Gotta admit a rainbow jersey with “Reimer” on the back would be pretty awesome! He probably took a lot of poop growing up with that name. Goalies are usually looked at as the least macho guys on the team too. Those kind of things can affect you into adulthood.
- Dkos

Good on his captain and teammates for coming together and deciding to go forward with the Pride Night instead of doing a team-wide copout over a single player's dissent. Love that Couture issued such a strong, supportive statement which underscored that the night is a celebration of inclusiveness in hockey.

Good on his captain and teammates for coming together and deciding to go forward with the Pride Night instead of doing a team-wide copout over a single player's dissent. Love that Couture issued such a strong, supportive statement which underscored that the night is a celebration of inclusiveness in hockey.


- Tomahawk

Agreed. Excellent response from Couture.

Good on his captain and teammates for coming together and deciding to go forward with the Pride Night instead of doing a team-wide copout over a single player's dissent. Love that Couture issued such a strong, supportive statement which underscored that the night is a celebration of inclusiveness in hockey.


- Tomahawk

How about the Rangers not coming out with the pride Jersey on for warmups ? Are they not supportive ?

While its not ideal that they have almost 15 million in dead cap space for the next two seasons after this current one, they are in still in better shape simply because they didn't sign players in their stead to many long term high dollar contracts.
- MBFlyerfan

Absolutely. Once you go into rebuild and rid players the worse thing you can do is replace with bad deals.

Also and just as importantly you can’t overpay over overvalue your players that are getting playing time (points) simply because someone’s gotta play.

Once you get top talent and contracts needed to give them you don’t want to be in position of already having paid too much to average players on roster during the rebuild period.

So who would you rather keep? Frost or Torts?
It seems the Two sides still don't agree eye to eye.

Who would you rather see on the bench next season? Torts or frost?
Explain you decision please

So who would you rather keep? Frost or Torts?
It seems the Two sides still don't agree eye to eye.

Who would you rather see on the bench next season? Torts or frost?
Explain you decision please
- Bob Habib

Frost is a talented player with a future. Tortorella is an archaic dinosaur of a coach that is basically a high paid interim coach who will need to be replaced.

So who would you rather keep? Frost or Torts?
It seems the Two sides still don't agree eye to eye.

Who would you rather see on the bench next season? Torts or frost?
Explain you decision please
- Bob Habib

Frost. Team should be in a rebuild. They coach currently doesn’t fit any timeline

So who would you rather keep? Frost or Torts?
It seems the Two sides still don't agree eye to eye.

Who would you rather see on the bench next season? Torts or frost?
Explain you decision please
- Bob Habib

Neither.

Between the NHL and the AHL since 2020, how many coaches has Frost under within this organization? Nobody is holding back Frost.

As for Torts, he has a proven track record but I’m willing to bet once things finally heading in the right direction, the organization will thank him for coming but hand him his walking paper. The choosing of favorites is ridiculous.

Whether you love or hate John Tortorella, he’s not the real issue, nor is he always wrong. “He’s always hurt”. Yeah, it’s funny in the pressers but when you put the entire picture together, we were complaining about this all last summer before Torts coached a game. If you watch Allison play, he’s always falling down. If Torts is “low key” threatening Allison’s spot on the team, why should he? The coach consults with management of which players fit and who doesn’t. If Allison gets traded and doesn’t receive another deal from the Flyers, he won’t be the first player who doesn’t get brought back because “He’s always hurt”. Wade Allison needs to learn to protect himself out there.

I both hate, and am embarrassed to say this. But yes, this loss was a gut punch. One, yes, because of he last second tie and watching Angelo get turnstiled on the OT goal. Two, and this is the part I am embarrassed of, I hate that they got the extra point. If they are going to lose I want them to lose. And fall down the standings and get a better draft pick.

I will always root for this team. But I know what needs to be done. If we are one point better at the end of the season and it costs us a draft spot.... well

I hate this is the fan I've become.
- MBFlyerfan

😂

How about the Rangers not coming out with the pride Jersey on for warmups ? Are they not supportive ?
- Angus4444

They play as a team, I guess they are not woke

Both Sanheim and Provorov are ultimately responsible for their own play. Provorov, especially on the last second goal in regulation, was guilty of simply trying to do too much. He lost positional and situational awareness. He bit into being dragged away from the net and the entire team lost back side net awareness. It's late in the season and I see the Flyers as a team, still don't have a quality attention to detail defensively in their own zone. That's a failure on the coaching staff. A head coach who preaches defense first and is known as a coach who cleans up the small areas and details of the game. It's just not present right now. Team wide.
-MJL

That's right, because Torts and Shaw always tells their defenders to get dragged into a corner battle when its 6 v 5. You who lament constantly that you hate the Flyers collapsing approach to defense in their own end and call Torts and his staff archaic because of this is now blaming Torts for Provey getting dragged into a corner battle? You can't have it both ways, though I am sure you will say that you can. Maybe in Pee Wee or even HS hockey the coaches have to remind their players how to play situational hockey, but at the NHL level if you are saying a coach has to tell an 8 year veteran defenseman how to play a 6 v 5, well then you are way out there. I told you a dozen times already, Torts has to play the team he has, and has to put up with a lot of bad play because he has a lot of mediocre players.

So who would you rather keep? Frost or Torts?
It seems the Two sides still don't agree eye to eye.

Who would you rather see on the bench next season? Torts or frost?
Explain you decision please
- Bob Habib

Both will be back. The new GM believes in Frost and isn't about to fire the head coach right now. There will be discussion but this is one where Torts will likely have to cede. They aren't going to be aggressive in the UFA market this summer.

It was telling that, twice (albeit with the caveat that anyone could be traded in the right deal) Briere as IGM has publicly acknowledged Frost among the group of young players he sees as part of the plan. On the radio this past Saturday, his was the second name that Briere mentioned -- Tippett, Frost, Cates, etc.

Frost isn't a "Torts" type of player. But there's no personal squabble. It's hard not to like Frost as a person and Tortorella himself would say that he finds Frost to be a likeable and low-maintenance person.

Provy is simply a better d man than Sanheim will ever be. But with that being said his play has plateaued over the last couple of seasons. Hopefully the Flyers move on. I’d love to see Sanheim gone, but his value based on contract and play make that move tough.
I agree as well that Hayes and Angelo probably should be moved as well. I wouldn’t call them turds, but they are just a reminder of mistakes made by Fletch. Looking at the way the lottery works the Flyers need to get into that 4th worst seed…that would be a great scenario.
I’m fine with a healthy coots and a guy like Laughton staying around. For all their faults they are both the type of pro’s you need. (Provided Coots can get on the ice)
- landros 2

I think the problem with Provey is he thinks he is an offensive juggernaut and he's not. He should focus on being a good defender and be happy with any offense he produces. We are stuck with Sanheim. I can imagine the rest of the league must have had a good laugh when the Flyers announced this extension. There is no way Sanheim can be moved unless the Flyers cover about $2M per season for the next 8 years. I don't understand how Fletcher and his staff could have wanted to lock Sanheim up before Torts had a chance to work with him. I wonder if Briere was on board with the extension. Hayes is definitely gone. With DeAngelo I am not sure. It seems Torts still like his offense. Hopefully Briere is competent as GM will get something for DeAngelo at the deadline next season. I agree about Couts and Laughton.

Neither.

Between the NHL and the AHL since 2020, how many coaches has Frost under within this organization? Nobody is holding back Frost.

As for Torts, he has a proven track record but I’m willing to bet once things finally heading in the right direction, the organization will thank him for coming but hand him his walking paper. The choosing of favorites is ridiculous.

Whether you love or hate John Tortorella, he’s not the real issue, nor is he always wrong. “He’s always hurt”. Yeah, it’s funny in the pressers but when you put the entire picture together, we were complaining about this all last summer before Torts coached a game. If you watch Allison play, he’s always falling down. If Torts is “low key” threatening Allison’s spot on the team, why should he? The coach consults with management of which players fit and who doesn’t. If Allison gets traded and doesn’t receive another deal from the Flyers, he won’t be the first player who doesn’t get brought back because “He’s always hurt”. Wade Allison needs to learn to protect himself out there.
- SuperSchennBros

Points since Dec. 7 (43 GP): Tippett 28 (14-14-28), Frost 27 (10-17-27).

Two different types of players, both needed on a team that's thin in offensive depth. Frost leads the team in assists in that 43-game span and, in fact, could and should have 8-10 more assists than that if the club had better finishers. He's always going to be more playmaker than goal scorer.

Frost is a talented player with a future. Tortorella is an archaic dinosaur of a coach that is basically a high paid interim coach who will need to be replaced.
- MJL

That's right, because Torts and Shaw always tells their defenders to get dragged into a corner battle when its 6 v 5. You who lament constantly that you hate the Flyers collapsing approach to defense in their own end and call Torts and his staff archaic because of this is now blaming Torts for Provey getting dragged into a corner battle? You can't have it both ways, though I am sure you will say that you can. Maybe in Pee Wee or even HS hockey the coaches have to remind their players how to play situational hockey, but at the NHL level if you are saying a coach has to tell an 8 year veteran defenseman how to play a 6 v 5, well then you are way out there. I told you a dozen times already, Torts has to play the team he has, and has to put up with a lot of bad play because he has a lot of mediocre players.
- jd250

You're incorrectly focusing on one play by one player. The issue has been season wide and still evident at this point of the season. There is still a lack of attention to detail in the Flyers defensive zone play. They're still losing position on the puck and in coverage all over the ice defensively. Still don't have sticks in the correct position in passing lanes. The Flyers PK is a disgrace. The comment I made about Tortorella and the coaching staff was about the team and it's attention to detail in the defensive part of the game. Which is supposed to be his forte. The hands down Jack Adams award winner according to you, has not done a good job improving the team in that area.

I think the problem with Provey is he thinks he is an offensive juggernaut and he's not. He should focus on being a good defender and be happy with any offense he produces. We are stuck with Sanheim. I can imagine the rest of the league must have had a good laugh when the Flyers announced this extension. There is no way Sanheim can be moved unless the Flyers cover about $2M per season for the next 8 years. I don't understand how Fletcher and his staff could have wanted to lock Sanheim up before Torts had a chance to work with him. I wonder if Briere was on board with the extension. Hayes is definitely gone. With DeAngelo I am not sure. It seems Torts still like his offense. Hopefully Briere is competent as GM will get something for DeAngelo at the deadline next season. I agree about Couts and Laughton.
- jd250

The problem with Provorov is that he is just not playing at the level of his capability. He is not and never has been a defensive shutdown defenseman. He can be solid defensively. He's not now. His strength offensively is jumping up into the play and filling holes for scoring attempts. He led the all NHL defenseman in goals scored one season. Tortorella has had all season to work with Sanheim. Sanheim has declined this season after having a very strong season last year.

Both will be back. The new GM believes in Frost and isn't about to fire the head coach right now. There will be discussion but this is one where Torts will likely have to cede. They aren't going to be aggressive in the UFA market this summer.

It was telling that, twice (albeit with the caveat that anyone could be traded in the right deal) Briere as IGM has publicly acknowledged Frost among the group of young players he sees as part of the plan. On the radio this past Saturday, his was the second name that Briere mentioned -- Tippett, Frost, Cates, etc.

Frost isn't a "Torts" type of player. But there's no personal squabble. It's hard not to like Frost as a person and Tortorella himself would say that he finds Frost to be a likeable and low-maintenance person.
- bmeltzer

I think if Frost skates and moves the puck like he did the other night and doesn’t make high risk plays in poor area’s him and Torts will be just fine. I like what Frost has done for the last month and a half. He needs to finish strong, have a great summer and pick up where he left off.

Points since Dec. 7 (43 GP): Tippett 28 (14-14-28), Frost 27 (10-17-27).

Two different types of players, both needed on a team that's thin in offensive depth. Frost leads the team in assists in that 43-game span and, in fact, could and should have 8-10 more assists than that if the club had better finishers. He's always going to be more playmaker than goal scorer.
- bmeltzer

I can see a potential Flyers' forward line-up in 2024 being:

TK - Couts - Tippet
Atkinson - Laughton - Farabee
Cates - Frost - Foerster
Deslauriers - Desnoyers - Allison

extras: Lycksell, Laczynski

First call-up: Bobby Brink

Which I can live with for now. This presumes the following:

1. The above players are still on the team next season
2. Hayes is traded
3. Gauthier stays at BC for one more season
4. Whomever the Flyers pick in 2023 is not ready to make the team
5. Brandon Lemieux and Bellows are not resigned

The fun will start when Gauthier and the Flyers 2023 top pick are ready the following season.

I think the problem with Provey is he thinks he is an offensive juggernaut and he's not. He should focus on being a good defender and be happy with any offense he produces. We are stuck with Sanheim. I can imagine the rest of the league must have had a good laugh when the Flyers announced this extension. There is no way Sanheim can be moved unless the Flyers cover about $2M per season for the next 8 years. I don't understand how Fletcher and his staff could have wanted to lock Sanheim up before Torts had a chance to work with him. I wonder if Briere was on board with the extension. Hayes is definitely gone. With DeAngelo I am not sure. It seems Torts still like his offense. Hopefully Briere is competent as GM will get something for DeAngelo at the deadline next season. I agree about Couts and Laughton.
- jd250

I think Provy is a solid D man who really needs a change of scenery. Sanheim’s contract is not a very good one, but if the cap takes a couple of big jumps it may not look as bad by year 3 or 4. With Sanheim it seems like a guy that you are always left wanting more. I guess we’ll see what Briere is as a GM if indeed that’s the way they go…like every guy they bring in I always hope he can do a good job and am willing to take a wait and see approach. Unlike when Fletcher arrived we are starting pretty close to rock bottom.

I can see a potential Flyers' forward line-up in 2024 being:

TK - Couts - Tippet
Atkinson - Laughton - Farabee
Cates - Frost - Foerster
Deslauriers - Desnoyers - Allison

extras: Lycksell, Laczynski

First call-up: Bobby Brink

Which I can live with for now. This presumes the following:

1. The above players are still on the team next season
2. Hayes is traded
3. Gauthier stays at BC for one more season
4. Whomever the Flyers pick in 2023 is not ready to make the team
5. Brandon Lemieux and Bellows are not resigned

The fun will start with Gauthier and the Flyers 2023 top pick are ready the following season.
- jd250

The odds of Tortorella playing Laughton at center over Cates are not good.

Went to the Phantoms game Sunday. Gruden from the penguins took out a phantom, the phantom laid on the ice while bleeding. The refs were blind to the call, pure stupidity.

No phantom challenged Gruden. No phantom went after him during the remainder of the game. Gruden even scored a goal.

The phantoms looked spineless and pathetic. Did the AHL ban fighting or is it the philosophy of the coaches to look pathetic?

You're incorrectly focusing on one play by one player. The issue has been season wide and still evident at this point of the season. There is still a lack of attention to detail in the Flyers defensive zone play. They're still losing position on the puck and in coverage all over the ice defensively. Still don't have sticks in the correct position in passing lanes. The Flyers PK is a disgrace. The comment I made about Tortorella and the coaching staff was about the team and it's attention to detail in the defensive part of the game. Which is supposed to be his forte. The hands down Jack Adams award winner according to you, has not done a good job improving the team in that area.
- MJL

Torts and his staff have put an emphasis on being on the right side of the puck, being effective with the stick and covering the slot area all season long. Torts has mentioned it over a dozen times at least in his pressers throughout the year. Yet this team constantly makes mistakes. Provey at the end of the Carolina game, or Hayes skating by his own post on the first goal against Buffalo. Its not the coaches that lack attention to detail, its the players. At this stage in a player's career, if they don't instinctually know how to defend, IMO they never will. I can see if the players had to learn a new neutral zone scheme or a defensive overload, but Torts IMO has a very basic defensive zone coverage scheme, one that is designed to cover the slot area and limit high danger chances and this team just can't do it. Basically these same players could not execute AV's more aggressive overload system, and they can't seem to consistently execute a much more simple slot coverage system, in fact one that I learned in Pee Wee.

The odds of Tortorella playing Laughton at center over Cates are not good.
- MJL

I thought about that but I went with Laughton because he is I believe the Flyer's top faceoff center this season. Cates is having a good rookie season but until he improves his faceoffs I think Laughton has to play center. The Flyers are getting killed possession-wise because they can't win a face-off, especially on the PP.

Torts and his staff have put an emphasis on being on the right side of the puck, being effective with the stick and covering the slot area all season long. Torts has mentioned it over a dozen times at least in his pressers throughout the year. Yet this team constantly makes mistakes. Provey at the end of the Carolina game, or Hayes skating by his own post on the first goal against Buffalo. Its not the coaches that lack attention to detail, its the players. At this stage in a player's career, if they don't instinctually know how to defend, IMO they never will. I can see if the players had to learn a new neutral zone scheme or a defensive overload, but Torts IMO has a very basic defensive zone coverage scheme, one that is designed to cover the slot area and limit high danger chances and this team just can't do it. Basically these same players would not execute AV's more aggressive overload system, and they can't see to consistently execute a much more simple slot coverage system, in fact one that I learned in Pee Wee.
- jd250

A coach's job is to improve the teams play. Tortorella overall has done a very ordinary job this year. An improvement over Yeo but that wasn't a high hurdle. Again, you place far too much weight on spoken word in a press conference over performance on the ice. The team has played 69 games. Their GA/GP is 22nd in the league. Their other defensive metrics are poor. The coach is responsible for correcting the teams' issues. You can't have it both ways. You constantly want to praise Tortorella for players improving and give him credit. Then say it's not the coach's fault when the team doesn't do something well.

I see you've been paying attention to what I have taught you about hockey systems. That's a step in the right direction.