Is anybody watching ABC's pregame show, and if so, can they tell me why PK Subban is dressed like he's in a Bachman-Turner Overdrive cover band?
- BaronVonShiznit

PK is all about taking care of business.

If anyone on here is attending the season ticket holders meeting today, team ownership needs to know that none of this acceptable anymore. I’d make it known that the fan base will not willingly go along with changes at the margins anymore. It’s time for a big shakeup, lest they face a big exodus from the base.

If anyone on here is attending the season ticket holders meeting today, team ownership needs to know that none of this acceptable anymore. I’d make it known that the fan base will not willingly go along with changes at the margins anymore. It’s time for a big shakeup, lest they face a big exodus from the base.
- Sublime55

That's the hope but is that what is really going to happen. I hope so.

That's the hope but is that what is really going to happen. I hope so.
- MJL

This organization doesn’t inspire confidence so all I’m left with is hope in the fans to exert pressure. Hope in the fans is all I’ve got anymore.

Going back a few dozen posts, about JvR having value....
I actually believe Fletch that he had almost no value. Geez, you believe other GM's don't watch him play? JvR in his heyday put up mediocre numbers with tons of ice time and good linemates in Toronto carrying him. That was 8 years ago. Except for some good deflections, he's a below average skater, below average shooter, below average defensively (yes he'll make a safe play often, but he's no defensive threat), basically doesn't contribute to the team. It was a HORRIBLE signing that has dragged the team down ever since. Seriously MacEwan beings more to a shift in every area of the game than JvR.
The saddest part of this week has been that so many of our players have so little value in the eyes of the league. I bet there was zero interest in Risto, DeAngelo, Hayes, Deslauriers... basically other teams realize how Fletch puts his faith in players who don't contribute to winning.
I am on Torts side on this. It's not his fault for limiting their ice time. They are seriously bad all on their own. And people see it.

Going back a few dozen posts, about JvR having value....
I actually believe Fletch that he had almost no value. Geez, you believe other GM's don't watch him play? JvR in his heyday put up mediocre numbers with tons of ice time and good linemates in Toronto carrying him. That was 8 years ago. Except for some good deflections, he's a below average skater, below average shooter, below average defensively (yes he'll make a safe play often, but he's no defensive threat), basically doesn't contribute to the team. It was a HORRIBLE signing that has dragged the team down ever since. Seriously MacEwan beings more to a shift in every area of the game than JvR.
The saddest part of this week has been that so many of our players have so little value in the eyes of the league. I bet there was zero interest in Risto, DeAngelo, Hayes, Deslauriers... basically other teams realize how Fletch puts his faith in players who don't contribute to winning.
I am on Torts side on this. It's not his fault for limiting their ice time. They are seriously bad all on their own. And people see it.
- therabbi

why i wasn't happy about signing him to a 7mil dollar deal years ago. surprised he wasn't traded though.

Going back a few dozen posts, about JvR having value....
I actually believe Fletch that he had almost no value. Geez, you believe other GM's don't watch him play? JvR in his heyday put up mediocre numbers with tons of ice time and good linemates in Toronto carrying him. That was 8 years ago. Except for some good deflections, he's a below average skater, below average shooter, below average defensively (yes he'll make a safe play often, but he's no defensive threat), basically doesn't contribute to the team. It was a HORRIBLE signing that has dragged the team down ever since. Seriously MacEwan beings more to a shift in every area of the game than JvR.
The saddest part of this week has been that so many of our players have so little value in the eyes of the league. I bet there was zero interest in Risto, DeAngelo, Hayes, Deslauriers... basically other teams realize how Fletch puts his faith in players who don't contribute to winning.
I am on Torts side on this. It's not his fault for limiting their ice time. They are seriously bad all on their own. And people see it.
- therabbi

It doesn't matter the little value he had/has. It's the fact a team in this position can't get nothing for their assets, no matter how little it is. Draft picks are lottery tickets to future stars. Get more. Now you have one less. People are stuck on the value of JVR in the trade and it sounds like trying to justify a poor decision by management.

Lottery tickets are what's needed. Not letting mediocre, older players finish off 20 games in a season "to mentor" young kids. How much mentoring are they getting in 20 games? It's a silly thing for the GM to say.

It doesn't matter the little value he had/has. It's the fact a team in this position can't get nothing for their assets, no matter how little it is. Draft picks are lottery tickets to future stars. Get more. Now you have one less. People are stuck on the value of JVR in the trade and it sounds like trying to justify a poor decision by management.

Lottery tickets are what's needed. Not letting mediocre, older players finish off 20 games in a season "to mentor" young kids. How much mentoring are they getting in 20 games? It's a silly thing for the GM to say.
- Aaron_85

Everyone understands that the Flyers need draft picks for future talent. How are people stuck on the value of JVR trade? His value is why he wasn't traded. Management did not decide not to trade him. They tried to trade him and according to the GM were willing to retain salary and take a player back to make a deal happen as long as that player was on an expiring contract. If that player had future years, they were only willing to take that player if it made sense for their future.

Everyone understands that the Flyers need draft picks for future talent. How are people stuck on the value of JVR trade? His value is why he wasn't traded. Management did not decide not to trade him. They tried to trade him and according to the GM were willing to retain salary and take a player back to make a deal happen as long as that player was on an expiring contract. If that player had future years, they were only willing to take that player if it made sense for their future.
- MJL

Not everyone. They said they were only willing to trade seeler if it was overpayment. Over valuing a replaceable player.

I agree. I believe it was Tomahawk who brought up the idea of Pronger being the President. I kind of like the idea. He is a former Flyer, but has worked in FLA and I believe the league office. I don't believe Scott is capable of hiring a complete outsider- example- Kevin Weekes. I think the best we can hope for as the next step is hiring a former Flyer who went away for awhile. Just like the Ron Hextall hiring.
- Trox88

My personal preference would be Mark Hunter, he has built the London Knights into the envoy of Canadian junior hockey and he was also the architect of the Maple Leafs success as most of the players Lou brought in were on his recommendation while Mark was Director of player personal and assistant GM. Shanahan was afraid for his job and that is why Mark was let go in Toronto when Lou stepped away.
Hunter also has no ties to past or present Flyer alumni.

https://phillyhockeynow.c...ild-chuck-fletcher-draft/

The Flyers missed a chance to add some much-needed draft capital.

“I didn’t know what the market would be, but I thought there would at least be some offers that we would have to consider or not consider,” Fletcher said. “So it’s the nature of the business, I guess. It is what it is.”

Dave Scott, Fletcher’s boss, couldn’t be happy with the unsettling developments. Scott did not immediately respond to a request to talk about deadline day

Fletcher was also unable to deal Nick Seeler — the GM said he got lots of calls from teams who were interested in him — or Justin Braun.

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beyind laughable at this juncture

I see Brendan Lemieux’s face on YouTube and my first reaction is “Oh look, it’s Joel Farabee”.

That guy needs to be an outsider with no connection to the Flyers. That has full autonomy for hockey decisions away from Scott, Fletcher and the other members of the country club. We know a full house cleaning is not going to happen so there really isn't any other option to hope for.
- MJL

Spot on!

Everyone understands that the Flyers need draft picks for future talent. How are people stuck on the value of JVR trade? His value is why he wasn't traded. Management did not decide not to trade him. They tried to trade him and according to the GM were willing to retain salary and take a player back to make a deal happen as long as that player was on an expiring contract. If that player had future years, they were only willing to take that player if it made sense for their future.
- MJL

He put the guy on a tee for anyone to have lol

Fletcher booed when he walked upon the stage. To which Steve Coates responded "keep it classy."

Fletcher booed when he walked upon the stage. To which Steve Coates responded "keep it classy."
- Pelle31Forever

Were you there? If so, fill us in.

You seem to place a lot of value on what the Pens blogger says. He's not a smart hockey guy.
- MJL

No, I'm not even familiar with the guy, but I'm guessing he knows way more about the way the Pens have been handled by Hextall than you or I do. I know Hextall wasn't a good GM here and it appears as if he isn't a good GM in Pittsburgh either.

Fletcher booed when he walked upon the stage. To which Steve Coates responded "keep it classy."
- Pelle31Forever

😂 that’s hilarious

Fletcher booed when he walked upon the stage. To which Steve Coates responded "keep it classy."
- Pelle31Forever

Steve Coates needs to go too. Guys a clown and total spin master for this dysfunctional orginaztion.

Some guy live streamed the Fletcher part of the meeting on Twitter.

Talking to some retired players and they said similar things about JVR.

Not fast, quick, aggressive enough on the forecheck/backcheck that GMs of playoff teams are looking for in the tighter checking, more intense playoff hockey.

His 9 goals in 41 games is a red flag for a 34 yr old aging one dimensional player.

The Flyers needed to retain 50% salary and take on a contract in order to receive a pick.

Not moving Braun(if there was any interest) is also a failure since there is no reason for him to be here. A veteran at the end of his career should not be on this team.

Seeler has one more year at a CHEAP contract and turns 30 in June. He should be moved next season if there is any interest. He is replaceable and not worth resigning.
- Captain_Ahab

Braun couldn't stay in the lineup on this team. He always had limited mobility, but his skating has declined further. He can't play anymore. At 36, this could very well be his last year in the league. I don't see any playoff team having any interest in Braun.

How (frank)ing dare anyone out there make fun of Chuck Fletcher after all he has been through.!

He lost Ellis, Atkinson and Couturier because of injuries, he went through an expansion draft, he was forced to trade MacEwen because of his conservative podcast.

His coach turned out to be anti technology , an abuser, and now he's going through a custody battle. All you people care about is... readers and making money off of him.

HE'S A HUMAN! (ah! ooh!) What you don't realize is that Chuck made the Flyers the 5th most improved team and all you do is write a bunch of crap about him.

He hasn't performed on ice in years. His song is called "Give Me More" for a reason because all you people want is MORE! MORE-MORE, MORE: MORE!.

LEAVE HIM ALONE! You are lucky he even signed Ristolainen for you BASTARDS!
LEAVE CHUCK ALONE!...Please.
- Streit2ThePoint

Well done!

Do you get the feeling that Scott, Fletcher, et al are underestimating the frustration/anger of the fan base?

I’m sure you’re aware that a majority of the general fan base absolutely HATE Fletcher without any chance of that changing ever, Right?
- Shrike

Are the majority of fans even that angry?

Canucks fans were littering the ice with jerseys, chanting "Fire Benning"... I haven't seen anything like that here.

Fletcher can't even handle GMing 101! You put it out there that JVR can be had for a second rounder. No one was probably going to give you that, but you would probably garner a 3rd or 4th rounder out of that. I heard on the NHL Network that he was offered a 4th rounder, but he wanted a 3rd. If that's the case he should be fired right now! I mean, a 4th rounder is better than a no rounder. They were never going to get much for JVR cause he isn't exactly what you would call a playoff type player, but to let him walk for nothing is despicable! Fire him now!

Fletcher can't even handle GMing 101! You put it out there that JVR can be had for a second rounder. No one was probably going to give you that, but you would probably garner a 3rd or 4th rounder out of that. I heard on the NHL Network that he was offered a 4th rounder, but he wanted a 3rd. If that's the case he should be fired right now! I mean, a 4th rounder is better than a no rounder. They were never going to get much for JVR cause he isn't exactly what you would call a playoff type player, but to let him walk for nothing is despicable! Fire him now!
- Phillywhiteout

According to Fletcher, he did not get any firm offers for JVR. If he did, it will eventually leak out but I haven't seen any legitimate source state that Fletcher turned down any deals for JVR.