Not impressed by pens, flyers has really no offense to challenge any team. Bruins or Canes will eat pens alive if they qualify.
- THE EVIL WITHIN

Oh yeah without question. The pens are in the stage of life cycle where beating the flyers is the treat in and of itself. Like when the giroux shift happened and people celebrated like that was the cup. This team will be the 8 seed and lose in 5 games. I have no delusions otherwise. Still is always enjoyable to beat the flyers though. And it helped the tank so everyone wins

Is Hart really anything special? I'd really like to get a better judgement by seeing him behind a better team, but he seems to be good for one bad goal a game. Not sure he's a battler either. Things start going bad and he powder puffs his way through the rest of the game. Please stop trying to get Frost to gain the zone on the PP!!! He is like 0 for 1,000! He just crosses the blue line and gives the puck to the other team. Sanheim sucks!!
- Phillywhiteout

A recent poll of NHL executives rating goaltenders had Hart in the top 10 in the NHL.

I’d say that he’s probably burnt out from paying on a terrible team the last three years. On a better team, I think he’d do very well. Even as pathetic as we are he has decent stats despite the insane quality of shots he gets.
- Hextall271

The only games they win is because the goalie stood on their head. When he has an off night it's 99% a loss.

A recent poll of NHL executives rating goaltenders had Hart in the top 10 in the NHL.
- MJL

Is that a regular thing? Did they do all positions or something

The only games they win is because the goalie stood on their head. When he has an off night it's 99% a loss.
- atibus

That was true at the start of the year, not anymore

https://theathletic.com/4...n-culture-fletcher/?amp=1
- Sublime55

Late to the conversation but a terrific article that addressed everything from Hextall's firing to why they can't hire Ray Shero.

Any dispute that the "country club" is not driving most flyers decisions behind the scenes has been definitively put to rest. The alumni believes first and foremost that they are the smartest people in the room and in charge. Why shouldn't they, the front office allowed them to direct the team.

In 2018, it was then-team president Paul Holmgren who pushed for Comcast Spectacor CEO and chairman Dave Scott to remove Ron Hextall from the job. Hextall was too insular, the argument went, and the result was that the Flyers were straying from the culture that Snider had fostered. Alumni felt slighted on multiple levels. The team lacked an identity. And Hextall was infuriatingly patient, a far cry from the hyper-aggressive team-building strategies of Holmgren and Bob Clarke.

In stepped Clarke. Less than 24 hours after Hextall was let go, Fletcher’s name popped up as a candidate — and it was no coincidence that Clarke had given Fletcher his first job in hockey in 1993. Fletcher was Clarke’s preferred option. He knew Fletcher to be a genuinely good person, and a collaborative GM at heart. Fletcher wouldn’t freeze out the alumni as Hextall had.

Late to the conversation but a terrific article that addressed everything from Hextall's firing to why they can't hire Ray Shero.

Any dispute that the "country club" is not driving most flyers decisions behind the scenes has been definitively put to rest. The alumni believes first and foremost that they are the smartest people in the room and in charge. Why shouldn't they, the front office allowed them to direct the team.

In 2018, it was then-team president Paul Holmgren who pushed for Comcast Spectacor CEO and chairman Dave Scott to remove Ron Hextall from the job. Hextall was too insular, the argument went, and the result was that the Flyers were straying from the culture that Snider had fostered. Alumni felt slighted on multiple levels. The team lacked an identity. And Hextall was infuriatingly patient, a far cry from the hyper-aggressive team-building strategies of Holmgren and Bob Clarke.

In stepped Clarke. Less than 24 hours after Hextall was let go, Fletcher’s name popped up as a candidate — and it was no coincidence that Clarke had given Fletcher his first job in hockey in 1993. Fletcher was Clarke’s preferred option. He knew Fletcher to be a genuinely good person, and a collaborative GM at heart. Fletcher wouldn’t freeze out the alumni as Hextall had.
- Flyers_01

Just brutal. Ed Snider was a good owner, but his dedication to these guys was the beginning to the end. Snider was just too dedicated to these ex players. Holmgren should have been FIRED from the organization! Instead Snider promoted him to team president. The beginning of this mess started right there. These clowns need to be flushed down the toilet once and for all! Thanks!

Is that a regular thing? Did they do all positions or something
- ClaudeFather

I don't know.

Late to the conversation but a terrific article that addressed everything from Hextall's firing to why they can't hire Ray Shero.

Any dispute that the "country club" is not driving most flyers decisions behind the scenes has been definitively put to rest. The alumni believes first and foremost that they are the smartest people in the room and in charge. Why shouldn't they, the front office allowed them to direct the team.

In 2018, it was then-team president Paul Holmgren who pushed for Comcast Spectacor CEO and chairman Dave Scott to remove Ron Hextall from the job. Hextall was too insular, the argument went, and the result was that the Flyers were straying from the culture that Snider had fostered. Alumni felt slighted on multiple levels. The team lacked an identity. And Hextall was infuriatingly patient, a far cry from the hyper-aggressive team-building strategies of Holmgren and Bob Clarke.

In stepped Clarke. Less than 24 hours after Hextall was let go, Fletcher’s name popped up as a candidate — and it was no coincidence that Clarke had given Fletcher his first job in hockey in 1993. Fletcher was Clarke’s preferred option. He knew Fletcher to be a genuinely good person, and a collaborative GM at heart. Fletcher wouldn’t freeze out the alumni as Hextall had.
- Flyers_01

A number of posters including myself were at the forefront of this. We were mocked by many for having that opinion. All the information is out and any doubt about that has been put to bed.

Is that a regular thing? Did they do all positions or something
- ClaudeFather

https://www.espn.com/nhl/...s-execs-players-vote-best

There's the survey results and breakdown of who was polled and how it was conducted.

Hart came in 10th, actually was tied with Demko but got the spot due to a tie breaker. It's interesting because among the people polled, one person's quote regarding Hart was...

"Hart has had a bounce-back year, but I don't trust it," one NHL team executive said.

Another kinda' echoed that and said this about the last few guys listed..."The last three goaltenders are so hard. It's year-by-year with them," one NHL team executive said. "The top six guys are the top six guys in the league. After that, it feels like the rest are guys who are having a good season."

Makes you wonder just who those executives are that aren't necessarily big believers in Hart.

A number of posters including myself were at the forefront of this. We were mocked by many for having that opinion. All the information is out and any doubt about that has been put to bed.
- MJL

There were a lot of people defending Clarke's Hextall rant last year. There really is no defending Clarke.

Watching Oil v Leafs

Flyers v pens, not even close

https://twitter.com/NHL_W...gJJP6Ti1554QwidzzSeQ&s=19

Interesting times ahead

A number of posters including myself were at the forefront of this. We were mocked by many for having that opinion. All the information is out and any doubt about that has been put to bed.
- MJL

I was a Clarkie fan when he was a player, but by no means of a fan of his in his roles as GM, advisor, etc. That said, if he (Barber, Homer) really has/have so much influence, were they consulted about the firing of Chuckles the clown? I don't know much about Charlie O, but his job is to get people to read his column. Obviously, controversy gets clicks. Everyone is entitled for their opinion, but the old boys influence is getting old. Bill follows the team on a daily basis and says that the old boys aren't as involved anymore. I'm not expert but I think Bill knows more about the Flyers than any of us.

I was a Clarkie fan when he was a player, but by no means of a fan of his in his roles as GM, advisor, etc. That said, if he (Barber, Homer) really has/have so much influence, were they consulted about the firing of Chuckles the clown? I don't know much about Charlie O, but his job is to get people to read his column. Obviously, controversy gets clicks. Everyone is entitled for their opinion, but the old boys influence is getting old. Bill follows the team on a daily basis and says that the old boys aren't as involved anymore. I'm not expert but I think Bill knows more about the Flyers than any of us.
- Don Nachbaur

Clarke and Homer got their teams to the Stanley Cup Finals, history should not be rewritten because of current events. Clarke's team lost to a great Red Wings team. We all remember the beginning of the Blachawks dynasty. No disagreement that current Flyers structure must change drastically.

There were a lot of people defending Clarke's Hextall rant last year. There really is no defending Clarke.
- Flyers_01

It’s really shocking to see Clarke lambasting, not only a former player and GM, but also a current employee of another team. It’s uncouth and unprofessional and Clarke should know better. It also symbolizes the dysfunction in this organization for the entire league to see. No one should’ve been defending Clarke on that.

Clarke and Homer got their teams to the Stanley Cup Finals, history should not be rewritten because of current events. Clarke's team lost to a great Red Wings team. We all remember the beginning of the Blachawks dynasty. No disagreement that current Flyers structure must change drastically.
- Trox88

Yes, totally agree that the current structure must change, but it's crazy how some on here are obsessed with the old guard's influence. Example: ND was a bad signing, but to think that it was about the "bullies" mentality and influence is absurd. I have no problem with Danny B, as he was one of my favorites. At least he wasn't a goon like that neanderthal Homer!

I was a Clarkie fan when he was a player, but by no means of a fan of his in his roles as GM, advisor, etc. That said, if he (Barber, Homer) really has/have so much influence, were they consulted about the firing of Chuckles the clown? I don't know much about Charlie O, but his job is to get people to read his column. Obviously, controversy gets clicks. Everyone is entitled for their opinion, but the old boys influence is getting old. Bill follows the team on a daily basis and says that the old boys aren't as involved anymore. I'm not expert but I think Bill knows more about the Flyers than any of us.
- Don Nachbaur

Hextall drafted Nolan Patrick without the consent of the country club. How was he able to do that without their approval? Turns out they were right. So which way do you go? With them or against them?

I was a Clarkie fan when he was a player, but by no means of a fan of his in his roles as GM, advisor, etc. That said, if he (Barber, Homer) really has/have so much influence, were they consulted about the firing of Chuckles the clown? I don't know much about Charlie O, but his job is to get people to read his column. Obviously, controversy gets clicks. Everyone is entitled for their opinion, but the old boys influence is getting old. Bill follows the team on a daily basis and says that the old boys aren't as involved anymore. I'm not expert but I think Bill knows more about the Flyers than any of us.
- Don Nachbaur

This is not an effective argument. It completely ignores the body of work that the writer has done which is what his credibility should be based on. Rather than some clichéd response of his job is to get clicks. You don't make a single relevant point here to refute the premise. You just don't like it and don't want to believe it. Even though it is undeniable. There are many people who cover the team on a daily basis who have documented this. Including Charlie O, ASF and others. They don't count though, right?

Yes, totally agree that the current structure must change, but it's crazy how some on here are obsessed with the old guard's influence. Example: ND was a bad signing, but to think that it was about the "bullies" mentality and influence is absurd. I have no problem with Danny B, as he was one of my favorites. At least he wasn't a goon like that neanderthal Homer!
- Don Nachbaur

What's missing here is that you don't state why it's absurd. Just that it is. "Your honor, I object!" The judge says " on what grounds". " Just because!"