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MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Feb 28 @ 9:38 AM ET
The reason the Flyers don’t score goals is because they badly lack speed and skill amongst their forward group. It’s only going to be worse with TK out.

Other teams aren’t exactly shaking in their skates when facing the offensive juggernaut that is Hayes/Frost/Tippett/Farabee et al.

Now add in a D that lacks top pairing talent and, unless the goaltender stands on his head, you get a team that will be “lucky” to win more than 3 or 4 games the rest of this season.

Congrats Cuckles, you took over a bad team and now, over 4 years later, it’s worse.

- BiggE


The Flyers don't do anything systems or strategy wise to generate team speed. Boston is one of the best offensive teams in the league. Now certainly they have far more top offensive talent but last year, Boston was middle of the pack offensively with the same offensive players. Their coach has come in and made changes to generate speed, possession and has refined their offense. A true difference making coach.
Flyerzzzz
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 01.12.2007

Feb 28 @ 9:41 AM ET
Fletcher has objectively failed and has to go. If you review his moves it’s quite remarkable. He behaves like a guy who knows he’s on a short leash and can’t afford to develop a real plan so we swings wildly for the fences. I’m old enough to remember the Flyers cups (barely) and it’s never been worse. They have become a laughingstock. Scott needs to fire Fletcher immediately after the season, bring in an outside GM (no Briere) with no Flyers connection and give that person 5 years to implement a legitimate plan. I think the fans would accept that. It’s time.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Feb 28 @ 9:41 AM ET
Fletcher's MO is to double down versus cut bait. With Risto it was clear he gave up waayy too much to get him for what he brings and yet Fletcher signed him to a ridiculous 5 year extension. Fletcher gave up 3 more picks for DeAngelo and again signed him to an extension. He is not going to cut bait now, no way. Yesterday Torts signaled during his presser that he believes DeAngelo is part of the solution here, stating DeAngelo has one of the best first passes out of his own end in the league. To be honest I have never heard a coach praise a defenseman in this way and for a second I wondered if Torts was just trying to prop up DeAngelo's trade value. But then again Torts has been nothing but brutally honest in his pressers this year, so maybe he really meant it. To conclude, I can't see Fletcher giving up on DeAngelo any time soon.
- jd250


It was clear with Ristolainen that they gave up too much? Are you kidding me. When that move was made, you labeled as part of a plan that put the team on the path to the cup! Revisionist history.

Tortorella has been brutally honest? No he hasn't! He's full of crap the majority of the time.
mochoson
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: Josi is the most overrated player in the nhl. He isnt even close to a top ten. - James_Tanner, NJ
Joined: 02.28.2009

Feb 28 @ 9:41 AM ET
I think Danny Briere would be a great GM. At least we'd have somebody in there who's actually played in the NHL fairly recently and can claim to know the game.

Chuck Fletcher is a business man pretending to know hockey. Danny Briere would be a hockey player LARPing as a businessman.

Give me the guy who at least knows the sport and had skin in the game as a player himself as opposed to a career nepotism hire who at his core is just a "yes" man.
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Feb 28 @ 9:42 AM ET
One of Benson, Moore, Smith, Michkov or Yager would be nice. Dark horse would be Jayden Perron.

Benson strikes me as a bit like a Brayden Point on draft day. Extremely aware and gifted all-around offensive threat, but is small and needs to work on his skating.

Smith and Moore are really crafty and deceptive playmakers. Both are 'new NHL' kind of players -- smaller, deceptive and quick. Moore's a terrific skater.

Michkov is Michkov. Tools are awesome, but some questions about his awareness (tunnel vision attacker) and he's Russian and under contract, so maybe he drops a bit (or a lot).

And Yager is legit one of the best pure offensive threats in the draft. Really high end shooting ability.

Perron is a supremely confident and shifty puck carrier who has strong ice awareness. Seems like he could be a bit of a riser on draft day.

- Tomahawk

So Michkov could be the next Malkin or the next Pavel Zacha?

Thank you for this. I think I’ve checked out of recent drafts. They all can’t be 2003 but how many drafts in the last 10 years have changed the way the league is viewed the way that draft class did?
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Feb 28 @ 9:43 AM ET
I think Danny Briere would be a great GM. At least we'd have somebody in there who's actually played in the NHL fairly recently and can claim to know the game.

Chuck Fletcher is a business man pretending to know hockey. Danny Briere would be a hockey player LARPing as a businessman.

Give me the guy who at least knows the sport and had skin in the game as a player himself as opposed to a career nepotism hire who at his core is just a "yes" man.

- mochoson

The way Yzerman, Sakic and Drury have impact their current franchises, I cannot wait to see what Briere might offer.
flyersfan_92
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Lansdale, PA
Joined: 09.15.2005

Feb 28 @ 9:46 AM ET
Btw I stayed classy and didn’t rub in the Eagles loss until now. Lol. I told you guys. They shouldn’t even got pass the 9 ers. Got a free ride into the Super Bowl.
- Keyser soze


(frank) off
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Feb 28 @ 9:47 AM ET
I think Danny Briere would be a great GM. At least we'd have somebody in there who's actually played in the NHL fairly recently and can claim to know the game.

Chuck Fletcher is a business man pretending to know hockey. Danny Briere would be a hockey player LARPing as a businessman.

Give me the guy who at least knows the sport and had skin in the game as a player himself as opposed to a career nepotism hire who at his core is just a "yes" man.

- mochoson


Somehow I don't think the qualities you list translate to a great GM.
TobyFlenderson
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: The Annex, Scranton, PA
Joined: 06.13.2013

Feb 28 @ 9:48 AM ET
So Michkov could be the next Malkin or the next Pavel Zacha?

Thank you for this. I think I’ve checked out of recent drafts. They all can’t be 2003 but how many drafts in the last 10 years have changed the way the league is viewed the way that draft class did?

- SuperSchennBros

2015 might be better when all is said and done
missingmike
Joined: 07.08.2011

Feb 28 @ 9:51 AM ET
Can we trade Chuck for future considerations?
- bird_dog_pa

Only if Flyers retain salary and never call that team again
mochoson
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: Josi is the most overrated player in the nhl. He isnt even close to a top ten. - James_Tanner, NJ
Joined: 02.28.2009

Feb 28 @ 9:52 AM ET
1. JVR for Greenway straight up would be a win. I'd be ecstatic if a 3rd round pick came back. If eating 50% of JVRS salary gets us a 2nd or a 3rd you do that in a heartbeat. Greenway is only 26 and has a cheaper contract for a solid 3rd/4th line winger.

2. Take anything at all you can get for Braun and Brown.

3. Would definitely explore trading Hayes or one of Provorov/DeAngelo at the trade deadline, and then re-visit whoever remains during the off-season.

-Have to take advantage of any potential interest in Hayes just to move his contract and give the Flyers more long term flexibility.

-DeAngelo is more of a detriment on a team this bad. His shortcomings are less notable on a well balanced team but stick out like a sore thumb on this roster. Take literally anything you can get for him, return isn't important.

-Provorov is mostly about just changing up a defense that hasn't looked good in 5+ years. He would bring us the best return and it would open up more opportunity for York to flourish. Under no circumstances should all 4 of Provorov, Sanheim, Risto and DeAngelo be on this roster next year. Because the latter two are much harder to move, I think you have to look at a change of scenery for Provorov or Sanheim. There's no doubt in my mind who the Flyers would rather keep between those two.


hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Feb 28 @ 9:53 AM ET
Clearly the problem with the Flyers was Claude Giroux all along. Everything's been awesome since he was removed from the team.
- Feanor

another early golf course action for CC
mochoson
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: Josi is the most overrated player in the nhl. He isnt even close to a top ten. - James_Tanner, NJ
Joined: 02.28.2009

Feb 28 @ 9:53 AM ET
Somehow I don't think the qualities you list translate to a great GM.
- MJL


Bill Guerin and the Wild would disagree.
landros 2
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Centre of universe
Joined: 02.07.2007

Feb 28 @ 9:53 AM ET
Btw I stayed classy and didn’t rub in the Eagles loss until now. Lol. I told you guys. They shouldn’t even got pass the 9 ers. Got a free ride into the Super Bowl.
- Keyser soze


Free ride?
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Feb 28 @ 9:57 AM ET
So Michkov could be the next Malkin or the next Pavel Zacha?

Thank you for this. I think I’ve checked out of recent drafts. They all can’t be 2003 but how many drafts in the last 10 years have changed the way the league is viewed the way that draft class did?

- SuperSchennBros



The worst part is when you go on all the mock drafts, it's nice to get a pick in the top 7. But then, when you go to the next round, and see the Flyers have no pick, then hitting on that first pick becomes essential.

This is as close to a make or break draft a team can have. They cannot afford another first round miss. Especially when they traded all their picks away.




wcorvette
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Boynton Beach, FL
Joined: 10.03.2010

Feb 28 @ 10:02 AM ET
(frank) off
- flyersfan_92


yes, you have an instant classic super bowl and one team didn't deserve to be there, just white noise
wcorvette
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Boynton Beach, FL
Joined: 10.03.2010

Feb 28 @ 10:02 AM ET
I love that Claude's doing so well in Ottawa, clicking w/ Stutzle, and Sens fans calling him their best UFA signing ever. Love it.

So glad he's far away from this hell hole.

- Tomahawk


yeah 4 point night last night, like checking his stats
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Feb 28 @ 10:03 AM ET
The fact they do not want to trade Seller reeks incompetence. You turned a non-asset into an asset. Take the 5th rd pick and move along. You can find a seeler during the summer. He is not part of the future. Call up a dman and let them get acclimated and a head start for next year. They would be better served that way to get up to speed. Bad asset management to keep him. He is s torts guy and it is clear who is running the roster and involved with who stays/goes.

If they can get a 7th for brown that’s a huge win.

There is no end in sight for when this will get better. They have not even hit rock bottom in their eyes.
wcorvette
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Boynton Beach, FL
Joined: 10.03.2010

Feb 28 @ 10:05 AM ET
The worst part is when you go on all the mock drafts, it's nice to get a pick in the top 7. But then, when you go to the next round, and see the Flyers have no pick, then hitting on that first pick becomes essential.

This is as close to a make or break draft a team can have. They cannot afford another first round miss. Especially when they traded all their picks away.

- MBFlyerfan


agree with this, they need to find a 2nd. I know everyone angry with the franchise, but the only way the season plays out better is if the Flyers win the lottery. They played some good games, we saw some growth and now they are losing when we need them to. I don't like TK getting hurt, puts an asterisk on his season.

Hope the kids find some success, Hart plays well and the Flyers land 6-7th.
mickel25
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Morgantown, PA
Joined: 01.21.2011

Feb 28 @ 10:08 AM ET
1. JVR for Greenway straight up would be a win. I'd be ecstatic if a 3rd round pick came back. If eating 50% of JVRS salary gets us a 2nd or a 3rd you do that in a heartbeat. Greenway is only 26 and has a cheaper contract for a solid 3rd/4th line winger.

- mochoson


JVR with 50% retained should net a conditional 3rd at worst. Taking on Greenway's salary should net no less than a 2nd in my opinion. Flyers do not need to add more contracts to there future salary cap prison.
wcorvette
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Boynton Beach, FL
Joined: 10.03.2010

Feb 28 @ 10:08 AM ET
1. JVR for Greenway straight up would be a win. I'd be ecstatic if a 3rd round pick came back. If eating 50% of JVRS salary gets us a 2nd or a 3rd you do that in a heartbeat. Greenway is only 26 and has a cheaper contract for a solid 3rd/4th line winger.

2. Take anything at all you can get for Braun and Brown.

3. Would definitely explore trading Hayes or one of Provorov/DeAngelo at the trade deadline, and then re-visit whoever remains during the off-season.

-Have to take advantage of any potential interest in Hayes just to move his contract and give the Flyers more long term flexibility.

-DeAngelo is more of a detriment on a team this bad. His shortcomings are less notable on a well balanced team but stick out like a sore thumb on this roster. Take literally anything you can get for him, return isn't important.

-Provorov is mostly about just changing up a defense that hasn't looked good in 5+ years. He would bring us the best return and it would open up more opportunity for York to flourish. Under no circumstances should all 4 of Provorov, Sanheim, Risto and DeAngelo be on this roster next year. Because the latter two are much harder to move, I think you have to look at a change of scenery for Provorov or Sanheim. There's no doubt in my mind who the Flyers would rather keep between those two.

- mochoson


Wing is the place they need help, except Goal, I would rather have the pick
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Feb 28 @ 10:11 AM ET
So Michkov could be the next Malkin or the next Pavel Zacha?
- SuperSchennBros


Mmm, he actually reminds me of a slightly bigger, more shooting-focused, MSL in a lot of ways, and I think that would probably be his ceiling.
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Feb 28 @ 10:14 AM ET
yeah 4 point night last night, like checking his stats
- wcorvette


That cross-ice backhand home run pass to Tkachuk...



MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Feb 28 @ 10:18 AM ET
1. JVR for Greenway straight up would be a win. I'd be ecstatic if a 3rd round pick came back. If eating 50% of JVRS salary gets us a 2nd or a 3rd you do that in a heartbeat. Greenway is only 26 and has a cheaper contract for a solid 3rd/4th line winger.

- mochoson


JVR for Greenway straight up is a ridiculously bad move.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Feb 28 @ 10:20 AM ET
Bill Guerin and the Wild would disagree.
- mochoson


LOL, first of all Bill Guerin is not a great GM. Secondly and most importantly. The league is full of GM's and hockey execs who were ex players. Being an ex player and claiming to know the game is not a reason to believe that someone would make a great GM. Those so called qualities do not automatically translate to being a great GM. So what legitimate reason is there to believe that Briere would make a great GM?
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