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Boss34
Buffalo Sabres
Location: BUFFALO , NY
Joined: 12.03.2015

Mar 4 @ 6:42 PM ET
Thanks?
- Lunaion


😀😀😀

Well played
sabresfan69
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 06.26.2007

Mar 4 @ 7:14 PM ET
Sabres 4th hardest remaining schedule

https://www.tankathon.com...maining_schedule_strength

- lulags



Hank Balling
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 05.18.2021

Mar 4 @ 7:23 PM ET

- sabresfan69




Larry Greenway to the martin/cizikas line

Tuesday is the biggest game in over 10 years
Swedish_Jesus
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 07.02.2019

Mar 4 @ 7:31 PM ET
Analytics take emotions out of player judgement.

I think that’s a pretty underrated pushback to the anti-analytics crowd.

“Analytics are subjective” yet so are the opinions of people who judge with their eyes.

Victor Hedman is a first ballot hall of famer, he’s also having a rough 2022/2023 season.

Both can be true
Boss34
Buffalo Sabres
Location: BUFFALO , NY
Joined: 12.03.2015

Mar 4 @ 7:54 PM ET
Analytics take emotions out of player judgement.

I think that’s a pretty underrated pushback to the anti-analytics crowd.

“Analytics are subjective” yet so are the opinions of people who judge with their eyes.

Victor Hedman is a first ballot hall of famer, he’s also having a rough 2022/2023 season.

Both can be true

- Swedish_Jesus


Noticed hedman pair with bogo for a good portion of the game.

I see the Sabres pairing power with a meathead that he can cover for, and the meathead adding muscle /protection.


Wetbandit1
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Unpopular opinion (i think): The best Die Hard movie is the 4th one- Live free or Die Hard -jdfitz7, NY
Joined: 10.07.2010

Mar 4 @ 7:54 PM ET
Analytics take emotions out of player judgement.

I think that’s a pretty underrated pushback to the anti-analytics crowd.

“Analytics are subjective” yet so are the opinions of people who judge with their eyes.

Victor Hedman is a first ballot hall of famer, he’s also having a rough 2022/2023 season.

Both can be true

- Swedish_Jesus


Do they though? People see what they want to see. There's no such thing as an analytics robot making decisions. It's very much like poker and GTO. There's what the solver would do and then what humans actually do; even if they try and play as close to GTO as possible. There are always holes in any analytic. The job is to spot them better than the next guy.
ieetbred
Buffalo Sabres
Location: NY
Joined: 06.30.2011

Mar 4 @ 7:58 PM ET
Analytics take emotions out of player judgement.

I think that’s a pretty underrated pushback to the anti-analytics crowd.

“Analytics are subjective” yet so are the opinions of people who judge with their eyes.

Victor Hedman is a first ballot hall of famer, he’s also having a rough 2022/2023 season.

Both can be true

- Swedish_Jesus


He most definitely got away with delay of game
Swedish_Jesus
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 07.02.2019

Mar 4 @ 8:06 PM ET
Do they though? People see what they want to see. There's no such thing as an analytics robot making decisions. It's very much like poker and GTO. There's what the solver would do and then what humans actually do; even if they try and play as close to GTO as possible. There are always holes in any analytic. The job is to spot them better than the next guy.
- Wetbandit1


There will be tracking error in anything, however, you can same the same about the eye test too.

Just like there are good and bad hockey players, there are good and bad scouts.

Also emotion dictates logic, not the other way around.

The best decision makers use all of the information they have available to them.

But there are still scouts and GM’s that drool over the Erik Gudbransons and Ben Chiarot’s of the world because of misguided ideologies, and wonder why they are getting caved in on a nightly basis.

The analytics only show data points, doesn’t take into account who the player is, what the player has accomplished, and just judges a player by what’s happening on the ice.

I’d argue analytics has much less tracking error then the average human because of that
Lunaion
Joined: 05.23.2016

Mar 4 @ 8:30 PM ET
Mitts, Cozens, Vinny has been a decent 2nd line. Any chance Greenway doesn't simply swap in for Vinny and we see a significant lineup change? Recent performance says yes, but Donnie has resisted sitting certain guys all year. Is it time?
Stripes77
Referee
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Where ever Matt Ellis allows me to be, NY
Joined: 07.30.2012

Mar 4 @ 8:35 PM ET
Mitts, Cozens, Vinny has been a decent 2nd line. Any chance Greenway doesn't simply swap in for Vinny and we see a significant lineup change? Recent performance says yes, but Donnie has resisted sitting certain guys all year. Is it time?
- Lunaion


I think JJ or Olofsson should be up in the presser…
TheSabresTaco
Buffalo Sabres
Location: For me. jack Eichel is bobby ryan….that's it. - Octavarium, NY
Joined: 05.05.2011

Mar 4 @ 8:48 PM ET
I think JJ or Olofsson should be up in the presser…
- Stripes77


love JJ, hit the bench for a game or two.
Stripes77
Referee
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Where ever Matt Ellis allows me to be, NY
Joined: 07.30.2012

Mar 4 @ 8:51 PM ET
love JJ, hit the bench for a game or two.
- TheSabresTaco


JJ will get more out of it than Vic anyway.
turbo044
Joined: 02.18.2009

Mar 4 @ 8:56 PM ET
Noticed hedman pair with bogo for a good portion of the game.

I see the Sabres pairing power with a meathead that he can cover for, and the meathead adding muscle /protection.

- Boss34


I think we all appreciate him but it should be stated how good Power is going to end up being. T be as good as he is now at 19, playing the minutes he plays is really u heard of. Hom and Dahlin are going to do special things. We need one more top 4 d (why I wanted chychrun so much). They guy we drafted in third rd last year (rhd) has a chance to be special but it’ll take a couple of years. He had 5 points last night
Ratsreign
Florida Panthers
Location: Mo can stay awhile, FL
Joined: 10.27.2017

Mar 4 @ 8:57 PM ET
Penguins gain no ground

Panthers still alive and kicking.

still 2 spots available
Boss34
Buffalo Sabres
Location: BUFFALO , NY
Joined: 12.03.2015

Mar 4 @ 9:03 PM ET
I think JJ or Olofsson should be up in the presser…
- Stripes77


I really like kyle okposo the person, he is getting excruciatingly slower. Painful to watch him backcheck or try and breakaway.

Obviously the Sabres do not bench the captain, I think the same goes for the guy they just paid 4.75m .....

Quinn looks like such a professional goal scorer already.
Swedish_Jesus
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 07.02.2019

Mar 4 @ 9:04 PM ET
love JJ, hit the bench for a game or two.
- TheSabresTaco


Yeah, as much as I’d love to see Vic sit for a few games it will never happen due to his presence on PP1.

Greenway-Krebs-Olofsson with JJ taking a view upstairs for a game makes sense.

Could also see JJ taking Vinny’s spot on the Cozens line and him hitting the press box.

Guess we’ll find out
Boss34
Buffalo Sabres
Location: BUFFALO , NY
Joined: 12.03.2015

Mar 4 @ 9:06 PM ET
Mitts, Cozens, Vinny has been a decent 2nd line. Any chance Greenway doesn't simply swap in for Vinny and we see a significant lineup change? Recent performance says yes, but Donnie has resisted sitting certain guys all year. Is it time?
- Lunaion


Gotta be peterka right? Maybe krebs every other game?

Although krebs really does what it takes to stay in the lineup. He's the poster boy for utility knife player.
Lunaion
Joined: 05.23.2016

Mar 4 @ 9:07 PM ET
I really like kyle okposo the person, he is getting excruciatingly slower. Painful to watch him backcheck or try and breakaway.

Obviously the Sabres do not bench the captain, I think the same goes for the guy they just paid 4.75m .....

Quinn looks like such a professional goal scorer already.

- Boss34


Comfortable with those reasons? Don't you have to do what's best to try to win at this point?
Mentalorgasm5
Buffalo Sabres
Location: "F-" Robert, NY
Joined: 06.29.2007

Mar 4 @ 9:07 PM ET
The deal was Savoie, Samuelsson and a 1st for Chychrun and Adams said that Savoie was off-limits as was Ostlund. Just like I said the deal was and Adams told Armstrong to go pound sand.
- SABRES 89
rightfully so
TheSabresTaco
Buffalo Sabres
Location: For me. jack Eichel is bobby ryan….that's it. - Octavarium, NY
Joined: 05.05.2011

Mar 4 @ 9:13 PM ET
Comfortable with those reasons? Don't you have to do what's best to try to win at this point?
- Lunaion


comes down to who is providing more overall value in the moment. my guess is, that's kyle.

plus this org is comfortable benching rookies, and it works.
Boss34
Buffalo Sabres
Location: BUFFALO , NY
Joined: 12.03.2015

Mar 4 @ 9:15 PM ET
Comfortable with those reasons? Don't you have to do what's best to try to win at this point?
- Lunaion


I'm not sure greenway scores more goals than olofsson the remainder of the season.

He has 2 goals in 40+ games this season.

That's not a winning move
Boss34
Buffalo Sabres
Location: BUFFALO , NY
Joined: 12.03.2015

Mar 4 @ 9:19 PM ET
comes down to who is providing more overall value in the moment. my guess is, that's kyle.

plus this org is comfortable benching rookies, and it works.

- TheSabresTaco


I know you like kyle too, this is his last ride......

I'm 99% sure okposo will not be on this team next year, unless he's nursing an injury of some sort?
Stripes77
Referee
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Where ever Matt Ellis allows me to be, NY
Joined: 07.30.2012

Mar 4 @ 9:31 PM ET
I'm not sure greenway scores more goals than olofsson the remainder of the season.

He has 2 goals in 40+ games this season.

That's not a winning move

- Boss34


It’s playoff hockey the rest of the season.

I don’t think based on what we’ve seen the last month, that Vic has that game in him. But like what’s been posted the rookie sits first.

Greenway is playing every game the rest of the way. They don’t trade for him to sit him.
Lunaion
Joined: 05.23.2016

Mar 4 @ 9:37 PM ET
I'm not sure greenway scores more goals than olofsson the remainder of the season.

He has 2 goals in 40+ games this season.

That's not a winning move

- Boss34


Sounds like you want to sit Greenway then?
Boss34
Buffalo Sabres
Location: BUFFALO , NY
Joined: 12.03.2015

Mar 4 @ 9:47 PM ET
It’s playoff hockey the rest of the season.

I don’t think based on what we’ve seen the last month, that Vic has that game in him. But like what’s been posted the rookie sits first.

Greenway is playing every game the rest of the way. They don’t trade for him to sit him.

- Stripes77


Good post

I could see olofsson get moved in the offseason, the streakyness has to be a grind on management as well.

Tampa was very dirty again today. Sabres responded.
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