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Aaron_85
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 04.22.2014

Mar 19 @ 9:29 PM ET
Sarcasm! Lol
Matthews and Marner is and are great players
Everyone knows that with any sense of hockey IQ
But that doesn’t change the fact that Sens Fans would keep Tkachuk over them 2 in a heartbeat
Just like Leaf fans wouldn’t trade either one of Matthews or Marner
It’s just how it is man 🤙 good luck in playoffs hope this is the year leafs breaks the curse 😏

- sens4life1971


Well it depends. Would I trade Matthews and Marner? yes if there was a better player to trade for. Matthews is difficult to me because he's a center. Marner is more tradeable. Would I move him for Kucherov or Pasta? There's a solid chance of that.
SensFan25
Ottawa Senators
Location: ON
Joined: 08.24.2006

Mar 19 @ 9:42 PM ET
What’s Tkachuk’s PPG in the playoffs?

Being the league’s ugliest player is worth something tho, in fairness to Brady

- AxlRose91


How many times have the Leafs choked in the playoffs with Matthews and Marner?

So you're a cheesy moustache guy. Good for you.
Aaron_85
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 04.22.2014

Mar 19 @ 9:59 PM ET
How many times have the Leafs choked in the playoffs with Matthews and Marner?

So you're a cheesy moustache guy. Good for you.

- SensFan25


How many times has Tkachuk got the sens to the playoffs?
AlfieisKing
Ottawa Senators
Location: Canada, ON
Joined: 11.05.2007

Mar 19 @ 10:04 PM ET
What’s Tkachuk’s PPG in the playoffs?

Being the league’s ugliest player is worth something tho, in fairness to Brady

- AxlRose91

Without question, the Sens are building a team BUILT for the playoffs. Marner and Matthews are fairy dancers that will fade in round 1
sens4life1971
Ottawa Senators
Location: smiths falls, ON
Joined: 02.16.2014

Mar 19 @ 10:23 PM ET
Well it depends. Would I trade Matthews and Marner? yes if there was a better player to trade for. Matthews is difficult to me because he's a center. Marner is more tradeable. Would I move him for Kucherov or Pasta? There's a solid chance of that.
- Aaron_85

Well that’s your opinion which you’re allowed but I still wouldn’t give you Tkachuk for either of them 😂😂
SensFan25
Ottawa Senators
Location: ON
Joined: 08.24.2006

Mar 19 @ 10:26 PM ET
How many times has Tkachuk got the sens to the playoffs?
- Aaron_85

How many game 7 GWGs have Matthews and Marner scored?

Tkachuk’s time is coming. Hopefully we can win a round!

sens4life1971
Ottawa Senators
Location: smiths falls, ON
Joined: 02.16.2014

Mar 19 @ 10:30 PM ET
How many game 7 GWGs have Matthews and Marner scored?

Tkachuk’s time is coming. Hopefully we can win a round!

- SensFan25

Lol we will stick with Tkachuk and Stutzle
They can have Matthews and Marner lmao
SensFan25
Ottawa Senators
Location: ON
Joined: 08.24.2006

Mar 19 @ 10:32 PM ET
Thanks for the blog Gord Wilson. In terms of the ownership, my money is on Remington and Ryan Reynolds. It would be a great combo and Reynolds has a great track record of success - Aviation Gin, Mint and Wrexham FC. That's on top of the movie career.
AlfieisKing
Ottawa Senators
Location: Canada, ON
Joined: 11.05.2007

Mar 20 @ 12:17 AM ET
Lol we will stick with Tkachuk and Stutzle
They can have Matthews and Marner lmao

- sens4life1971

Don't know how long they'll have Matthews and Marner - and if they do, the $ will be around $25M combined !
Rang
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 08.21.2006

Mar 20 @ 7:26 AM ET
Lol we will stick with Tkachuk and Stutzle
They can have Matthews and Marner lmao

- sens4life1971


Because they have led you to the playoffs?
Whatisavailable
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 08.20.2021

Mar 20 @ 7:34 AM ET
Because they have led you to the playoffs?
- Rang

Not quite yet but they will soon enough and when they do they will understand that the idea is to get past the first round.
AxlRose91
Joined: 09.24.2013

Mar 20 @ 8:49 AM ET
Not quite yet but they will soon enough and when they do they will understand that the idea is to get past the first round.
- Whatisavailable


“Soon enough”, lol

Wasn’t this supposed to be the year?
Fakepartofme
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Living rent free... in your head, ON
Joined: 09.20.2010

Mar 20 @ 8:52 AM ET
B.Tkachuk > A. Mathews, i couldn't care less what awards or points say.
- spazzbot

Omg bahaha.
Or anyone in the hockey world?
The earth is flat as well, right?
Fakepartofme
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Living rent free... in your head, ON
Joined: 09.20.2010

Mar 20 @ 8:55 AM ET
Tkachuk - $8.2M for 5 years after this one
Marner - $10.9M for 2 years after this one +$2.7M ; 0.846 PPG in playoffs
Matthews - $11.6M for 1 year after this one +$3.4M ; 0.846 PPG in playoffs

Leafs 0 for 6 in the last 6 playoffs series. Both Marner and Matthews are elite regular season players. Both are exceptional talents. I'm still taking Tkachuk with his contract over either Leafs player.

- SensFan25

Which is all good, elite players cost alot. Good players are cheaper.
Hows Tkachuk been in the playoffs?

But honestly, the sens are coming together, i say they make a good run at the playoffs next season for sure.
Fakepartofme
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Living rent free... in your head, ON
Joined: 09.20.2010

Mar 20 @ 8:56 AM ET
Well it depends. Would I trade Matthews and Marner? yes if there was a better player to trade for. Matthews is difficult to me because he's a center. Marner is more tradeable. Would I move him for Kucherov or Pasta? There's a solid chance of that.
- Aaron_85

Not sure id move him for pasta. But drysaddle i believe I would
Whatisavailable
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 08.20.2021

Mar 20 @ 9:00 AM ET
You've got to give it to the ability of Leafs fans to wallow in a delusion. You'd think they'd won the Cup every year for the last 50 years the way they swagger.
Gord_Wilson_2.0
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 10.11.2011

Mar 20 @ 9:14 AM ET
Solid banter. After years of the Battle of Ontario being more forced discussion than anything, we aren’t far away from truly meaningful games happening again between these two clubs and it is nice to see. Bias aside, the Sens have some attractive contracts compared to the Leafs. Whether or not that will mean anything down the line, remains to be seen. It will be interesting how the goaltending situation plays out for the Leafs in the first round. Of the 8 teams currently in playoff positioning, it could be argued that Toronto has the most questionable (maybe Jersey) goaltending. It would certainly make me nervous.

With that said, yes. The Senators goaltending situation is currently a much bigger project.
Bartacus
Ottawa Senators
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 01.08.2019

Mar 20 @ 10:44 AM ET
oh okay...I guess a 60 goal center, who plays 200 foot hockey isn't worth a winger outside the top 20 in scoring.
- Aaron_85


Arguably not when the winger is making 8.25 for the next 6 seasons versus the centre who will hamstring the team's cap by earning 14+ a year on his next deal. Add the uncertainty that AM walked to UFA and holds all the cards whether or not he stays. Plus vis a vis locker room presence you've got a skilled emotional firecracker versus a highly skilled mannequin. Skill wise, player for player, there's a case to be made. Character and contract is a different story - I'll take the man child
.HOHO.
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Its better to let people think you're an idiot, than to open your mouth and confirm their suspicions, NS
Joined: 07.05.2010

Mar 20 @ 11:34 AM ET
Holy (frank)…. What the actual (frank) is going on in here?

Full on window licking.

Matthews is WAY BETTER, and it’s not even close.

david22
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 04.15.2008

Mar 20 @ 11:37 AM ET
Solid banter. After years of the Battle of Ontario being more forced discussion than anything, we aren’t far away from truly meaningful games happening again between these two clubs and it is nice to see. Bias aside, the Sens have some attractive contracts compared to the Leafs. Whether or not that will mean anything down the line, remains to be seen. It will be interesting how the goaltending situation plays out for the Leafs in the first round. Of the 8 teams currently in playoff positioning, it could be argued that Toronto has the most questionable (maybe Jersey) goaltending. It would certainly make me nervous.

With that said, yes. The Senators goaltending situation is currently a much bigger project.

- Gord_Wilson_2.0


david22
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 04.15.2008

Mar 20 @ 11:41 AM ET
Which is all good, elite players cost alot. Good players are cheaper.
Hows Tkachuk been in the playoffs?

But honestly, the sens are coming together, i say they make a good run at the playoffs next season for sure.

- Fakepartofme


On par with Matthews, from a pure results standpoint.

But I agree with your next point. There appears to be some teams dropping, Penguins, Capitals, as tends to happen. The Sens need to be good enough to sieze the opportunity though, ahead of the Sabres, Wings.

Goaltending is the big question mark.
shack67
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: NS
Joined: 07.05.2015

Mar 20 @ 11:58 AM ET
Holy (frank)…. What the actual (frank) is going on in here?

Full on window licking.

Matthews is WAY BETTER, and it’s not even close.


- .HOHO.

I’m guessing that these guys are 12 year olds. At least I hope so.
Aetherial
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Has anyone discussed the standings today?
Joined: 06.30.2006

Mar 20 @ 12:22 PM ET
Solid banter. After years of the Battle of Ontario being more forced discussion than anything, we aren’t far away from truly meaningful games happening again between these two clubs and it is nice to see. Bias aside, the Sens have some attractive contracts compared to the Leafs. Whether or not that will mean anything down the line, remains to be seen. It will be interesting how the goaltending situation plays out for the Leafs in the first round. Of the 8 teams currently in playoff positioning, it could be argued that Toronto has the most questionable (maybe Jersey) goaltending. It would certainly make me nervous.

With that said, yes. The Senators goaltending situation is currently a much bigger project.

- Gord_Wilson_2.0


Goaltending is a concern, always.

Of greater concern is whether or not Matthews, Marner, Nylander and Tavares can translate their games to the playoffs, finally.

.HOHO.
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Its better to let people think you're an idiot, than to open your mouth and confirm their suspicions, NS
Joined: 07.05.2010

Mar 20 @ 12:25 PM ET
I’m guessing that these guys are 12 year olds. At least I hope so.
- shack67


I guess mom better reload the windex!
Gord_Wilson_2.0
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 10.11.2011

Mar 20 @ 12:26 PM ET
I am not sure how the focus got on Matthews vs Tkachuk as they play different brands of hockey, but I’ll take a stab.

Matthews has had the better career. No doubt. Not much of an argument can be made. With that said, based on this year, it’s interesting.
Matthews
G:32
A:38
PPP:23
SOG:263
HIT:72
BLK:84
+/=:+31

Tkachuk
G:30
A:41
PPP:25
SOG:285
HIT:201
BLK:9
+/- :-11

From a traditional stats standpoint, Tkachuk leads 4 of the 7 categories this season. Mind you, Matthews has 7 less games played so it’s entirely conceivable that Matthews would take every category minus hits, but it would still be close.

Matthews is making 11.6 mill per and is up for contract in 2024. Brady will be making 8.2 until 2028. It’s not inconceivable for Matthews to demand over 12-13 mill per in a years’ time. That’s essentially the sum of the Tkachuk and Batherson deals combined.

Matthews is an elite goal scorer. He will likely put up more 60 goal years in his career. His shooting percentage is 3 points down from his career average, which is significant for a goal scorer. Sens fans just have to look at Debrincat for that.

Brady has a physical element to his game that Matthews doesn’t have but doesn’t have the finishing ability that Matthews has. If I had to pick one guy to build around without any other contract considerations, it’s likely Matthews. However, it is not by as much as one might initially think. When you take contract situations into account, things could certainly be different. I am quite happy to not have to encounter Matthew’s contract negotiations for a team that is already right up to the cap ceiling.
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