Curious when the incompetent meddling fingers of Lombardi, Barber, Brown, Holmgren, and Clarke are shown the curb as they should be.
- FlyerFan3260

Not this BS again. They may be asked their opinion but nothing more than that.

So 9 points out of the last wild card spot. I suppose we are hoping for as many trades at the deadline now.
- Aaron_85

I have realistic expectations. I don't see them doing anything exciting but there is always a possibility of an unexpected hockey trade.

Not this BS again. They may be asked their opinion but nothing more than that.
- WhiskeyMan

It's not BS. It's very real unfortunately.

Not this BS again. They may be asked their opinion but nothing more than that.
- WhiskeyMan

Fact: their opinion still holds enough weight to get GMs hired and fired here.

I have realistic expectations. I don't see them doing anything exciting but there is always a possibility of an unexpected hockey trade.
- MJL

That's fair. I do expect the Flyers to sell pending UFA's and be rather quiet.

Where does Chuck Fletcher rank in terms of the worst GMs in league history?

As bad as he is, I still don't think he can touch guys like Houle and Milbury.

Dudes like R Shero, Chia, Holland, Sather and Burke could do a lot of damage at their worst, but they at least won something before. Then you have guys like Waddell and Sweeney who used to be memes but have rehabbed their reputations with recent success.

Is Chuck more comparable to guys like JFJ, Button, Benning, Gillis and MacLean?

Is he even the worst Flyers GM of all time?

Not this BS again. They may be asked their opinion but nothing more than that.
- WhiskeyMan

Their opinion matters.

Think Fletcher is around if the latter two clearly stated their opposition?

Don’t be naive.

Exactly. He is a BS artist and a manipulator.
- MJL

Plus he is an egomaniac and loves the attention that moves like this give him.

Flyers need the devils luck this draft, second is just fine
- wcorvette

Flyers got their luck few yrs back when they won the 2nd pick

Their opinion matters.

Think Fletcher is around if the latter two clearly stated their opposition?

Don’t be naive.
- FlyerFan3260

Who hired Fletcher, Scott who knows nothing about hockey and took the recommendations of hockey people or did Homer hire him?

Yes their opinions were taken but they do not have they much weight.

Flyers got their luck few yrs back when they won the 2nd pick
- hfc355

Rangers and devils twice, we need the 2x to be a charm. Zero luck with the #2, devils dodged a bullet and the flyers got damaged goods, really set in motion the decline

Who hired Fletcher, Scott who knows nothing about hockey and took the recommendations of hockey people or did Homer hire him?

Yes their opinions were taken but they do not have they much weight.
- WhiskeyMan

https://www.phillyburbs.c...holmgren-that/7105873007/

Clarke helped convince Holmgren that Fletcher was right choice

Even though the Flyers interviewed as many as seven candidates for their vacant general manager position, president Paul Holmgren kind of knew which hopeful ultimately would get the job.

That’s because Chuck Fletcher already had an inside connection to the Flyers, having worked for Bob Clarke when Clarke was general manager of the Florida Panthers back in 1993.

It was Clarke who gave Fletcher his first job and even allowed him to negotiate and draw up some contracts.

As the old saying goes, it’s not always what you know, it’s who you know.

“He (Clarke) was up (from Florida last week) so I asked him to stay a few days,’’ Holmgren related after Wednesday’s press conference at the Skate Zone to formally introduce Fletcher as new GM. “I love talking hockey with Clarkie, there’s nobody better.

“He loves the Flyers, that’s all he cares about. He spoke well of him (Fletcher). You could probably quiz a hundred hockey people and you can’t find one bad word about Chuck. You heard him talk today, he’s smart, he’s got a good way about himself.’’

has Sanhiem been playing bad? Worthy of a healthy scratch?

Little bizarre a guy playing 20 minutes a night becomes a healthy scratch
- MrPerfect316

hope he's scratched because of a pending trade

Plus he is an egomaniac and loves the attention that moves like this give him.
- hfc355

Yes, Tortorella wants to be the focus and the show.

Who hired Fletcher, Scott who knows nothing about hockey and took the recommendations of hockey people or did Homer hire him?

Yes their opinions were taken but they do not have they much weight.
- WhiskeyMan

You just proved your own opinion to be incorrect. Scott runs the franchise and knows nothing about hockey. Who is feeding him information? Where does Scott get his "philosophies" of how the team should be run? When he held that press conference when Hextall was fired and said he wanted the team to be relevant and be a cap team. That with a few good moves, they could get right back in it. Who handed down the mandate to Fletcher to aggressively try to win and use free agency and trades to do so. Let alone why Fletcher was hired. Scott came up with all of this on his own? The guy you say knows nothing about hockey? It's not hard to figure out.

https://www.phillyburbs.com/story/sports/nhl/2018/12/06/clarke-helped-convince-holmgren-that/7105873007/




- Tomahawk

The article makes a pretty good case for hiring Fletcher

So Clarke told Homer to hire hire Fletcher and Homer had to tell Scott to hire and pay him. It was Scotts decision and if Scott just said okay without doing any research then it all falls on Scott.

And if you are desperate, you could blame Homer, just don't blame a man who has nothing to do with the team other than his opinions.

- Tomahawk

Ok, maybe Clarke had some influence over the hire. So who’s now telling Scott to stick with Fletcher? Seems out of character for Clarke to want to stick with someone doing such an obviously poor job. Clarke doesn’t have any trouble turning on a friend if they’re not winning.

Pretty clear there is an over abundance of 2nd and 3rd line forwards on the roster. Need to identify which are closer to second line quality and move some out. I believe there are similiar forwards already at LV who could fill in at a cheaper cap hit. Not really shocking tjhe forwards on the roster are not good enough with a new HC. Expecting the GM to dismantle the roster he created is absolute lunacy.
- Trox88

I disagree they have an over abundance of 2nd line forwards. This team has nothing that high majority if not all teams have in already and then some.

This team has no interest in moving the players that have value. They are convinced they are part of a future winning core. That is just flat out sad.

Also love the ones who rip on Chuck daily about asset management, rightfully so mind you, then want him to keep Seller unless a 3rd or better pick. Holding onto Seller is bad asset management no matter how one tries to slice it. He is not part of the future. Unless it was a 7th rd pick I trade him 100%. He has turned himself into a solid bottom pair guy.

The article makes a pretty good case for hiring Fletcher

So Clarke told Homer to hire hire Fletcher and Homer had to tell Scott to hire and pay him. It was Scotts decision and if Scott just said okay without doing any research then it all falls on Scott.

And if you are desperate, you could blame Homer, just don't blame a man who has nothing to do with the team other than his opinions.
- WhiskeyMan

Clarke is very much to blame. As is Holmgren and the other members of the country club. This team is not going anywhere until they are all completely removed. Including Scott.

You just proved your own opinion to be incorrect. Scott runs the franchise and knows nothing about hockey. Who is feeding him information? Where does Scott get his "philosophies" of how the team should be run? When he held that press conference when Hextall was fired and said he wanted the team to be relevant and be a cap team. That with a few good moves, they could get right back in it. Who handed down the mandate to Fletcher to aggressively try to win and use free agency and trades to do so. Let alone why Fletcher was hired. Scott came up with all of this on his own? The guy you say knows nothing about hockey? It's not hard to figure out.
- MJL

The fault lies with Scott and Scott alone. He made the final decision, he didn't do his job if he just relied on a few people from the organization. he narrative that Clarke has a lot of say in what the Flyers do it pathetic and grasping for reason why they are bad.

Ok, maybe Clarke had some influence over the hire. So who’s now telling Scott to stick with Fletcher? Seems out of character for Clarke to want to stick with someone doing such an obviously poor job. Clarke doesn’t have any trouble turning on a friend if they’re not winning.
- Dkos

Clarke turns on those who are not his friends. Such as Hextall. For his friends, he will go to the ends.

It's not BS. It's very real unfortunately.
- MJL

So Clarke is the one making the decision to not fire Chuck then is what your saying?

Clarke turns on those who are not his friends. Such as Hextall. For his friends, he will go to the ends.
- MJL

Any thoughts on the job Ronald is doing in Pittsburgh?

All we need are 4 studs to run'em up and 3 tough natives to fill'em in.

The fault lies with Scott and Scott alone. He made the final decision, he didn't do his job if he just relied on a few people from the organization. he narrative that Clarke has a lot of say in what the Flyers do it pathetic and grasping for reason why they are bad.
- WhiskeyMan

Ignoring the obvious influence is naive. If someone is highly influencing who is hired and how the team is run, then they have a high level of influence on the team.