metrics of how well Frost is playing, or you yourself have posted possession metrics when he has a decent game. Let this sink in again, Frost can't even be a top 6 forward on one of the worst teams in the league! What's going to happen when Gauthier, Couts, Atkinson, and other top picks start entering the lineup? Where will Frost be then?
- jd250

Playing better than an AHL player. That is indisputable. Let that sink in Sybil.

As for where will Frost be then? Still in the top 9 where he belongs.

Regarding Frost, we'll see where he is playing in a few years. I still maintain that his ceiling is not a top 6 NHL forward. He clearly is not top 6 on this bad Flyers' team right now.

https://www.dailyfaceoff....-flyers/line-combinations


- jd250

It's scary to think that you believe a listing of lines and linemates determines what a player is on a team rather than usage and ice time. I know, that's another vague metric kept by some high school kid in his basement. By that listing, Wade Allison is a top 6 forward on this team? LOL

But somehow if your fantasy world he will be? And don't dare now say you have not said Frost is a difference maker. All you have done this season is back anyone that posts metrics of how well Frost is playing, or you yourself have posted possession metrics when he has a decent game. Let this sink in again, Frost can't even be a top 6 forward on one of the worst teams in the league! What's going to happen when Gauthier, Couts, Atkinson, and other top picks start entering the lineup? Where will Frost be then?
- jd250

Don't dare post that I haven't said Frost is a difference maker? What are you going to do? LOL. I have never stated, insinuated or implied that Frost is a difference maker. That's just a fact. Let this sink in. Frost is a top 6 forward on this team. You just don't know it.

Your comment of Frost can't even be a top 6 forward ranks right up there when you said Tippett wasn't a good prospect and Fletcher got fleeced in the trade for Giroux because Tippett can't stay in the Florida lineup! You never learn. LMAO

I actually didn't see the game against the Canes cause we don't have ESPN+. Jackasses at ESPN shouldn't be allowed to cover hockey. I'm labeled a Frost hater apparently even though I don't see it that way. No sense in fighting it.
- Phillywhiteout

I dont have espn plus either but i do have hulu basic through my phone provider

So you're saying he's not a 200 foot player? He doesn't play the "Flyers way"?

This kid would be buried in the AHL.
- Flyers_01

He makes Patrik Laine look like a complete player.

Anyone think that Lemieux will be re-signed? We need him plus another waiver wire stiff to play with Gautheir when he makes the team so he learns to play the right way. Don't worry though. Once he takes care of learning to play the right way, the points will come later. No need to worry about that.

Anyone think that Lemieux will be re-signed? We need him plus another waiver wire stiff to play with Gautheir when he makes the team so he learns to play the right way. Don't worry though. Once he takes care of learning to play the right way, the points will come later. No need to worry about that.
- MJL

imagine the havoc a nd-cg-bl line would create

getting it in deep
heavy on the puck
chip it off the glass
any points scored - pure luck

Could you imagine Caufield under Torts lol


- Tomahawk

He’s always hurt

I want Morgan Frost to workout but when comparing Frost vs Tippett, Tippett is currently and unquestionably the more effective player on this bad team.
- SuperSchennBros

Tippett has definitely had more "WOW" moments. Frost is playing center and there are different requirements for that. If Frost becomes a legit 2nd line center that would be great for the Flyers. But yeah right now Tippett has had a bigger impact on the team.

He’s always hurt
- SuperSchennBros

He really is.

Tippett has definitely had more "WOW" moments. Frost is playing center and there are different requirements for that. If Frost becomes a legit 2nd line center that would be great for the Flyers. But yeah right now Tippett has had a bigger impact on the team.
- mickel25

You’re 100% right that center has different requirements than wing and you definitely have me in terms of being more “Wow’d” by Tippett. Enter Noah Cates who seems to be doing more with less self talent at the center position. Keep in mind, I’m not a supporter of Cates playing center but he does play a more rounded and responsible game than Frost at the center position, which is all the more frustrating when it comes to Frost at times.

Anyone think that Lemieux will be re-signed? We need him plus another waiver wire stiff to play with Gautheir when he makes the team so he learns to play the right way. Don't worry though. Once he takes care of learning to play the right way, the points will come later. No need to worry about that.
- MJL

Oh that's right, because after all, Frost would be that "difference-maker" if Torts did hold him ... wait ... if Torts, Yeo, and AV didn't hold him back with their archaic coaching and insistence that Frost actually learn how to play pro hockey.

Fletcher is gone, Scott is retiring, the old guard is out to pasture, and you still come on here with these nonsense takes. So let me guess, before you even give him a chance to succeed, Danny Briere is just another stooge for Holmer and his cronies and nothing will change, right? Even though you are apparently getting what you asked for, a complete house cleaning? Torts and Danny are the ones that finally got Scott to realize that a rebuild needed to happen, exactly what we all knew was needed, yet that is still not good enough for you? What are you going to do when eventually the Flyers turn it around and become a good team again? I think it will happen sooner than you think ...

You’re 100% right that center has different requirements than wing and you definitely have me in terms of being more “Wow’d” by Tippett. Enter Noah Cates who seems to be doing more with less self talent at the center position. Keep in mind, I’m not a supporter of Cates playing center but he does play a more rounded and responsible game than Frost at the center position, which is all the more frustrating when it comes to Frost at times.
- SuperSchennBros

I think Cates gets a lot of credit for being a really good defensive player. He deserves it. His offensive production is not on par with Frost though.

Frost has been producing points at 2nd line center level for the last 40ish games. That's what they need from him. I am assuming that continues. Cates is not producing points at 2nd line level despite having a consistent opportunity with "skilled" players all year. Torts trusts Cates. That's why he gets the opps he gets. Frost has things to work on. Being a better offensive player than Cates is not one of them.

I think Cates gets a lot of credit for being a really good defensive player. He deserves it. His offensive production is not on par with Frost though.

Frost has been producing points at 2nd line center for the last 40ish games. That's what they need from him. I am assuming that continues. Cates is not producing points at 2nd line level despite having a consistent opportunity with "skilled" players all year. Torts trusts Cates. That's why he gets the opps he gets. Frost has things to work on. Being a better offensive player than Cates is not one of them.
- mickel25

Serious question.

Between Frost, Cates and Tippett, who is winning the overall numbers game?

Possession. Giveaways, takeaways, points, ice time on average, etc

I have never stated, insinuated or implied that Frost is a difference maker. That's just a fact. Let this sink in. Frost is a top 6 forward on this team. You just don't know it.

Your comment of Frost can't even be a top 6 forward ranks right up there when you said Tippett wasn't a good prospect and Fletcher got fleeced in the trade for Giroux because Tippett can't stay in the Florida lineup! You never learn. LMAO
- MJL

Frost can't even make the 1 PP unit of a team with the worst PP in the league!

Now, once again I need to correct you. I never stated Tippet wasn't a good prospect. All I stated was fact, that Tippet, drafted 10th overall, could not crack the Florida lineup. EVERYONE thought Fletcher got fleeced when the trade was announced. It was only after it was clarified that Giroux tied Fletcher's hands and would only accept a trade to Florida only a few days before the deadline that it was clear this was one of Fletcher's better transactions in his tenure. At the end of day, its Torts that has developed Tippet into what he has shown this season ... YES, that archaic coach you keep nonsensibly lamenting on this forum day after day.

Serious question.

Between Frost, Cates and Tippett, who is winning the overall numbers game?

Possession. Giveaways, takeaways, points, ice time on average, etc
- SuperSchennBros

Time on ice is probably Cates but Tippett has played a ton of minutes recently.

Tippett has the most points. Frost is second.

Frost probably has the most giveaways and Cates probably has the most takeaways.

imagine the havoc a nd-cg-bl line would create

getting it in deep
heavy on the puck
chip it off the glass
any points scored - pure luck
- corduroy

That's right, we don't need a waiver wire stiff. We already have a stiff in house signed to a 4 year deal.

That's right, we don't need a waiver wire stiff. We already have a stiff in house signed to a 4 year deal.
- MJL

If they could somehow move ND I would be fine with signing Lemieux.

Serious question.

Between Frost, Cates and Tippett, who is winning the overall numbers game?

Possession. Giveaways, takeaways, points, ice time on average, etc
- SuperSchennBros

Frost 48.9% 24, 31, 33, 16:00
Tippet 49.5% 20, 36, 39, 16:54
Cates 45.5% 11, 47, 29, 17:39

Frost can't even make the 1 PP unit of a team with the worst PP in the league!

Now, once again I need to correct you. I never stated Tippet wasn't a good prospect. All I stated was fact, that Tippet, drafted 10th overall, could not crack the Florida lineup. EVERYONE thought Fletcher got fleeced when the trade was announced. It was only after it was clarified that Giroux tied Fletcher's hands and would only accept a trade to Florida only a few days before the deadline that it was clear this was one of Fletcher's better transactions in his tenure. At the end of day, its Torts that has developed Tippet into what he has shown this season ... YES, that archaic coach you keep nonsensibly lamenting on this forum day after day.
- jd250

Yes, you did state that he was not a good prospect. You reinforce the same pattern here with Frost can't even make the 1 PP unit of a team with the worst PP in the league. With Tippet, it was another "can't make " post of he can't make the regular roster. You were ripping the trade.

More fantasy with EVERYONE thought Fletcher got fleeced. Just another fallacy and an appeal to the masses that doesn't exist on your part. Not confident enough to stand on your own. Nothing was clarified. EVERYONE actually told you what was going to happen for weeks when you had the fantasy that they were going to get Newhook or Lundell. Including me. Just another in a long line of situations that you got wrong.
Tortorella hasn't developed anyone. It's interesting that in your eyes when a player is playing well, Tortorella gets the creidit. When a player is playing poorly, it's all on the player and Tortorella gets no blame.

If they could somehow move ND I would be fine with signing Lemieux.
- mickel25

I wouldn't.

Frost 48.9% 24, 31, 33, 16:00
Tippet 49.5% 20, 36, 39, 16:54
Cates 45.5% 11, 47, 29, 17:39
- jd250

Vague metrics from some kid in his mom's basement.