This CANNOT be, the only change. I want the entire front office, overhauled. Otherwise, this is probably just putting lipstick on a pig.

This CANNOT be, the only change. I want the entire front office, overhauled. Otherwise, this is probably just putting lipstick on a pig.
- CupOnBroadSt.

Fans got what they wanted. He's gone. That's all Scott did, no planning of the replacement. What does Briere want ? If he wants a shot, they're going to give it to him. It's telling they split the position in two, as the Flyers will hire a new President who's job will be to mentor Briere.
Again, most fans were ok with Briere coming in - remember they said "he couldn't do worse". At the very minimum, he'll get a year+ to see what he can do. I like Briere tremendously, but I loved Bill Barber as a player too and look at what kind of exec he turned out to be. (the worst)

It ain't over yet !!!

This CANNOT be, the only change. I want the entire front office, overhauled. Otherwise, this is probably just putting lipstick on a pig.
- CupOnBroadSt.

With no change in ownership, it's the same culture

With Ottawa rumored to be getting offers of 900 million maybe Comcast will sell the franchise they are destroying for a Billion

Agreed.
He was late in recognizing the team needed to be reset. Then upon playing catch-up, he was looking lost.
As for MacEwen and Brown, even though they were 4th line players who eventually would have been replaced when they get better talent, but those guys were providing a ton of energy on the ice. It was becoming contagious - the other players were starting to do the same. This was a missing component the last 2 years. Do we remember the slow starts and loss of energy half way through games ? Getting 6th & 7th rounders back was not a good return for the amount of effort the organization spent developing those guys BACK from the waiver wire to useful players. As disappointing as it was, this wasn't the worst thing he did. I gave up after the Risto deal. Not so much about the player, but the cost. Way, way too much given up for a player who hadn't tested the open market yet. There was no telling what the demand was going to be for him, but CF felt compelled to believe he was bidding against others, when it simply wasn't the case. Plus, there were better options available during the offseason. Couldn't pursue those because we already spent the money. The whole move was covering for a bad trade to begin with. That one transaction should have tipped off management. It was a desperate deal.
- BluehorseShoe64

Neither Brown or McEwen were good players. Both needed to be gone.

Pronger..Pronger..Pronger

Prediction: Once Bobby Clarke passes, the team wins a Cup. It's like when the Blackhawks owner (?) finally died and the team turned it around.

This is fantastic news. I was done with Fletcher (and the Flyers honestly) when the DeAngelo trade went down (which was so obviously terrible on multiple levels). Fletcher has to be the worst GM in Philadelphia history — I was starting to wonder if anyone at Comcast was even paying attention. The next GM has a tough task but at least everyone gets it that it will take a few years. The next steps are crucial.
- Flyerzzzz

Fletcher was their worst gm since their last gm who is currently destroying the pens.

How can you trade two viable NHL players for super-low picks that are unlikely to make the NHL?

How can you not say "rebuild" when that's exactly what you are doing?

How can you not trade off your players for viable picks like JVR? Maybe not a first but... are you telling me that NOBODY could have used a 1/2 price JVR for a 2nd?

Then - you hire the ONE COACH that can guarantee that you have little to no chance at a) Connor Bedard and b) making the playoffs.

This is just pathetic.
- flyersfaninLA

Did you follow the market this deadline? No even at 3.5 mill jvr was not worth a 2nd. Look at the comparables.

Maybe he had an offer for a 5 or a 4 earlier and misread the market, but he was never getting a 2.

Fletcher had 3 very good moves as their gm. He was not all bad.

1. Not signing JG / Giving up a 1st to make room. Flat out outstanding non move.

2. The G trade / start of their rebuild. They told G they were not resigning him. He wanted to resign and did not want to be traded. So he only gave em one place to go. To get Tippett who looks to be a very good power forward for years and what most likely will be a pick in the 12 to 18 range in 24, is a hell of a trade all things considered.

3. Hiring Torts. For anyone who actually attends games in person, you would no this has been a very good move. They needed a guy who holds everyone accountable and he does exactly that.

In Fletcher’s defense the d he inherited was an overrated cast of characters. They still are (see Sanheim). Had dictator 27 not taken Patrick and listened to their scouts, we would have a stud number 1 dman right now. Thus many of those ghastly moves including; Ghosts , Risto, Sanheim contract and TDA never happen. Even so still Fletchers fault. Fletchers owns half of what we see on the ice today and needed to go just like the last gm.

I have no problem w Shero as president and Briere (who was down to the final 1 or 2 candidates in Montreal) as gm to f that’s the way it plays out.

For all the folks who say they need to go outside the org, we’ll they did that w Fletcher and how’d that work out?

Ownership is a damn disgrace. NO WAY Fletcher shoulda been GM at the deadline.
I don’t want Briere as GM either. We’ve had piss poor gm’s since Keith Allen for Christ sake, and his last year was in the early 80’s.
All former flyer “Advisors” that are in the building now, go home !
They should have got their heads out of their asses and gave Trotz the reins but nooooo. Clowns on ownership just sat there like complete morons
- twpguy

No way Fletcher should have been GM, period

On your great breakdown of playoff and non-playoff teams you have the WEST WITH ONLY 15 TEAMS? I guess you automatically make CHICAGO A DEAD FRANCHISE! I know that they are bad, but come on, Rocky is not going to be happy about this!

Did you follow the market this deadline? No even at 3.5 mill jvr was not worth a 2nd. Look at the comparables.

Maybe he had an offer for a 5 or a 4 earlier and misread the market, but he was never getting a 2.

Fletcher had 3 very good moves as their gm. He was not all bad.

1. Not signing JG / Giving up a 1st to make room. Flat out outstanding non move.



- Joe Nardone

Context is everything. At the time the Flyers were still in a win posture. Otherwise why do you trade for Angelo? Failure to plan for the future and have the cap space to sign a star player who wanted to play for you is an abject failure. Not something you give credit for making a good decision.

3. Hiring Torts. For anyone who actually attends games in person, you would no this has been a very good move. They needed a guy who holds everyone accountable and he does exactly that.


- Joe Nardone

I would love to hear the explanation of why you need to attend a game in person to have that opinion.

In Fletcher’s defense the d he inherited was an overrated cast of characters. They still are (see Sanheim). Had dictator 27 not taken Patrick and listened to their scouts, we would have a stud number 1 dman right now. Thus many of those ghastly moves including; Ghosts , Risto, Sanheim contract and TDA never happen. Even so still Fletchers fault. Fletchers owns half of what we see on the ice today and needed to go just like the last gm.


- Joe Nardone

Such a tired and boring argument. Trying to blame Hextall for the Gostisbehere move. The Flyers didn't draft squat for defenseman for long before Hextall became GM. He added Provorov and Sanheim. You also don't seem to consider that when the Gostisbehere and Angelo moves were made, Sanheim was playing solidly. He's had a bad season but is still a good player.

Question for you. With the Rubtsov pick. Did Hextall listen to the scouts on that pick or was that his decision?

I have no problem w Shero as president and Briere (who was down to the final 1 or 2 candidates in Montreal) as gm to f that’s the way it plays out.

For all the folks who say they need to go outside the org, we’ll they did that w Fletcher and how’d that work out?
- Joe Nardone

All the folks who said that would tell you that Fletcher was not an outsider. He had deep ties and connections to the Flyers. Which is part of why he was hired.

All the folks want a complete outsider hired with no ties to the Flyers.

Guessing Fletchers career in sports is over. Minnesota fired him for ineptitude and now Philly for pretty much the same.

Did you follow the market this deadline? No even at 3.5 mill jvr was not worth a 2nd. Look at the comparables.

Maybe he had an offer for a 5 or a 4 earlier and misread the market, but he was never getting a 2.

Fletcher had 3 very good moves as their gm. He was not all bad.

1. Not signing JG / Giving up a 1st to make room. Flat out outstanding non move.

2. The G trade / start of their rebuild. They told G they were not resigning him. He wanted to resign and did not want to be traded. So he only gave em one place to go. To get Tippett who looks to be a very good power forward for years and what most likely will be a pick in the 12 to 18 range in 24, is a hell of a trade all things considered.

3. Hiring Torts. For anyone who actually attends games in person, you would no this has been a very good move. They needed a guy who holds everyone accountable and he does exactly that.

In Fletcher’s defense the d he inherited was an overrated cast of characters. They still are (see Sanheim). Had dictator 27 not taken Patrick and listened to their scouts, we would have a stud number 1 dman right now. Thus many of those ghastly moves including; Ghosts , Risto, Sanheim contract and TDA never happen. Even so still Fletchers fault. Fletchers owns half of what we see on the ice today and needed to go just like the last gm.

I have no problem w Shero as president and Briere (who was down to the final 1 or 2 candidates in Montreal) as gm to f that’s the way it plays out.

For all the folks who say they need to go outside the org, we’ll they did that w Fletcher and how’d that work out?
- Joe Nardone

Good move #1 was only made possible due to the disaster he created known as Risto. Otherwise, we have JG and couturier growing old in wheelchairs together making $18MM. At best #1 is push. I'll give you #2, but #3 was most definitely a bad move. Anything that would improve 2023 record was bad......

I think the un-sung victory of the Fletch era was the Giroux trade.

I have been told what the offer was to start (awful) with a 3rd rounder. Getting their best prospect and what won't be a terrible first - was a victory. As a publisher by trade and somebody who has written a little professionally about hockey - I have this information from a good source.

While I am sure I would like meeting Torts as he seems like my kind of guy - he was the WRONG HIRE for this team THIS YEAR.

The Flyers (like Toronto) have tremendous pressure on them to win and win EVERY YEAR. We never suck like the Pens or Colorado. Perhaps in a hard-capped world, you might just need to suck big-time (trust the process, people) to get the premium prospects needed to build a franchise around.

The Risto signing was obscene. That helped get Fletch fired. How the hell do we get rid of that contract?

Sanheim is a nice player but is now the time for which we need to sign up a D4 for that kind of term? I think not.

Rick Tocchet would have been my coach of choice, if you are asking.

I would have also looked to move Hayes, JVR (no less than a pair of 3rds or a future 2nd - with the later being better). Travis wouldn't have been safe in the right deal. Or Farabee. Or Provo.

Where I do agree with you is - if you the offer was a 5th (I don't know btw) for JVR, I too would have stood. I bet JVR could have gotten a lot more than that six weeks ago. Why were we not selling assets then?

I think the un-sung victory of the Fletch era was the Giroux trade.

I have been told what the offer was to start (awful) with a 3rd rounder. Getting their best prospect and what won't be a terrible first - was a victory. As a publisher by trade and somebody who has written a little professionally about hockey - I have this information from a good source.

While I am sure I would like meeting Torts as he seems like my kind of guy - he was the WRONG HIRE for this team THIS YEAR.

The Flyers (like Toronto) have tremendous pressure on them to win and win EVERY YEAR. We never suck like the Pens or Colorado. Perhaps in a hard-capped world, you might just need to suck big-time (trust the process, people) to get the premium prospects needed to build a franchise around.

The Risto signing was obscene. That helped get Fletch fired. How the hell do we get rid of that contract?

Sanheim is a nice player but is now the time for which we need to sign up a D4 for that kind of term? I think not.

Rick Tocchet would have been my coach of choice, if you are asking.

I would have also looked to move Hayes, JVR (no less than a pair of 3rds or a future 2nd - with the later being better). Travis wouldn't have been safe in the right deal. Or Farabee. Or Provo.

Where I do agree with you is - if you the offer was a 5th (I don't know btw) for JVR, I too would have stood. I bet JVR could have gotten a lot more than that six weeks ago. Why were we not selling assets then?
- flyersfaninLA

I agree with most of what you post here. Although if I was offered a 5th for JVR at the deadline and that was the only offer. I would've taken it. As far as why assets weren't moved six weeks ago. With the quality of players that were going to be available and the way contracts prorate and cap charges, which is different from cap hits lower. There was no market for a player like JVR then.

Maybe Pittsburgh will hire him after they fire Hextall. Fletching doing nothing is probably an improvement over Hextall doing anything.

about time. He should never have been hired.
- TheFreak

Why not?! His dad worked for the team. That makes him qualified.

Briere is a totally different player from a different time. He actually went back to school. .U of Penn for business management then was president and ran the echl Maine Mariners for a couple of years before being hired as special assistant to Fletcher. Its not a huge resume but atleast hes not following the hey let's try you at coaching...well that didn't work out how about GM. Hes much smarter than the dinosaurs currently around him. The big thing will be who the bring in around him and the fates of Clarke ,Barber and Holmgrem as senior advisors.