the same team? are you kidding?
- wbroudy

I threw up a little in my mouth when I read that.

The two overpays I mentioned, Ellis situation is what it is, cap aspect of it sucks but he traded crap for crap
- ClaudeFather

the crap he got rid of didn't have term

I’d add that it’s possible Atkinson turns out a mess too. If he doesn’t recover there’s another swing and miss. Agree on your other points. Just a disaster and the worst part is this picks.
- Hextall271

Yeah if he can get back to form they might be able to move him at the deadline next year. Small chance that happens in my opinion.

the crap he got rid of didn't have term
- corduroy

Can’t predict career injuries. IMO the other aspect of this is our entire health/training team in general. Hayes injured and reinjured multiple times after survey, Coots surgery and re-injured, Ellis unsolvable injury, Atkinson mysterious season length injury, can it really be all a coincidence?

Trade TK and Provy. Obviously overpaid on a couple guys here but I actually don’t think his trades have been that bad. Braun both to and from /Niskanen/Giroux have all been solid trades
- ClaudeFather

Good
MacEwen for 5th + Mario
G + Rubstov + Bunny for Tip + 1st + 3rd

Decent
Brown for 6th
Braun for 3rd
Gus for 7th
Raffl for 5th
2nd + 3rd for Braun
Gudas for Niskanen
Simmer for Hartman + 4th
Weise + Folin for Schlemko + Froese

Bad
Ratcliffe for futures
Jake for Cam
Criscuolo + 4th for Derek Grant
5th for Tombstone
Hartman for Pitlick
11th-overall for 14th-overall (York) + 2nd (Boldy went at #12, 2nd was traded away)
Stolarz for Cam Talbot,
Weal for Jacob Graves

Disaster
5th for Kevin Hayes' rights
TDA + 7th for 2nd + 3rd + 4th
1st + 2nd + Hagg for RR
Ghost + 2nd + 7th for futures
NP + Myers for Ellis

witht he no trades, and assuming all are healthy minus ellis. yeah basically same team but with coots and atkinson.
- Peter Richards

So with Couts and Atkinson they will be 10 points better than this yr Which means no playoffs..a worse draft pick but Fletch can say again next yr they are the 5th most improved team 2 yrs in a row.. Got that going for them

Good
MacEwen for 5th + Mario
G + Rubstov + Bunny for Tip + 1st + 3rd

Decent
Brown for 6th
Braun for 3rd
Gus for 7th
Raffl for 5th
2nd + 3rd for Braun
Gudas for Niskanen
Simmer for Hartman + 4th
Weise + Folin for Schlemko + Froese

Bad
Ratcliffe for futures
Jake for Cam
Criscuolo + 4th for Derek Grant
5th for Tombstone
Hartman for Pitlick
11th-overall for 14th-overall (York) + 2nd (Boldy went at #12, 2nd was traded away)
Stolarz for Cam Talbot,
Weal for Jacob Graves

Disaster
5th for Kevin Hayes' rights
TDA + 7th for 2nd + 3rd + 4th
1st + 2nd + Hagg for RR
Ghost + 2nd + 7th for futures
NP + Myers for Ellis
- Tomahawk

Your entire bad section are essentially irrelevant trades . Ratcliffe is a bum, Jake cam is a wash, Hartman sucks again after being in a good situation, you don’t know who he would have picked , and the Ellis situation is what it is, he looked great in the short stint . Hayes trading a 5th is also nothing. Talking strictly trade here

Good
MacEwen for 5th + Mario
G + Rubstov + Bunny for Tip + 1st + 3rd

Decent
Brown for 6th
Braun for 3rd
Gus for 7th
Raffl for 5th
2nd + 3rd for Braun
Gudas for Niskanen
Simmer for Hartman + 4th
Weise + Folin for Schlemko + Froese

Bad
Ratcliffe for futures
Jake for Cam
Criscuolo + 4th for Derek Grant
5th for Tombstone
Hartman for Pitlick
11th-overall for 14th-overall (York) + 2nd (Boldy went at #12, 2nd was traded away)
Stolarz for Cam Talbot,
Weal for Jacob Graves

Disaster
5th for Kevin Hayes' rights
TDA + 7th for 2nd + 3rd + 4th
1st + 2nd + Hagg for RR
Ghost + 2nd + 7th for futures
NP + Myers for Ellis
- Tomahawk

Not sure how many times bill can post the ghost situation here either. I don’t even think I can continue this conversation after you listing Jordan weal as a bad trade 😂 do you where he has played the last 3 seasons? I get the hate for Fletcher but some of this crap is just ridiculous

The Bolts are gonna be pissed...look out!! I guess Torts isn't the only coach to use the 3rd period benching strategy to wake up his top players? Or is Cooper just another archaic coach?
- Phillywhiteout

Nobody has ever used benching any player as a reasoning for why a coach is archaic.

Your entire bad section are essentially irrelevant trades . Ratcliffe is a bum, Jake cam is a wash, Hartman sucks again after being in a good situation, you don’t know who he would have picked , and the Ellis situation is what it is, he looked great in the short stint . Hayes trading a 5th is also nothing. Talking strictly trade here
- ClaudeFather

The trades by themselves seem irrelevant. But, CF has a history of giving up draft picks when he does not have too. He also hyperfocuses on specific players and overpays to get them. A draft pick here and there is not a big deal. But when it becomes a regular thing on a team trying to get younger it is a bad thing. The lack of flexibility on the cap and the lack of draft picks basically makes it impossible to move anyone.

I still can’t believe that happened. It’s like we’re now in the twilight zone. I know a lot of people blame hextall for this, but his watch was not nearly as terrible as this. He seemed to be able to clear cap space and stockpile draft picks. The team is far worse record wise, and Chuck has us to the cap with several players who will likely never play again and can’t even get a 6th rounder for an expiring contract. He should have been working on this for a month with several options in play.looks like he called Detroit in the eleventh hour and it didn’t work out. Oh well. I can’t even. The pundits are lambasting him and the flyers org and rightfully so. I mean we’re on par with zona now imo.
- Hextall271

His app must have told him not to do that

Your entire bad section are essentially irrelevant trades . Ratcliffe is a bum, Jake cam is a wash, Hartman sucks again after being in a good situation, you don’t know who he would have picked , and the Ellis situation is what it is, he looked great in the short stint . Hayes trading a 5th is also nothing. Talking strictly trade here
- ClaudeFather

- They mismanaged Ratty's development w/ conflicting messages. 12-mos ago he was in the NHL, playing well. As of a couple of weeks ago, he was worth nothing. That's on the org, which Fletch manages.
- Cam has an extra year, which was always gonna be a problem at his age.
- Hartman doesn't suck, he'd probably be top-six on this team right now in terms of talent.
- Ellis would have been a good player if he had stayed healthy, but he predictably didn't.
- And yeah, they probably would have still taken York at #11, over Boldy, Caufield, and Knight lol
- Nobody else was gonna give Hayes 7x7 w/ a NMC. There was no need to jump the market and waste a pick there.

The trades by themselves seem irrelevant. But, CF has a history of giving up draft picks when he does not have too. He also hyperfocuses on specific players and overpays to get them. A draft pick here and there is not a big deal. But when it becomes a regular thing on a team trying to get younger it is a bad thing. The lack of flexibility on the cap and the lack of draft picks basically makes it impossible to move anyone.
- mickel25

I’m not worried about Fletcher trading TK and Provy

I’m not worried about Fletcher trading TK and Provy
- ClaudeFather

Hopefully if he does he gets a great return. I do not believe that will happen. I am fine with trading any player on this roster.

I don’t even think I can continue this conversation after you listing Jordan weal as a bad trade 😂 do you where he has played the last 3 seasons? I get the hate for Fletcher but some of this crap is just ridiculous
- ClaudeFather

Weal played NHL games in 19-20. The guy they traded him for couldn't crack an AHL lineup.

Anyway, the point is CF's made far more bad trades than good.

Not sure how many times bill can post the ghost situation here either.
- ClaudeFather

So would you categorize that trade as good or decent?

Trade TK and Provy. Obviously overpaid on a couple guys here but I actually don’t think his trades have been that bad. Braun both to and from /Niskanen/Giroux have all been solid trades
- ClaudeFather

Niskanen and Giroux trades are the only good trades he has made.

Seller can pound sand. No way am I resigning him.
- Pelle31Forever

There is nothing wrong with Seeler and he is not a UFA. He is signed for next year.

Good
MacEwen for 5th + Mario
G + Rubstov + Bunny for Tip + 1st + 3rd

Decent
Brown for 6th
Braun for 3rd
Gus for 7th
Raffl for 5th
2nd + 3rd for Braun
Gudas for Niskanen
Simmer for Hartman + 4th
Weise + Folin for Schlemko + Froese

Bad
Ratcliffe for futures
Jake for Cam
Criscuolo + 4th for Derek Grant
5th for Tombstone
Hartman for Pitlick
11th-overall for 14th-overall (York) + 2nd (Boldy went at #12, 2nd was traded away)
Stolarz for Cam Talbot,
Weal for Jacob Graves

Disaster
5th for Kevin Hayes' rights
TDA + 7th for 2nd + 3rd + 4th
1st + 2nd + Hagg for RR
Ghost + 2nd + 7th for futures
NP + Myers for Ellis
- Tomahawk

2nd and 3rd for Braun goes in the bad category for me.

Niskanen and Giroux trades are the only good trades he has made.
- MJL

And one was a band-aid fix he still never properly address and the G trade should’ve triggered a rebuild that still hasn’t started.

Chuck can claim being GM while Gritty was introduced. That’s about his biggest accomplishment.

Your entire bad section are essentially irrelevant trades . Ratcliffe is a bum, Jake cam is a wash, Hartman sucks again after being in a good situation, you don’t know who he would have picked , and the Ellis situation is what it is, he looked great in the short stint . Hayes trading a 5th is also nothing. Talking strictly trade here
- ClaudeFather

Voracek for Atkinson wasn't a wash. The Flyers traded the better player. I can picture Poile laughing and saying quick make the trade call before Fletcher changes his mind when the Ellis trade was made.

2nd and 3rd for Braun goes in the bad category for me.
- MJL

Trading two top-90 picks for a 32-yo isn't normally idea of a good idea, but the sheer amount of mileage they got out of Braun kinda tips the scales a bit for me.

I think Provy & Hayes are not on the team by opening night of next season.
- Big_E_88

Friedman thinks Hayes may end up in Columbus.

Trading two top-90 picks for a 32-yo isn't normally idea of a good idea, but the sheer amount of mileage they got out of Braun kinda tips the scales a bit for me.
- Tomahawk

Plus they got a 3rd back for him last year.

Niskanen and Giroux trades are the only good trades he has made.
- MJL

And certainly no great trades. We can only dream that he could pull off a Devon Toews kind of deal or this fantasy Hayes for Roz + 1st deal.

This is amazing

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