no he is overapid as well.

So if the flyers add talent you think sanheim will get better? Isn't the sample size big enough to safely say this is what he is going forward? Can you put a % on what odds Sanheim improves.

Is is possible they see him in practice on the PP and do not like what they see. When you have numerous coaches not using him on the PP something is off. Cant be all the coaches are blind or dumb when there has been a lot of them.
- hello it's me 2050

Hextall drafted Sanheim in the first round much higher than he was projected to go because Hextall is the smartest guy in the arena of draft tables, don't you see? So the fact that Sanheim cannot defend nor consistently win puck battles, nor drive offense, nor play the PP is 100% solely on the horrible NHL coaches he has had who apparently have it out for Sanheim and most likely Hextall as well. Seems like a reasonable take to me

IMO yes I think Torts deserves consideration as the best coach in the league given the job he has done this year with this team, and this roster. However I also posted the definition of the Jack Adams award and clearly Torts would not be considered for that award given its parameters. However it does not at all diminish the job Torts has done with this team, a fact that for some reason you just don't want to admit. Like you posted about Tippet, you are just plain wrong that Tippet has done it on his own with just ice time, just plain wrong! Torts has helped Tippet understand who he is and how he needs to play to be successful. Torts has also harped on Tippet hitting the net with his shots throughout the season. Torts deserves credit for what Tippet has been doing this year, not JVR or anyone else, and its not simply getting ice time! And Risto for parts last season and this season has been the Flyers most steady defenseman, that is just a fact! Again, you may say I have problems with defenseman, well maybe so. But you definitely have problems with giving players and coaches credit when they are deserved simply because you don't like them, and that's sad.
- jd250

serious question, do you watch the games?

he is an archaic coach, tha cant be denied. he is adverse to skill and offense to a big extent. this is also fact.

can you break down how he has evolved?
- hello it's me 2050

I'll deny it. Show me evidence that Torts is an archaic coach this season. Show me how Torts has been adverse to skill and offense. With this roster? Are you kidding me?

serious question, do you watch the games?
- hello it's me 2050

Every single one, do you? What did I post here that demonstrates I haven't watched the games, unlike some on this forum that would rather look at natural stat trick instead.

Pens lose again last night! Hexy with another toe out the door! Hey, I gotta root for something.
- Phillywhiteout

You do know they won the previous 4 games?
They don't win when Desmith starts. Hextall's biggest mistake this TDL was not getting a better back up. Jarry is really good but injured alot.

https://twitter.com/Judas...5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=

good stuff

Every single one, do you? What did I post here that demonstrates I haven't watched the games, unlike some on this forum that would rather look at natural stat trick instead.
- jd250

they get outplayed in the high majority of their games. They get outshot. They get hemmed in their zone repeatedly. Bleed scoring chances. The offense is a joke. The PP an even bigger joke. This is not a good team. Yes they compete better though to me i attribute that to the new coach get a lift syndrome.

Sorry Torts doing this great job is just not true. How has he evolved?

unless the flyers have change of heart or someone like Roberts steps in out of the blue chuck will be back 100%.

The plan they have in place is for danny boy to become the GM after the 2023/34 season. Danny has told them he isn't ready yet. Now that may change though it doesn't sound like it as we sit here today.
- hello it's me 2050

I don’t think their “plan” has gone like it was supposed to. Gotta hand it to Fletcher…to drive an organization into the ground you really have to work at it. It doesn’t happen over night. Then to say we are not here to burn it down? We are going to scrape every point we can and try to win every game because everyone knows finishing 22nd over all is much better then finishing 27th. If credit is actually due to Scott and Fletcher it’s that their plan to add reclamation projects, mid 1rst round picks and 4th and 5th rnd diamonds in the rough (because he’s moved out all his 2nd rndr’s) all the while staying competitive enough to keep the building full.
It is innovative…no other GM has ever tried it….

https://twitter.com/JudasGray/status/1632119045322338304?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1632119045322338304%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=

good stuff
- hello it's me 2050

He's using ChatGPT?

I'll deny it. Show me evidence that Torts is an archaic coach this season. Show me how Torts has been adverse to skill and offense. With this roster? Are you kidding me?
- jd250

the evidence is seeing them play. You know what kind of player he likes. Pretty simple to how he is adverse to skill and offense.

Hell didn't he back when he was hired say something to the effect he doesn't understand offense.

Where were his PP ranked when he was in Columbus?

they get outplayed in the high majority of their games. They get outshot. They get hemmed in their zone repeatedly. Bleed scoring chances. The offense is a joke. The PP an even bigger joke. This is not a good team. Yes they compete better though to me i attribute that to the new coach get a lift syndrome.

Sorry Torts doing this great job is just not true. How has he evolved?
- hello it's me 2050

Torts has solved a couple of problems . Structure and effort (accountability). Other than that I think he’s correct when he says he will not be here when the Flyers are actually relevant again. I don’t get to worked up with the archaic comments simply because they lag a long way behind where it counts (skill and talent). Until that’s addressed this is what you are going to get. Can you imagine being a capped out team year after year and having so little skill and talent? How many mistake contracts actually add up to such a predicament?

Torts has solved a couple of problems . Structure and effort (accountability). Other than that I think he’s correct when he says he will not be here when the Flyers are actually relevant again. I don’t get to worked up with the archaic comments simply because they lag a long way behind where it counts (skill and talent). Until that’s addressed this is what you are going to get. Can you imagine being a capped out team year after year and having so little skill and talent? How many mistake contracts actually add up to such a predicament?
- landros 2

No. He’s here to build the foundation.

You do know they won the previous 4 games?
They don't win when Desmith starts. Hextall's biggest mistake this TDL was not getting a better back up. Jarry is really good but injured alot.
- rayc16

It must be go time in Pittsburgh after watching Hextall in action the last year or so. (I guess with Crosby, Malkin and Letang it’s always go time). If the deals he’s made of late are indicative of what he would’ve have done here I’m not sure anyone could possibly argue that the Flyers would have been successful if he had retained his job.
I was reading today over on the Athletic that the state of Pennsylvania has the two worst GM’s in pro sports. To be fair the one in Philly took first place.

Torts has solved a couple of problems . Structure and effort (accountability). Other than that I think he’s correct when he says he will not be here when the Flyers are actually relevant again. I don’t get to worked up with the archaic comments simply because they lag a long way behind where it counts (skill and talent). Until that’s addressed this is what you are going to get. Can you imagine being a capped out team year after year and having so little skill and talent? How many mistake contracts actually add up to such a predicament?
- landros 2

yes and no. He is getting the new coach lift. A lot of these players as a group are losers. Wish they were all moved and start new. This is another reason why this team is stagnant. Very minimal changes have been made.

This group will tune him out in time. Watched that you tube of him someone posted yesterday. Talked about we will see who will be here going forward and part of the future. Letting him having say in tha is scary as hell. He is a fraud in the sense of what he says then does.

It must be go time in Pittsburgh after watching Hextall in action the last year or so. (I guess with Crosby, Malkin and Letang it’s always go time). If the deals he’s made of late are indicative of what he would’ve have done here I’m not sure anyone could possibly argue that the Flyers would have been successful if he had retained his job.
I was reading today over on the Athletic that the state of Pennsylvania has the two worst GM’s in pro sports. To be fair the one in Philly took first place.
- landros 2

he has flat out failed in Pitt. Just a below average GM. Has done next to nothing to try for one last run with 3 future HOF players.

It must be go time in Pittsburgh after watching Hextall in action the last year or so. (I guess with Crosby, Malkin and Letang it’s always go time). If the deals he’s made of late are indicative of what he would’ve have done here I’m not sure anyone could possibly argue that the Flyers would have been successful if he had retained his job.
I was reading today over on the Athletic that the state of Pennsylvania has the two worst GM’s in pro sports. To be fair the one in Philly took first place.
- landros 2

Part of me wish the Pens had a legit chance just to make the Flyers look even worse. If they make the playoff, they're out in the first round.

I'll deny it. Show me evidence that Torts is an archaic coach this season. Show me how Torts has been adverse to skill and offense. With this roster? Are you kidding me?
- jd250

He routinely benches, scratches, moves players all over the place in the lineup as a "motivational" tactic. Like they're sixteen year old junior players.

While, at times and with certain players that may make sense, his handling of Sanheim and Frost, to me, is almost the equivalent of Fletcher's expenditures of assets and cap space to switch from Gostisbehere/Hagg to Ristolainen/DeAngelo.

He routinely benches, scratches, moves players all over the place in the lineup as a "motivational" tactic. Like they're sixteen year old junior players.

While, at times and with certain players that may make sense, his handling of Sanheim and Frost, to me, is almost the equivalent of Fletcher's expenditures of assets and cap space to switch from Gostisbehere/Hagg to Ristolainen/DeAngelo.
- GeorgeBailey

I really think Frost has grown his game this season and am happy with his progress. However, with Sanheim, I think it is mostly on the player, if it is not an injury…then it’s his mental approach. Many of his pairing assignments have been rough, especially mismatched with DeAngelo, but we have all seen him play better and be more aggressive up ice in the past, even when paired with Risto last year.

yes and no. He is getting the new coach lift. A lot of these players as a group are losers. Wish they were all moved and start new. This is another reason why this team is stagnant. Very minimal changes have been made.

This group will tune him out in time. Watched that you tube of him someone posted yesterday. Talked about we will see who will be here going forward and part of the future. Letting him having say in tha is scary as hell. He is a fraud in the sense of what he says then does.
- hello it's me 2050

When I speak of Torts I try to find the positives. Has he gotten that “new” coach lift? Probably. I actually like that he has forced Risto into sticking with the structure. I like that he sat Hayes and even TK early on for making high risk plays constantly that were il advised to say the least. I like that he sat Sanheim for poor play. (Maybe not in his home town)…These are things that never were addressed before in that manner. I mean Sanheim had a bad stretch this year, but had far worse periods that always seemed to go unchecked in the past. This in part of what I thought Torts was referring to earlier this week with his “minutia” comment. I didn’t take it as only a front office or Old guard interference situation.
Do I think he’s a Stanley cup caliber coach at this point ? Perhaps not. Do I think he has brought some long over due elements to the team. Yes I do.

Part of me wish the Pens had a legit chance just to make the Flyers look even worse. If they make the playoff, they're out in the first round.
- rayc16

I don’t like their odds in the playoffs at all. But with Crosby, he still has the ability to put a team on his back and pull an upset. I just don’t think they are anywhere as deep as some of the other Eastern Conference teams.

IMO yes I think Torts deserves consideration as the best coach in the league given the job he has done this year with this team, and this roster. However I also posted the definition of the Jack Adams award and clearly Torts would not be considered for that award given its parameters. However it does not at all diminish the job Torts has done with this team, a fact that for some reason you just don't want to admit. Like you posted about Tippet, you are just plain wrong that Tippet has done it on his own with just ice time, just plain wrong! Torts has helped Tippet understand who he is and how he needs to play to be successful. Torts has also harped on Tippet hitting the net with his shots throughout the season. Torts deserves credit for what Tippet has been doing this year, not JVR or anyone else, and its not simply getting ice time! And Risto for parts last season and this season has been the Flyers most steady defenseman, that is just a fact! Again, you may say I have problems with defenseman, well maybe so. But you definitely have problems with giving players and coaches credit when they are deserved simply because you don't like them, and that's sad.
- jd250

You posted multiple times that he should be the hands down winner. You posted the definition as if nobody knows what coach of the year is?
The facts are that this team is slightly improved. He has used a dummied down conservative and passive system to try to improve the team game. Yet they're still a poor defensive team and they are anemic offensively. There is nothing in what Tortorella has done that deserve coach of the year consideration. Instead of claiming facts, why not actually look at the facts? Tippet just needed ice time with talented players. If players hadn't been injured. Tippet wouldn't be getting the ice time that he has. Risotlainen remains the same mediocre stiff that he has always been. The system has hid him and his deficiencies.
No I don't have an issue giving players and coaches credit. Just not the players and coaches that you want me to give credit to. Nothing to do with not liking them and everything to do with the reality of the situation.

Here is what I look forward to. The inevitable day in the future when you turn on Tortorella and start calling him a bum and you'll act like you knew it all along. It will be the same pattern as when you were worshipping Fletcher as the GM who put the team on the very definition of a path to the Cup. That will be a very entertaining day.

Hextall drafted Sanheim in the first round much higher than he was projected to go because Hextall is the smartest guy in the arena of draft tables, don't you see? So the fact that Sanheim cannot defend nor consistently win puck battles, nor drive offense, nor play the PP is 100% solely on the horrible NHL coaches he has had who apparently have it out for Sanheim and most likely Hextall as well. Seems like a reasonable take to me
- jd250

These are jd250 facts, right? Seems to me a player who can't defend or win puck buttles. Can't drive offense and can't play on the PP. Wouldn't even be in the NHL, right? Sounds very similar to what you said about Frost when you said he was an AHL player.

I'll deny it. Show me evidence that Torts is an archaic coach this season. Show me how Torts has been adverse to skill and offense. With this roster? Are you kidding me?
- jd250

Playing a system that is conservative, doesn't pressure the puck. Doesn't defend the blueline with pressure. Doesn't take away time and space in the neutral zone and doesn't use five man multiple option breakouts that generate speed. His system bleeds shot and scoring chances and doesn't create speed or turnovers to create scoring chances and puck possession. If need be, I can supply the technical data that points all of this out. It's certainly not all on how Tortorella has the team play but it's a significant part of it.

When and if the Flyers actually get high end talent. His system and style of play will stifle and frustrate that talent. Just as it always has. He is stuck in the early 2000's with his methods and style of play.

they get outplayed in the high majority of their games. They get outshot. They get hemmed in their zone repeatedly. Bleed scoring chances. The offense is a joke. The PP an even bigger joke. This is not a good team. Yes they compete better though to me i attribute that to the new coach get a lift syndrome.

Sorry Torts doing this great job is just not true. How has he evolved?
- hello it's me 2050

The Flyers have been in about 85% of the game this season, which is a significant improvement from last year. When the Flyers do get outplayed it because they are facing a vastly superior team in terms of talent and speed of play. This is Tort's fault or his coaching staff, but is the simple reality that the Flyers lack the type of players that can compete with any team in the league. Its really not rocket science, Torts is getting the most out of what he has to work with.

Playing a system that is conservative, doesn't pressure the puck. Doesn't defend the blueline with pressure. Doesn't take away time and space in the neutral zone and doesn't use five man multiple option breakouts that generate speed. His system bleeds shot and scoring chances and doesn't create speed or turnovers to create scoring chances and puck possession. If need be, I can supply the technical data that points all of this out. It's certainly not all on how Tortorella has the team play but it's a significant part of it.

When and if the Flyers actually get high end talent. His system and style of play will stifle and frustrate that talent. Just as it always has. He is stuck in the early 2000's with his methods and style of play.
- MJL

You see, this is why I know you never came even close to playing hockey. With the roster Torts has to work with, this is the ONLY way he can play and compete. Torts is not here to tank, he is a professional hockey coach that wants to compete and win every single time he coaches a game, that is how he is wired. That is also how a true NHL professional player is wired. Without this basic foundation, no player can even get to the level of an NHL player. If and when Torts gets the top-end talent on this roster and still employs the same system as he does right now, I will gladly say I was wrong about Torts, but right now you cannot possibly use this season as a gauge as to how Torts has evolved or hasn't evolved as a coach.