Are you really surprised?
- Fakepartofme

Almost as funny as the notion that somebody “proved” something here. Monkey used stats of past performance to support his view on how Knies might perform for the Leafs. It’s a good point but hardly proof.

Morbidly obese?
- Atomic Wedgie

Festively plump

Your fun math for today:

The race for #2 seed:

The Leafs are currently playing at a 67% clip.

The Bolts are currently playing at a 63% clip.

If the Leafs play 50% over their remaining 13 games, the Bolts have to go 8-3 (73%) to catch them.

Only Boston is playing at that pace or above (frank you, RJ).

The magic number is 20: any combination of points earned by the Leafs and points lost by the Bolts adding up to 20 secures 1st round home ice advantage for the Leafs.

The race to make the playoffs:

Florida is the team closest to catching the Leafs for the third spot in the Atlantic.

The magic number is 11: any combination of points earned by the Leafs and points lost by the Panthers adding up to 11 secures a spot for the Leafs.

For Buffalo, the magic number is 6.

For Ottawa, the magic number is 5.

For Detroit, the magic number is 5.

Montreal can't catch us.

****Note: for all these calculations, I'm assuming that the Leafs lose any tie-breaker.

Your fun math for today:

The race for #2 seed:

The Leafs are currently playing at a 67% clip.

The Bolts are currently playing at a 63% clip.

If the Leafs play 50% over their remaining 13 games, the Bolts have to go 8-3 (73%) to catch them.

Only Boston is playing at that pace or above (frank you, RJ).

The race to make the playoffs:

Florida is the team closest to catching the Leafs for the third spot in the Atlantic.

The magic number is 11: any combination of points earned by the Leafs and points lost by the Panthers adding up to 11 secures a spot for the Leafs.

For Buffalo, the magic number is 6.

For Ottawa, the magic number is 5.

For Detroit, the magic number is 5.

Montreal can't catch us.
- Atomic Wedgie

Math on a monday morning?
Gross
But thanks for the overview.
What are the odds i exercise today and get some work done....at work?

Sens fans claiming the leafs "got owned" which equates to being wrecked in the playoffs.

I suppose that means Boston is done for in the playoffs after losing to Chicago the other night.
- Aaron_85

Go take another binnignton style temper tantrum

Haven’t been on here for a few days, I have no clue what you are talking about

If this site wasn’t so bad for deleting things I’d change for which post this was a response to.(the Knies one) Because I actually agree with this post.

Your fun math for today:

The race for #2 seed:

The Leafs are currently playing at a 67% clip.

The Bolts are currently playing at a 63% clip.

If the Leafs play 50% over their remaining 13 games, the Bolts have to go 8-3 (73%) to catch them.

Only Boston is playing at that pace or above (frank you, RJ).

The magic number is 20: any combination of points earned by the Leafs and points lost by the Bolts adding up to 20 secures 1st round home ice advantage for the Leafs.

The race to make the playoffs:

Florida is the team closest to catching the Leafs for the third spot in the Atlantic.

The magic number is 11: any combination of points earned by the Leafs and points lost by the Panthers adding up to 11 secures a spot for the Leafs.

For Buffalo, the magic number is 6.

For Ottawa, the magic number is 5.

For Detroit, the magic number is 5.

Montreal can't catch us.

****Note: for all these calculations, I'm assuming that the Leafs lose any tie-breaker.
- Atomic Wedgie

Habs are doing their best to catch Anaheim and hoping Philty stays ahead

Almost as funny as the notion that somebody “proved” something here. Monkey used stats of past performance to support his view on how Knies might perform for the Leafs. It’s a good point but hardly proof.
- Canada Cup

I feel that there's weird black & white statement on Knies, so I just need to clarify.

What I am saying is that it would be wonderful if he was in that elite tier of 5% or less of NCAA graduates who showed up and immediately made a noticeable contribution - but that the odds simply do not favour that happening immediately.

In my opinion, I wouldn't even count on Knies being even as good as McMann - he's 20 years old and hasn't even played a day in the AHL. He doesn't know what this level of hockey is - he played in the Olympic Games last year against players who weren't even AHL calibre and wasn't overly noticeable.

None of this is crapping on Knies potential or the player he will be - it is merely setting the realistic stage that he most likely will require time to catch up and adapt to this level of hockey. And there's nothing wrong with that.

But there is no right or wrong here.

I feel that there's weird black & white statement on Knies, so I just need to clarify.

What I am saying is that it would be wonderful if he was in that elite tier of 5% or less of NCAA graduates who showed up and immediately made a noticeable contribution - but that the odds simply do not favour that happening immediately.

In my opinion, I wouldn't even count on Knies being even as good as McMann - he's 20 years old and hasn't even played a day in the AHL. He doesn't know what this level of hockey is - he played in the Olympic Games last year against players who weren't even AHL calibre and wasn't overly noticeable.

None of this is crapping on Knies potential or the player he will be - it is merely setting the realistic stage that he most likely will require time to catch up and adapt to this level of hockey. And there's nothing wrong with that.

But there is no right or wrong here.
- Monkeypunk

Not putting unrealistic expectations on a 20yrs kid....pffft....who does that!

I feel that there's weird black & white statement on Knies, so I just need to clarify.

What I am saying is that it would be wonderful if he was in that elite tier of 5% or less of NCAA graduates who showed up and immediately made a noticeable contribution - but that the odds simply do not favour that happening immediately.

In my opinion, I wouldn't even count on Knies being even as good as McMann - he's 20 years old and hasn't even played a day in the AHL. He doesn't know what this level of hockey is - he played in the Olympic Games last year against players who weren't even AHL calibre and wasn't overly noticeable.

None of this is crapping on Knies potential or the player he will be - it is merely setting the realistic stage that he most likely will require time to catch up and adapt to this level of hockey. And there's nothing wrong with that.

But there is no right or wrong here.
- Monkeypunk

I'm in agreement. During the trade deadline, the fanboys were making him sound like the second coming of Rick Vaive. Sure, he's doing very well against his college opponents, skating with a couple of really good high end draft picks, but it's not the same pro style of game. He may very well become a great second line winger, but he needs the time to develop. It was a couple of years back, when we talking about a certain Peterborough Pete that was a second rounder of ours, that was a top scorer in Junior. Where is he now? Injured and his future in doubt. Robertson was our Knies in 2021. Patience is needed here.

I'm in agreement. During the trade deadline, the fanboys were making him sound like the second coming of Rick Vaive. Sure, he's doing very well against his college opponents, skating with a couple of really good high end draft picks, but it's not the same pro style of game. He may very well become a great second line winger, but he needs the time to develop. It was a couple of year back, when we talking about a certain Peterborough Pete that was a second rounder of ours, that was a top scorer in Junior. Where is he now? Injured and his future in doubt. Robertson was our Knies in 2021. Patience is needed here.
- PrinceLH

Admittedly the difference between Knies and Robertson starts at 5 inches and 30 pounds - which does help with dealing with the professional level . . . . but yeah.

I feel that there's weird black & white statement on Knies, so I just need to clarify.

What I am saying is that it would be wonderful if he was in that elite tier of 5% or less of NCAA graduates who showed up and immediately made a noticeable contribution - but that the odds simply do not favour that happening immediately.

In my opinion, I wouldn't even count on Knies being even as good as McMann - he's 20 years old and hasn't even played a day in the AHL. He doesn't know what this level of hockey is - he played in the Olympic Games last year against players who weren't even AHL calibre and wasn't overly noticeable.

None of this is crapping on Knies potential or the player he will be - it is merely setting the realistic stage that he most likely will require time to catch up and adapt to this level of hockey. And there's nothing wrong with that.

But there is no right or wrong here.
- Monkeypunk

I agree. He has said his biggest issue is his first step in skating an issue that would compound the challenges of essentially learning the NHL game in a playoff setting against a team like TBL. My guess is that the debate within Leafs management is whether he can used in protected situations and whether he brings more than someone like ZAR.

I doubt anyone is looking for him to star but rather make a positive contribution.

I agree. He has said his biggest issue is his first step in skating an issue that would compound the challenges of essentially learning the NHL game in a playoff setting against a team like TBL. My guess is that the debate within Leafs management is whether he can used in protected situations and whether he brings more than someone like ZAR.

I doubt anyone is looking for him to star but rather make a positive contribution.
- Canada Cup

The Leafs have pushed all their chips to the middle of the table.

I highly doubt they will trust a kid with zero NHL experience.

The Leafs have absolutely no room for error.

Fun additional factor:

I didn't know this, but the Marlies are atop their division.

It gives the Leafs a chance to see how he does against pros.

Fun additional factor:

I didn't know this, but the Marlies are atop their division.

It gives the Leafs a chance to see how he does against pros.
- Atomic Wedgie

This was my line of thinking as well, let him play of the Marlies for their run.
If blows the doors off, bring it up, otherwise leave him there

I looked at the Sens blog....just WOW

I totally understand loving your players and all, but people are actually even trying to defend BT over AM is absolutely absurd.

Hart winner, and top 3-5 player in the league vs top 30 player....its bonkers.

Having what I would consider a bad year for AM, and he is 1 point less then BT in 7 less games....

Your fun math for today:

The race for #2 seed:

The Leafs are currently playing at a 67% clip.

The Bolts are currently playing at a 63% clip.

If the Leafs play 50% over their remaining 13 games, the Bolts have to go 8-3 (73%) to catch them.

Only Boston is playing at that pace or above (frank you, RJ).

The magic number is 20: any combination of points earned by the Leafs and points lost by the Bolts adding up to 20 secures 1st round home ice advantage for the Leafs.

The race to make the playoffs:

Florida is the team closest to catching the Leafs for the third spot in the Atlantic.

The magic number is 11: any combination of points earned by the Leafs and points lost by the Panthers adding up to 11 secures a spot for the Leafs.

For Buffalo, the magic number is 6.

For Ottawa, the magic number is 5.

For Detroit, the magic number is 5.

Montreal can't catch us.

****Note: for all these calculations, I'm assuming that the Leafs lose any tie-breaker.
- Atomic Wedgie

We've pretty much known since November that it was going to be Tampa v. Toronto again in the first round of the playoffs..

The NHL has the worst playoff format.

I looked at the Sens blog....just WOW

I totally understand loving your players and all, but people are actually even trying to defend BT over AM is absolutely absurd.

Hart winner, and top 3-5 player in the league vs top 30 player....its bonkers.

Having what I would consider a bad year for AM, and he is 1 point less then BT in 7 less games....
- Archaic

the Sens did just win the March Stanley cup by narrowly losing to the Leafs

lots to celebrate

I agree. He has said his biggest issue is his first step in skating an issue that would compound the challenges of essentially learning the NHL game in a playoff setting against a team like TBL. My guess is that the debate within Leafs management is whether he can used in protected situations and whether he brings more than someone like ZAR.

I doubt anyone is looking for him to star but rather make a positive contribution.
- Canada Cup

Agree. The Leafs made a borderline NHL player in Galchenyuk work(as best as it could) on the top line in playoffs.

For Knies its just if he can come in and fill a role and do well.

Also we are kidding ourselves if we think the Leafs will be healthy if they go deep. They will likely need one or two of Knies, Holmberg, McMann to fill in eventually regardless.

I looked at the Sens blog....just WOW

I totally understand loving your players and all, but people are actually even trying to defend BT over AM is absolutely absurd.

Hart winner, and top 3-5 player in the league vs top 30 player....its bonkers.

Having what I would consider a bad year for AM, and he is 1 point less then BT in 7 less games....
- Archaic

Total denial gongshow in there.

The best is the ones saying they would rather have BT and Apple Strudle over Marner and Matthews because "one day soon" BT and Apple Strudle will lead the Sens to playoff glory and the Sens players make so much less than the Leafs stars.

Followed up with the assertion Matthews next contract will be 14M+ or he will be gone when his contract is up and that BT is a unicorn and/or a much better 'locker room leader' than Marner or Matthews.

So much insight into who does/says what in the locker room and ability to see into the future it's incredible! I mean the unicorn BT has led the Sens to so much success thus far right? The acquisition of Giroux wasn't because they needed a leader right?

They are chirping Leafs fans for the old "next year" but in the next breath saying "next year or the year after" about the Sens.

It's pretty entertaining to say the least. lol

Maybe Deadpool will be the leader & saviour they really need?

the Sens did just win the March Stanley cup by narrowly losing to the Leafs

lots to celebrate
- senstroll

I heard the banner will be hung next year in the Crappy Tire arena. They will have Sens great Alexander Daigle in the house to do the honors of raising it up.

I looked at the Sens blog....just WOW

I totally understand loving your players and all, but people are actually even trying to defend BT over AM is absolutely absurd.

Hart winner, and top 3-5 player in the league vs top 30 player....its bonkers.

Having what I would consider a bad year for AM, and he is 1 point less then BT in 7 less games....
- Archaic

Sens fans desperately need something to make them feel better

Total denial gongshow in there.

The best is the ones saying they would rather have BT and Apple Strudle over Marner and Matthews because "one day soon" BT and Apple Strudle will lead the Sens to playoff glory and the Sens players make so much less than the Leafs stars.

Followed up with the assertion Matthews next contract will be 14M+ or he will be gone when his contract is up and that BT is a unicorn and/or a much better 'locker room leader' than Marner or Matthews.

So much insight into who does/says what in the locker room and ability to see into the future it's incredible! I mean the unicorn BT has led the Sens to so much success thus far right? The acquisition of Giroux wasn't because they needed a leader right?

They are chirping Leafs fans for the old "next year" but in the next breath saying "next year or the year after" about the Sens.

It's pretty entertaining to say the least. lol

Maybe Deadpool will be the leader & saviour they really need?
- Cush29

It sounds crazy

BUT

Tkachuk and Stutzle leading the sens to a first round victory before Matthews and Marner would be extremely Leafy, my damaged psyche can't count it out

Agree. The Leafs made a borderline NHL player in Galchenyuk work(as best as it could) on the top line in playoffs.

For Knies its just if he can come in and fill a role and do well.

Also we are kidding ourselves if we think the Leafs will be healthy if they go deep. They will likely need one or two of Knies, Holmberg, McMann to fill in eventually regardless.
- Santo_44

Perhaps this is argumentative, but I never thought of Galchenyuk as that much of a success. I remember that he made one really good pass. He was defensively questionable at the best of times and on a line with John Tavares and William Nylander, who were - at that time in particular - also defensively questionable, he didn't help. In fact both JT and WN were +9, but he played with them and was -1. In the playoffs despite being +1, he had a team worst xGF% of 37.8%. The only other forward who played regularly who was below 50% was Thornton at 49.7%.


Now ignoring that particular quibble - just because I thought we really overrated Galchenyuk - you're right. We will need some extra bodies to fill in as players get banged up in the playoffs. Especially if we finally get over the 1st round hurdle. A big body like Knies would be nice if he can keep up and not be detrimental to the team. Certainly McMann has deserved to be the first call-up with his play both here and in the AHL. Holmberg, despite one bad game after his call-up, was pretty proven prior to that game. After that you're probably juggling risk with role between Steeves, Knies, Simmonds, Abruzzese, SDA or Clifford - but if you're into Abruzzese, SDA or Clifford the 11/7 option suddenly isn't looking too shabby.

Perhaps this is argumentative, but I never thought of Galchenyuk as that much of a success. I remember that he made one really good pass. He was defensively questionable at the best of times and on a line with John Tavares and William Nylander, who were - at that time in particular - also defensively questionable, he didn't help. In fact both JT and WN were +9, but he played with them and was -1. In the playoffs despite being +1, he had a team worst xGF% of 37.8%. The only other forward who played regularly who was below 50% was Thornton at 49.7%.


Now ignoring that particular quibble - just because I thought we really overrated Galchenyuk - you're right. We will need some extra bodies to fill in as players get banged up in the playoffs. Especially if we finally get over the 1st round hurdle. A big body like Knies would be nice if he can keep up and not be detrimental to the team. Certainly McMann has deserved to be the first call-up with his play both here and in the AHL. Holmberg, despite one bad game after his call-up, was pretty proven prior to that game. After that you're probably juggling risk with role between Steeves, Knies, Simmonds, Abruzzese, SDA or Clifford - but if you're into Abruzzese, SDA or Clifford the 11/7 option suddenly isn't looking too shabby.
- Monkeypunk

If they get to the SDA or Clifford option, things are going very wrong and everyone is injured.. Maybe at that time, they will try 6 forwards and 10 d-men

Perhaps this is argumentative, but I never thought of Galchenyuk as that much of a success. I remember that he made one really good pass. He was defensively questionable at the best of times and on a line with John Tavares and William Nylander, who were - at that time in particular - also defensively questionable, he didn't help. In fact both JT and WN were +9, but he played with them and was -1. In the playoffs despite being +1, he had a team worst xGF% of 37.8%. The only other forward who played regularly who was below 50% was Thornton at 49.7%.


Now ignoring that particular quibble - just because I thought we really overrated Galchenyuk - you're right. We will need some extra bodies to fill in as players get banged up in the playoffs. Especially if we finally get over the 1st round hurdle. A big body like Knies would be nice if he can keep up and not be detrimental to the team. Certainly McMann has deserved to be the first call-up with his play both here and in the AHL. Holmberg, despite one bad game after his call-up, was pretty proven prior to that game. After that you're probably juggling risk with role between Steeves, Knies, Simmonds, Abruzzese, SDA or Clifford - but if you're into Abruzzese, SDA or Clifford the 11/7 option suddenly isn't looking too shabby.
- Monkeypunk

That Leaf team on paper was a shell of what it is today.

Galchenyuk did what he could, the one game he was pretty big for the win. He was a below average player that somehow worked not disastrously on the top line which I will take.

Given the unwillingness to add another LW I think Dubas and Keefe want to give Knies every chance to prove he can play in the lineup.

McMann is a warm body who I don't think would do terrible in playoffs.

Holmberg will be nice next year but not sure his positioning and IQ alone will get him by in the playoffs, this season anyways. He needs to develop more skills.

But another C doesnt hurt.