Torts could come out every season throughout the duration of his contract and say the team is going to suck. It shouldn't surprise anyone.

I feel so bad for the next GM.
- Pelle31Forever

He ain't lying though he isn't part of the solution to turning it around. all he is doing is trying for lack of a better word tread water. He does not like offense nor does he understand it.

I just do not think you understand how the NHL works. JVR will get a 2-3 round pick on his own. You should not take on salary (see Shayne Ghostibehere) of a player that has zero value without making the other team pay for it. If Greenway had value he would get traded for a return. Maybe that still happens. All reports point to the Wild trying to dump his salary though.
- mickel25

Ghost had term remaining on his contract, so not sure what point your trying to make. The Wild can take on JVR's full 7 mill salary and would still have room to play with.

My point is the wild have no incentive to offer up anything OTHER than Greenway to get JVR unless they REALLY want to clear Greenways cap hit for next year THAT badly. The only reason I see that happening is because they think they'll need all the space they can get to give extensions to Addison and Dumba, which is very possible.

Good thing the Flyers got rid of that guy! They don't need players like that. They need 200 foot players, not 160 foot players that send backhand sauce for breakaway goals.

- Letterkenney

CC was not part of the solution. It was wise to move on. Having him on the team today wouldn't solve or accomplish anything.

LOL, first of all Bill Guerin is not a great GM. Secondly and most importantly. The league is full of GM's and hockey execs who were ex players. Being an ex player and claiming to know the game is not a reason to believe that someone would make a great GM. Those so called qualities do not automatically translate to being a great GM. So what legitimate reason is there to believe that Briere would make a great GM?
- MJL

Well, he did get an MBA in sports management at Wharton. I mean, there's always that..... right????

When the Wild signed Guerin as their GM, they were 6th in the Central and missed the playoffs. They've made the playoffs all 3 years since then and have finished no lower than 3rd in their division.

Despite his team being in playoff contention, he's acquired 3 extra draft picks over the course of the season because him and his management team are good at managing their cap. That's why they've been facilitating 3 way trades and happily eating contracts of players that aren't on their team.


- mochoson

It seems as though you and I have a completely different definition of what a great GM is.

Danny Briere has been learning the management ropes since 2017. He's already matriculated up from ECHL management to NHL management since then. While that's not a ton of experience, I think combined with his experience as a player that he'd make a great GM.

We'll have to agree to disagree on both points.
- mochoson

So moving up from the ECHL to basically intern with an NHL team as well as being a past NHL player will make him a great GM. Again, we have different qualities to look at that will make a great GM

To sum this up, I have no idea how good of a GM Briere could be and neither do you. What I do know is that Briere has been interning and mentored under a completely dysfunctional NHL hockey department. From the top down. I've seen zero evidence that Briere has made any difference whatsoever since he came on board. As unfair as that may be. That is the reality.

Here is what I want. I want a complete outsider with no ties whatsoever to the Flyers to come in and complete change how the Flyers do everything.

I know exactly what kind of player Greenway is. 3 million isn't a hard contract to move in todays NHL at all. In my opinion, he's more than worth taking a flyer on if all your giving up is a guy you wont be resigning anyway.

He was averaging close to 10 goals and 30 points before having off-season surgery. He missed training camp and was back on IR after 1 game. He's only "struggling" because he hasn't been able to consistently stay on the ice. It seems to me you just looked at Greenways stats on the season and just assumed he regressed...?

3 million a season for a 26 year old with double digit goal and 30+ point potential who also plays physical is absolutely, positively, under no circumstances an overpayment.
- mochoson

you make some good points but again, the Flyers have the depth where he would play, at a lower cost, the money needs to be spent elsewhere

That’s stretching it…



I’ll show myself out.
- Big_E_88

Dude that's pretty clever 👏

CC was not part of the solution. It was wise to move on. Having him on the team today wouldn't solve or accomplish anything.
- hello it's me 2050

Read it again. I'm not speaking of CC specifically but of those type of players. Get your head in the game, hello!

I know exactly what kind of player Greenway is. 3 million isn't a hard contract to move in todays NHL at all. In my opinion, he's more than worth taking a flyer on if all your giving up is a guy you wont be resigning anyway.

He was averaging close to 10 goals and 30 points before having off-season surgery. He missed training camp and was back on IR after 1 game. He's only "struggling" because he hasn't been able to consistently stay on the ice. It seems to me you just looked at Greenways stats on the season and just assumed he regressed...?

3 million a season for a 26 year old with double digit goal and 30+ point potential who also plays physical is absolutely, positively, under no circumstances an overpayment.
- mochoson

No, you clearly don't know what kind of player n is if you think swapping JVR for him is a good deal for the Flyers.

3M for a 12 goal 30 point player when you're in the Flyers position of being one of the worst teams in the league, is a massive overpayment.

He ain't lying though he isn't part of the solution to turning it around. all he is doing is trying for lack of a better word tread water. He does not like offense nor does he understand it.
- hello it's me 2050

I agree with that part. My main point is I wouldn't get worked up over Torts stating the obvious.

It seems as though you and I have a completely different definition of what a great GM is.




So moving up from the ECHL to basically intern with an NHL team as well as being a past NHL player will make him a great GM. Again, we have different qualities to look at that will make a great GM

To sum this up, I have no idea how good of a GM Briere could be and neither do you. What I do know is that Briere has been interning and mentored under a completely dysfunctional NHL hockey department. From the top down. I've seen zero evidence that Briere has made any difference whatsoever since he came on board. As unfair as that may be. That is the reality.

Here is what I want. I want a complete outsider with no ties whatsoever to the Flyers to come in and complete change how the Flyers do everything.
- MJL

I think you could get a good read on Briere year 1. The Flyers being where they are, would give him cover to do what he feels is best. I don't see him as a yes man, or at least I will not assume he is, I have no issue trying it, after all, we have years to figure this out.

It seems as though you and I have a completely different definition of what a great GM is.




So moving up from the ECHL to basically intern with an NHL team as well as being a past NHL player will make him a great GM. Again, we have different qualities to look at that will make a great GM

To sum this up, I have no idea how good of a GM Briere could be and neither do you. What I do know is that Briere has been interning and mentored under a completely dysfunctional NHL hockey department. From the top down. I've seen zero evidence that Briere has made any difference whatsoever since he came on board. As unfair as that may be. That is the reality.

Here is what I want. I want a complete outsider with no ties whatsoever to the Flyers to come in and complete change how the Flyers do everything.
- MJL

Who would hire Ronald Hextall or Guerin if those are your 2 choices

Ghost had term remaining on his contract, so not sure what point your trying to make. The Wild can take on JVR's full 7 mill salary and would still have room to play with.

My point is the wild have no incentive to offer up anything OTHER than Greenway to get JVR unless they REALLY want to clear Greenways cap hit for next year THAT badly. The only reason I see that happening is because they think they'll need all the space they can get to give extensions to Addison and Dumba, which is very possible.
- mochoson

Greenway has term remaining on his contract.

Say hypothetically the Flyers were to put a trade package together for McDavid, what would it look like?

I agree with that part. My main point is I wouldn't get worked up over Torts stating the obvious.
- Pelle31Forever

anyone that gest worked up well i better watch what I say.....

Torts took the 16 million, as he should. He ain't got a care in the world. He will do and say as he please at this stage. Will not care one iota who he "pisses" off. What's the worse case scenario in Tort eyes? Getting fired or staying on the job!!!

I think you could get a good read on Briere year 1. The Flyers being where they are, would give him cover to do what he feels is best. I don't see him as a yes man, or at least I will not assume he is, I have no issue trying it, after all, we have years to figure this out.
- wcorvette

Do you honestly think with the position the Flyers are in that they should put a guy in the GM spot to get a good read on him for the first year or they should "try it"? If that's the prospective, you've got the wrong guy.

Say hypothetically the Flyers were to put a trade package together for McDavid, what would it look like?
- PLindbergh31

It would have to include percentage ownership in the Eagles and Phillies somehow.

Guerin's a really weird example. I would have offered Sakic or Yzerman if I were trying to make that point lol.
- Tomahawk

Very weird and puzzling.

Say hypothetically the Flyers were to put a trade package together for McDavid, what would it look like?
- PLindbergh31

$100 million in Comcast stock plus the next 10 years firsts.

I've seen zero evidence that Briere has made any difference whatsoever since he came on board. As unfair as that may be. That is the reality.
- MJL

Yikes. Yeah, I think that's quite unfair and this is clearly where we differ.

Here is what I want. I want a complete outsider with no ties whatsoever to the Flyers to come in and complete change how the Flyers do everything.

Well then I guess I'm just more of a realist than you. Until Comcast sells this team, you're never going to see such a hire.

The Flyers love hiring former players and "company/culture" guys. If my choice is between career management types like Fletcher or guys who actually played the game like Danny Briere, it's a no brainer.

Let me phrase it this way: if the only quality truly required for being the Flyers GM is towing the line and following the vision Comcast has for the team every year, at least give me someone who's actually played the game at a high level. If both guys are effectively just "yes men", at least give me the "yes man" who can occasionally contribute and speak on his own experiences as a player. Chuck and career management types like him have nothing to contribute in such conversations.

Greenway has term remaining on his contract.

- MJL

I've stated that myself several times in my post so not sure what's so funny...?

Since you seem confused, we're talking about the Flyers being compensated with a 2nd or 3rd round pick for sending back JVR at 3.5m instead of 7mil.

I'm saying that makes absolutely no sense because the Wild don't need the Flyers to eat any of JVR's cap space, because they have more than enough space to fit him in through the end of season.

The Wild are dumb if they offer that high of a pick AND Greenway for JVR. They should just keep Greenway at that point and hope he rebounds from his injury. They're cap situation isn't bad at all.

Just a reminder that there's no leash for posts that break the CoC on deadline day. People will just get a time out and you can enjoy the discussion from the sidelines.

Do you honestly think with the position the Flyers are in that they should put a guy in the GM spot to get a good read on him for the first year or they should "try it"? If that's the prospective, you've got the wrong guy.
- MJL

I don't think they will, I think they will put him in because that is their plan, they will give him years, we will see what he is really like year 1. I tend to be practical, wishing for what I want to happen is a waste of time, you might as well deal in what will most likely happen.

Yikes. Yeah, I think that's quite unfair and this is clearly where we differ.



Well then I guess I'm just more of a realist than you. Until Comcast sells this team, you're never going to see such a hire.

The Flyers love hiring former players and "company/culture" guys. If my choice is between career management types like Fletcher or guys who actually played the game like Danny Briere, it's a no brainer.

Let me phrase it this way: if the only quality truly required for being the Flyers GM is towing the line and following the vision Comcast has for the team every year, at least give me someone who's actually played the game at a high level. If both guys are effectively just "yes men", at least give me the "yes man" who can occasionally contribute and speak on his own experiences as a player. Chuck and career management types like him have nothing to contribute in such conversations.
- mochoson

You forget that Clarke, Holmgren, and Hextall ALL were players and turned out to be bad GMs. Why will Briere be different?

Yawn