1. Proof that "on pace" doesn't matter is the fact you don't win awards, get into the hockey hall of fame or get a bigger contract for being "on pace". It's something the fans and media like to use to fluff up favourite players. You tout facts and facts are the points you actually get. Not the "on the pace".

2. You claimed with an absolute statement Coots was "on pace" for 30 goals and 70 points for FOUR straight seasons. Your own math proves the 3rd year you used he would only score 26 goals and get 69. 26 is not 30 so no he wasn't "on pace" for 30 goals. You're simply moving goal posts at this point. You were wrong in your statement shown by your own math. You didn't claim "similar rate" you said full stop "30 goals and 70 points". I don't get how you think 26 goasls is 30 though....
Further, you can't use the extrapolation of of "oh he scored 18 goals in 45" so over 82 he would score X number of goals. He didn't play the entire season in a shortened season, you'd have to factor in injury missed games. You can't go "on pace" for goals and then not go "on pace" for missed games due to injury. Additionally, he had the HIGHEST S% at 15% of his career. You're considering that he would keep that up for an additional 20+ games? Even if he did you're willing to die on a hill that his career high, never done before S% was sustainable enough to claim him some amazing top center?

3. You're ASSUMING these are facts. You CLAIM everything you believe is fact. Did you know that GMs lie? Dubas claimed he wouldn't spend a top prospect or top draft picks on rentals and here we are. ROR for a 1st like a week later. GMs don't always tell the truth so if you're taking what CF completely at face value then I think you're looking at it wrong. You have to be taking these things with a grain of salt.

4. Bruce Boudreau likely knows more than you or I ever would. If he thinks CF screwed up by not getting ANYTHING then I'm going to side with him over what you believe happened. Again, you claimed there was no market and believe that but also made an absolute statement of "market dried up". It can't be both. I only hope you stick to the same story you believe (which is fine, you're welcome to your opinions) instead of flip flopping and making absolute statements and then changing them when called out.
- Aaron_85

mic drop

If someone states that they believe something. That is not offering something as a fact.

- MJL

...until you literally start telling everyone else they are wrong all the time if they disagree.

And why are we still talking about a Hextall? One of the all time great Flyers but not as successful for the Flyers as a GM. This is Ralph Wiggums team now. However, the Pittsburgh fans are hilarious. Hextall basically had little to no choice but to be extorted by Letang and Malkin (with an assist to Crosby) and has had virtually no cap flexibility because of that. It’s fun to watch the Penguins fans upset but seriously it was a no win situation since those two has beens had to be signed to long term contracts.

Check Fletcher needs to be held to The Standard. I don't understand how this guy isn't clearly on the hot seat. Basically every challenge he's faced as GM, he's pulled the team through in worse shape.

No that's not proof that on pace doesn't matter to anyone in hockey. That's proof that on pace doesn't matter for post season or career awards. You're also not considering that every player in those seasons played less games. Of course in any contract negotiation, the rate of scoring in a season where a full 82 game season wasn't played would be viable. Unless you believe it should be held against a player that the season was shortened due to the pandemic. It's simply looking at the rate that the players scored at to compare to full season production. That's the only way to compare point production from season to season where the same amount of games weren't played by the player.

Are you aware that in an arbitration hearing for a players contract, stats such as points/60 and points per game played is evidence that can be used? If the stat of points per game played, which is basically the same thing as scoring pace, doesn't matter to the anyone in hockey. Then why is it listed as an official stat of the NHL?




If you want to nit pick at that, go right ahead. Bottom line is that we have a 4 year sample of games where he scored at a very similar rate. In the context of the conversation of what level of player Couturier was before his back injury. That clearly shows that he wasn't just a 30 goal 70 point player for one season. He scored at that similar level for 4 straight seasons. So you're saying we should project missed games into that. Okay, go ahead and do that. Tell me which games you think he should've missed and then we'll recalculate for that.

The numbers I provided are factual proof that Couturier scored at a similar level for 4 straight seasons.

There isn't anywhere where I stated, inferred or insinuated that Couturier was an amazing top center.






If someone states that they believe something. That is not offering something as a fact.



This is a fallacy. That Bruce Boudreau likely knows more you or I is an appeal to authority. If we use that standard, then we can never criticize any GM or coach because they also likely know more that you or I or anyone ever would. You can side with whomever you like. That's your prerogative.
Again, as I explained in my previous post. Before the deadline came, I believed there would be a market t trade JVR and I said that. After getting more information of how it played out and getting the reported facts. I concluded that there wasn't a market for JVR. There is no flip flopping involved. Nor did I make any absolute statements. You can call me out all you want. I welcome it.
- MJL

So you’re saying it’s ok to look at last 4 years as facts and proof of a players stats?

Ok fair enough. Let’s do that

Is it also NOT fair to look at the previous 7 years?


Let’s look at it reverse. Let’s say for example Crosby has bad tear this year. Only puts up 50 point… do we disregard all the previous years?


Or do we look at the whole picture? Take the average? Figure in things like injury progression regression etc etc etc.

You use this mythical “on pace” as a means for narrative to die on a hill that 90% simply see as Ludicrous.

Simply say I was wrong. I love coots. Idgaf I want him on my team. We all have players we feel this way about.

Defending your stance makes you sound EXACTLY like the guy you profess you want gone (cf)

...until you literally start telling everyone else they are wrong all the time if they disagree.
- black_francis

Relentlessly with page after page of opinion posts that he states as fact while not just telling people they are wrong, but by belittling the person with an arrogance rivaling a teenager.

Check Fletcher needs to be held to The Standard. I don't understand how this guy isn't clearly on the hot seat. Basically every challenge he's faced as GM, he's pulled the team through in worse shape.
- BulliesPhan87

Who was more incompetent:
A) Chuck Fletcher; or
B) Abraham Lincoln’s bodyguard

Who was more incompetent:
A) Chuck Fletcher; or
B) Abraham Lincoln’s bodyguard
- mikeyo27

That’s a tough one. Gotta go b tho

It's a significant failure.

I am not getting the vibe that a GM change is imminent. But I could be wrong.
- bmeltzer

Since you say that, it must be more to the story Fletcher told on the presser. Working the phones hard for 3 weeks. Only call came just before the tradeline ended. And on that short notice impossible to get a third team to make it feasible? I think the potential buyers teams scouts thought JVR wasn't worth spending assets on.

Not only is Chuck Fletcher incompetent, but he’s a bold face liar as well. “We want to build this the right way” Really, Cuckles? Is swapping 3 picks for D’Angelo building the right way? Is having no 2nd round picks the next 3 drafts building the right way? How bout spending to the cap? Is that more great team building?

If it wasn’t for nepotism and Clarke, this clown would be managing a store in a shopping mall. And he’d probably fail miserably at that. Rot in hell Comcast, you obviously don’t care about this team or its fanbase.

Not only is Chuck Fletcher incompetent, but he’s a bold face liar as well. “We want to build this the right way” Really, Cuckles? Is swapping 3 picks for D’Angelo building the right way? Is having no 2nd round picks the next 3 drafts building the right way? How bout spending to the cap? Is that more great team building?

If it wasn’t for nepotism and Clarke, this clown would be managing a store in a shopping mall. And he’d probably fail miserably at that. Rot in hell Comcast, you obviously don’t care about this team or its fanbase.
- BiggE

That's version 4.0 and the new viewpoint of the organization. Now they're back to doing it the right way. One of the scariest things you want to hear from the Flyers is that they're committed to doing it the right way. They clearly have no clue what the right way is.

Do I think the nonexistent pick for JVR is a big deal? Yes. The problem with that is why. At no other time can I recall thinking something this simple would be important. The fact is every missed step of any size from here on out is significant for the Flyers future.

I can’t get over the fact that when they traded Giroux last year the writing was on the wall for everyone to see that the Flyers would be rebuilding. Yet the messaging and decisions have not matched. Now without using the “re” in front of build, we are supposed to believe that is what is happening.

Scott really needs to hire a President of Hockey Ops that is separate from the GM role. Of course, neither role should be filled by Fletcher. The President reports to.Scott on the day to day and evaluates the performance of the GM. It is obvious Scott is incapable of evaluating GM performance. The ultimate outcome would be Comcast selling. Since that is not imminent, this should be the path forward.

From the Giroux trade until now…

Prospects/Picks Out
Rubtsov
Bunnaman
‘24–5th
‘24–2nd
‘23–3rd
‘22–4th
Ratcliffe

Prospects/Picks In
Tippett
‘23–3rd
‘24–1st
‘23–3rd
‘23–4th
‘22–7th
‘24–5th
‘23-6th

So they added a ‘23 3rd and 6th and upgraded the ‘24 2nd to a 1st. They are still missing a ‘23 2nd unless they can get one before the draft. And they have added zero number extra picks in the first two rounds of any upcoming draft. The rebuild is off and running…sigh.

Not only is Chuck Fletcher incompetent, but he’s a bold face liar as well. “We want to build this the right way” Really, Cuckles? Is swapping 3 picks for D’Angelo building the right way? Is having no 2nd round picks the next 3 drafts building the right way? How bout spending to the cap? Is that more great team building?

If it wasn’t for nepotism and Clarke, this clown would be managing a store in a shopping mall. And he’d probably fail miserably at that. Rot in hell Comcast, you obviously don’t care about this team or its fanbase.
- BiggE

Now this is the kind of post I can get behind.

I’m counting on the season ticket holders to really lay into everybody today. Hopefully people will be recording video and posting it on the line.

Flyers should issue Lemieux jersey # 66.
- PLindbergh31

Not only is Chuck Fletcher incompetent, but he’s a bold face liar as well. “We want to build this the right way” Really, Cuckles? Is swapping 3 picks for D’Angelo building the right way? Is having no 2nd round picks the next 3 drafts building the right way? How bout spending to the cap? Is that more great team building?

If it wasn’t for nepotism and Clarke, this clown would be managing a store in a shopping mall. And he’d probably fail miserably at that. Rot in hell Comcast, you obviously don’t care about this team or its fanbase.
- BiggE

Hopefully those 2nd round picks would have gotten a better fate than the highly prioritized second rounder Ratcliffe.

Chuck will be back 100% for another year as things stand today. Then he will hand it off to Danny boy.
- hello it's me 2050

Yzerman or Gorton with no interference on strategy from Comcast, would have been a remedy.

Is anybody watching ABC's pregame show, and if so, can they tell me why PK Subban is dressed like he's in a Bachman-Turner Overdrive cover band?

Flyers should issue Lemieux jersey # 66.
- PLindbergh31

That was a ugly tank between Devils and
pens! To get a franchise changing player.

Scott really needs to hire a President of Hockey Ops that is separate from the GM role. Of course, neither role should be filled by Fletcher. The President reports to.Scott on the day to day and evaluates the performance of the GM. It is obvious Scott is incapable of evaluating GM performance. The ultimate outcome would be Comcast selling. Since that is not imminent, this should be the path forward.
- Trox88

That guy needs to be an outsider with no connection to the Flyers. That has full autonomy for hockey decisions away from Scott, Fletcher and the other members of the country club. We know a full house cleaning is not going to happen so there really isn't any other option to hope for.

From the Giroux trade until now…

Prospects/Picks Out
Rubtsov
Bunnaman
‘24–5th
‘24–2nd
‘23–3rd
‘22–4th
Ratcliffe

Prospects/Picks In
Tippett
‘23–3rd
‘24–1st
‘23–3rd
‘23–4th
‘22–7th
‘24–5th
‘23-6th

So they added a ‘23 3rd and 6th and upgraded the ‘24 2nd to a 1st. They are still missing a ‘23 2nd unless they can get one before the draft. And they have added zero number extra picks in the first two rounds of any upcoming draft. The rebuild is off and running…sigh.
- NC Flyers Fan

Bunnaman. Haha! Haven't heard about that stiff in a while.
Since combining to play 286 games with the Flyers how many games has Bunnaman and VandeVelde combined to play in the NHL since?

The answer better not be (frank)ing zero.

Bunnaman. Haha! Haven't heard about that stiff in a while.
Since combining to play 286 games with the Flyers how many games has Bunnaman and VandeVelde combined to play in the NHL since?

The answer better not be (frank)ing zero.
- PLindbergh31

I think you missed the entire point of the post

Is anybody watching ABC's pregame show, and if so, can they tell me why PK Subban is dressed like he's in a Bachman-Turner Overdrive cover band?
- BaronVonShiznit

Maybe Lindsey Vonn isn’t picking out his clothes anymore.

That guy needs to be an outsider with no connection to the Flyers. That has full autonomy for hockey decisions away from Scott, Fletcher and the other members of the country club. We know a full house cleaning is not going to happen so there really isn't any other option to hope for.
- MJL

I agree. I believe it was Tomahawk who brought up the idea of Pronger being the President. I kind of like the idea. He is a former Flyer, but has worked in FLA and I believe the league office. I don't believe Scott is capable of hiring a complete outsider- example- Kevin Weekes. I think the best we can hope for as the next step is hiring a former Flyer who went away for awhile. Just like the Ron Hextall hiring.