See, that's the difference between me & you. I can live with the Rangers giving up a few picks for Patrick Kane, because I know what he can bring to a team. Both on the ice and mentally for the younger guys. Something you likely know nothing about because it's abundantly obvious your hockey knowledge is minimal. There are no rose color glasses here. Is Kane a defensive stalwart? Absolutely not. Is he as big of a liability as you are making him out to be? Absolutely not.

Oh, and if they win the cup, I'll be over the fukkin moon, not just living with it.
- NYR11

He’d rather have given up 5 picks for Jeannot

See, that's the difference between me & you. I can live with the Rangers giving up a few picks for Patrick Kane, because I know what he can bring to a team. Both on the ice and mentally for the younger guys. Something you likely know nothing about because it's abundantly obvious your hockey knowledge is minimal. There are no rose color glasses here. Is Kane a defensive stalwart? Absolutely not. Is he as big of a liability as you are making him out to be? Absolutely not.

Oh, and if they win the cup, I'll be over the fukkin moon, not just living with it.
- NYR11

My hockey knowledge says a bunch of finesse guys that avoid contact don’t win cups. We’ll see who’s right

I know I'm a clown. I'm not the one here complaining on the day. Data shows Kane was more net positive then a net negative on the night. You need to pick a lane a stick to it.
- tomburton99

Jump now why are you waiting?

My hockey knowledge says a bunch of finesse guys that avoid contact don’t win cups. We’ll see who’s right
- nyrangers9479

Dude jump now. Don’t wait!!

He’d rather have given up 5 picks for Jeannot
- Slimtj100

Or just a 2nd for Neiderreiter

My hockey knowledge says a bunch of finesse guys that avoid contact don’t win cups. We’ll see who’s right
- nyrangers9479

I mean I wish that logic was true for Kane. But it's not. He's been a part of 3. Winning a Conn Smythe in one and scoring the GWG in another.

You can not like him, but you need to better with writing as to why. Just stick to he's garbage defensively.

Watch me, I'll show you.

Dude jump now. Don’t wait!!
- Slimtj100

So not thinking Kane was the right fit for this team means I’m not a Rangers fan and I don’t want them to win?

Jump now why are you waiting?
- Slimtj100

Then I'd miss you spatting with 9479. Gotta get my laughs in for the day.

Or just a 2nd for Neiderreiter
- nyrangers9479

🙄

GO. ROOT. FOR. WINNIPEG. WE. DONT. WANT. YOU.

Then I'd miss you spatting with 9479. Gotta get my laughs in for the day.
- tomburton99

How’s Fil doin?

How’s Fil doin?
- Slimtj100

Badly. See the data on page 5.

🙄

GO. ROOT. FOR. WINNIPEG. WE. DONT. WANT. YOU.
- Slimtj100

😂 just like ur brother when I said last year that Jack Hughes was going to be a star in this league and I wish Laf looked like him, suddenly I became a devils fan bc I said Jack Hughes was a good player 😂 🤡

😂 just like ur brother when I said last year that Jack Hughes was going to be a star in this league and I wish Laf looked like him, suddenly I became a devils fan bc I said Jack Hughes was a good player 😂 🤡
- nyrangers9479

Wow you said Jack Hughes was good?? Along with about a billion other people. Congrats!!

Badly. See the data on page 5.
- tomburton99

Goalless in 16. Need more 🤷🏻‍♂️

Let's break it down and not be lazy about it. Skip this post if you want as I'm about to go into Saver territory.

First goal against was created out of the opposite corner of Kane. Trocheck left 2 players in front of the net with Schneider to engage a player who was being pursued by Harper and posed minimal danger in the corner if any. He got caught and the goal was scored.

Kane's Primary responsibility there is to have a proper gap against the attacking defensemen on the point (who was actually a forward when a pinch was made earlier) and not let him come in back door or leave him entirely wide open for a shot from the point. Secondarily he should be slumping down to help should the center vacate because the attacking players in the slot are more dangerous, this is where he gets caught a little in between. Kane could have left his man and engaged the shooter more directly but that would have left Dowd completely open at the point. All of this is precipitated by Trocheck being a bit too aggressive and failing to pick off the pass. In the end, the shot came from an uncovered forward which was not Kane's primary defensive assignment on the opposite side of the slot. Damn near perfect shot too.

Second goal, Fox has a shot blocked in the offensive zone which allows Wash to break out. It starts as a 3 on 2 with Kane and Fox backchecking. Mikola comes back and Kane correctly goes to pick up the 3rd attacking player A3...but there are 2 more attacking players coming. Why? The pass is made from the side wall to A4 (Oshie) so Kane releases on A3 and plays the pass from A4 back to A3 as he is already in the shot lane...Instead of shooting or passing because Kane is there, A4 finds A5 who scores off the pad of Mikola. Where was the rest of the backchecking forwards? Kreider and Trocheck changed instead of backchecking. If Kane locks in on A3 there, A4 walks right down the slot and shoots. Kane did the best he could here given the situation.

Going back to the original point though...and why I took exception to your lazy +/- jab.

Kane was directly involved in 2 goals for...and while he was on the ice for two 5v5 goals against and while that doesn't change his stat line, blaming him would be misplaced.

This doesn't mean he plays good defense, it simply illustrates that a -1 stat line in the scheme of the game is misleading at best and disingenuous without context.

Sorry for the rambling.
- climbdenali12

Love the breakdown. You're right. The first isn't primarly his fault. But he also doesn't do anything to try and stop Aube-Kubel from getting the shot off.

Or just a 2nd for Neiderreiter
- nyrangers9479

BUT BUT BUT Niederreiter is a -13. He obviously doesn't play any defense!!! We don't need that kind of liability.

Love the breakdown. You're right. The first isn't primarly his fault. But he also doesn't do anything to try and stop Aube-Kubel from getting the shot off.


- tomburton99

Do I get kudos for saying that last night? I called it out before you just now

(Pats myself on the back)

Wow you said Jack Hughes was good?? Along with about a billion other people. Congrats!!
- Slimtj100

This was before he went on his run.

BUT BUT BUT Niederreiter is a -13. He obviously doesn't play any defense!!! We don't need that kind of liability.

- NYR11

I’ll take his +49 the 2 seasons prior over his -13 this year. And if you’ve watched him play he’s far from the defensive liability Kane is.

I’ll take his +49 the 2 seasons prior over his -13 this year. And if you’ve watched him play he’s far from the defensive liability Kane is.
- nyrangers9479

But you won’t take Kanes 92 pts from last year👌🏻

Brah I got answers for everything

OMG

Just got caught up reading all the posts, and would NEVER know that WE WON last night!

COME ON GUYS!

Take the 2 points, enjoy the win and bring on Cindy and the Pens!!!

But you won’t take Kanes 92 pts from last year👌🏻

Brah I got answers for everything
- Slimtj100

Loving this debate. Keep going. I wanna hear more about the Blackhawks and Predators from last year.

I’ll take his +49 the 2 seasons prior over his -13 this year. And if you’ve watched him play he’s far from the defensive liability Kane is.
- nyrangers9479

We don't talk about past seasons here

We don't talk about past seasons here
- Rangers99

Yes the ultimate taboo