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MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Feb 28 @ 2:14 PM ET
The quote from earlier is getting the headlines, but the standout thing for me was that Chuck basically admitted that the "retool" is dead and they've downshifted to a league-standard rebuild posture. Talked about maybe moving older guys out and getting younger, giving more prospects a chance to win a job in the lineup. All things we've wanted to hear for awhile now.
- Tomahawk


Dave Scott should be utterly embarrassed. I want his head on a plate metaphorically.
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Feb 28 @ 2:14 PM ET
It's not necessary to name a player. The point is that the opportunity needs to be there and they shouldn't be spending that cap asset on a player like Greenway.

I would hope that they're not the kind of player that Greenway is because he's not a good player.

- MJL

Then why do you want to keep Seeler?
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Feb 28 @ 2:15 PM ET
Flyers absolutely hurt his offensive development as he was so good defensively that they refused to put him on a scoring line and kept him on the shutdown line. Short term thinking that had long term consequences for the Flyers and Couturier.
- Flyers_01



Not to the same level as this player is not the 8th overall pick but the Flyers are currently doing the same thing to Noah Cates. Putting the team need before what is best for the player.
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Feb 28 @ 2:15 PM ET
Then why do you want to keep Seeler?
- hello it's me 2050



Because he makes $775,000 and is a perfect 6-7 who can spend time in the pressbox if younger players beat him out?
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Feb 28 @ 2:16 PM ET
Because he makes $775,000 and is a perfect 6-7 who can spend time in the pressbox if younger players beat him out?
- MBFlyerfan



THE EVIL WITHIN
Season Ticket Holder
Location: NJ
Joined: 11.20.2017

Feb 28 @ 2:18 PM ET
We're not making the playoffs this year. Again, I can throw numbers all day… on a points percentage basis, I think we're the 5th-most improved team in the league. That’s nice, but we're still not good enough."

He thinks! 😆 Worst PP and a pain to watch most nights, is certain Chuck
Peter Richards
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 08.24.2019

Feb 28 @ 2:19 PM ET
Because he makes $775,000 and is a perfect 6-7 who can spend time in the pressbox if younger players beat him out?
- MBFlyerfan


He is easily replaceable. If you can get assets for him, he should be gone. Period.
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Feb 28 @ 2:20 PM ET
Dave Scott should be utterly embarrassed. I want his head on a plate metaphorically.
- MJL


At least they've finally popped their heads out of the sand. Chuck says Scott is on board with a rebuild path. I guess we'll see.
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Feb 28 @ 2:21 PM ET
Because he makes $775,000 and is a perfect 6-7 who can spend time in the pressbox if younger players beat him out?
- MBFlyerfan

You can find those types all summer long. Hell Flyers have one on the phantoms already in Connaunton.

You and others rip on /chuck for his asset management. Yet you think he should keep someone who he has turned into an asset.

It is flat out bad business to not take a pick for Seeler. Removing Seeler from the lineup hurts what exactly?
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Feb 28 @ 2:22 PM ET

- MJL

omg
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Feb 28 @ 2:24 PM ET
He is easily replaceable. If you can get assets for him, he should be gone. Period.
- Peter Richards

Seeler has turned himself into a solid bottom pair guy. Trade while his value is at its highest. Mind boggling to me to want to keep him.

If someone told you back in October you can get a 4th rd pick for him at the deadline, who would turn it down then?
wcorvette
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Boynton Beach, FL
Joined: 10.03.2010

Feb 28 @ 2:24 PM ET
The quote from earlier is getting the headlines, but the standout thing for me was that Chuck basically admitted that the "retool" is dead and they've downshifted to a league-standard rebuild posture. Talked about maybe moving older guys out and getting younger, giving more prospects a chance to win a job in the lineup. All things we've wanted to hear for awhile now.
- Tomahawk


yes, you hope it is true, just complicated, does it mean they will mover a quality asset, do they have one, LOL. It does seem he is targeting the off-season to tear it down. Is this how he transitions to Briere "it is going to take longer than we wanted"
Peter Richards
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 08.24.2019

Feb 28 @ 2:25 PM ET

- MJL


Reminds me of you Nate Thompson is a better player than brassard argument.
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Feb 28 @ 2:25 PM ET
They can all say whatever they choose. I will believe it when I see those words followed up by action.

Yet he wants to keep Seeler and others. Prove me wrong Chuck.

- hello it's me 2050

Team isn’t going anywhere with Chuck or the people protecting his job.

I don’t know who is more clueless. Comcast or the country club that’s bleeding the franchise bone dry.
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Feb 28 @ 2:26 PM ET
yes, you hope it is true, just complicated, does it mean they will mover a quality asset, do they have one, LOL. It does seem he is targeting the off-season to tear it down.
- wcorvette


He mentioned Hayes by name, saying they'd be willing to "get creative" to move older guys out. Hope that means they'll do the same for Provy, RR, Laughts, ND, etc.
Minnyhock
Minnesota Wild
Joined: 06.26.2021

Feb 28 @ 2:26 PM ET
Agree with you.

If the Flyers wanted to reclamation project, I think Tolvanen would have been a better choice when he was on waivers. No need for someone like Greenway.

- J35Bacher


Spending money and making trades on underperforming players is what the Flyers should be doing at the TDL. Dallas is looking to get tougher so I think the Wild should have swapped out Greenway for Guruanov. Same thing with the Flyers. JVR for Gurianov would have been a good move. Gurianov has speed to burn and that’s what the Flyers need.
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Feb 28 @ 2:26 PM ET
You can find those types all summer long. Hell Flyers have one on the phantoms already in Connaunton.

You and others rip on /chuck for his asset management. Yet you think he should keep someone who he has turned into an asset.

It is flat out bad business to not take a pick for Seeler. Removing Seeler from the lineup hurts what exactly?

- hello it's me 2050



Connauton isn't remotely the player Seeler is. Seeler at his salary is way better value than Connauton at the same salary.

And for the record, if they can get a good return for Seeler he should be traded. I just don't see that happening.
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Feb 28 @ 2:27 PM ET
At least they've finally popped their heads out of the sand. Chuck says Scott is on board with a rebuild path. I guess we'll see.
- Tomahawk

Good thing they’re realizing this now, at the trade deadline, and not last summer with a generational player waiting to be drafted this year.
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Feb 28 @ 2:27 PM ET
Seeler has turned himself into a solid bottom pair guy. Trade while his value is at its highest. Mind boggling to me to want to keep him.

If someone told you back in October you can get a 4th rd pick for him at the deadline, who would turn it down then?

- hello it's me 2050


I would absolutely take a 4th for him. I would be amazed if they got that however.
NC Flyers Fan
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.19.2018

Feb 28 @ 2:28 PM ET

- Tomahawk


Thanks for sharing. Obviously, good that the Flyers actually posted video of the press conference this time. As far as the GMs actual comments go, yeah baby steps, I guess. 🥳
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Feb 28 @ 2:28 PM ET
Good thing they’re realizing this now, at the trade deadline, and not last summer with a generational player waiting to be drafted this year.
- hereticpride


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Peter Richards
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 08.24.2019

Feb 28 @ 2:30 PM ET
Seeler has turned himself into a solid bottom pair guy. Trade while his value is at its highest. Mind boggling to me to want to keep him.

If someone told you back in October you can get a 4th rd pick for him at the deadline, who would turn it down then?

- hello it's me 2050[/quote

Worry about holding on to a moot point t when building for the future. Makes sense.
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Feb 28 @ 2:32 PM ET
Connauton isn't remotely the player Seeler is. Seeler at his salary is way better value than Connauton at the same salary.

And for the record, if they can get a good return for Seeler he should be traded. I just don't see that happening.

- MBFlyerfan


removing Seller from the lineup hurt what exactly? Seeler does have more value. Not debating that and it wasn’t the point. Where the flyers are at and will be for the foreseeable future there is no need to hang onto Seeler.

Any pick in the 4th or 5th rd I take rather easily. They can get that.
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Feb 28 @ 2:33 PM ET
He is easily replaceable. If you can get assets for him, he should be gone. Period.
- Peter Richards



By who exactly? Players out there lining up to make the league minimum to sit in the press box? Who is also a better player than Seeler?

You don't want a young player sitting, so the player who could be his replacement is not in the organization. Connauton should never see the NHL again so he should be out.

As I said, if the deal is good I would deal him, I just don't see the market. I hope I am wrong and they can turn him into a mid round pick. But if it is a late round pick I would rather just keep him as a part time veteran 6 or 7 at the league minimum.
Peter Richards
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 08.24.2019

Feb 28 @ 2:33 PM ET
I would absolutely take a 4th for him. I would be amazed if they got that however.
- MBFlyerfan


The conversation before was people were only willing to take a 3 rd or better. But again. He is easily replaceable. Get assets to rebuild.


But we all know why you jumped on this one.
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