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JetFuel
Joined: 10.08.2019

Feb 20 @ 1:52 PM ET
If Chevy acquired one of those guys he would be picking after #20, and it’s well known that he does not do well with picks after #20. It’s interesting that all Jets fans are concerned about draft.

No one is mentioning that since the 2017 draft, Jets draft picks in total have contributed a whopping 19 goals (including 2017 draft picks). 10 coming from Perfetti alone.

- TheUltimateJet


Its funny you say that cause I was thinking about basically the same thing lately. When you really think about it since the 2nd overall Laine pick which is now Dubois back in 2016 the only Jets draft pick since thats contributing anything that'd be considered significant is Perfetti.

Yes I know Samberg and Stanley are here but neither are providing anything that an average 3rd pair dman signed in free agency for like league minimum to a million wouldn't provide. I get that theres still some development for those two that could happen and Samberg could maybe develop into a 2nd pair guy but at this point he's an average 3rd pair dman like so many others in the league are. I guess Gus is kicking around but same thing with him, could sign any league minimum guy to be a 4th liner and yeah he might develop into more but as of now he's just an average low end roster player.

Also to be fair I get that it's unlikely that any guys drafted in 2021 or 2022 after the 1st round are making much of an impact yet but its still pretty crazy that a team that gets so much hype about its drafting and developing only has ONE player making any kind of significant impact since the 2nd overall pick six drafts ago.

Its also kind of funny to me that one of the few picks taken since the 2016 draft that could be considered mildly successful was lost on waivers to the Habs.. lol
jetsnation
Location: Winnipeg, MB
Joined: 02.11.2015

Feb 20 @ 2:20 PM ET
I can see Samberg developing into a first-pair guy if he is here long enough.
Old Flopper
Location: Winnipeg, MB
Joined: 08.06.2020

Feb 20 @ 4:00 PM ET
Its funny you say that cause I was thinking about basically the same thing lately. When you really think about it since the 2nd overall Laine pick which is now Dubois back in 2016 the only Jets draft pick since thats contributing anything that'd be considered significant is Perfetti.

Yes I know Samberg and Stanley are here but neither are providing anything that an average 3rd pair dman signed in free agency for like league minimum to a million wouldn't provide. I get that theres still some development for those two that could happen and Samberg could maybe develop into a 2nd pair guy but at this point he's an average 3rd pair dman like so many others in the league are. I guess Gus is kicking around but same thing with him, could sign any league minimum guy to be a 4th liner and yeah he might develop into more but as of now he's just an average low end roster player.

Also to be fair I get that it's unlikely that any guys drafted in 2021 or 2022 after the 1st round are making much of an impact yet but its still pretty crazy that a team that gets so much hype about its drafting and developing only has ONE player making any kind of significant impact since the 2nd overall pick six drafts ago.

Its also kind of funny to me that one of the few picks taken since the 2016 draft that could be considered mildly successful was lost on waivers to the Habs.. lol

- JetFuel


You stole my thunder!! Lol But, this is the reality of the Jets draft cupboard. Like Jets Nation says in the next post, Samberg likely has the best chance to develop into something a little more but the rest you listed are mediochre average.

And, totally agree on Gus as well and the Kovecevic situation.
Old Flopper
Location: Winnipeg, MB
Joined: 08.06.2020

Feb 20 @ 4:24 PM ET
BTW, if things don't pan out and the team ends up trading Dubois and Shief next year, providing they can not be signed, Ehlers will be traded as well.

He has looked like a very fast Burmistrov that is unable to gel with his linemates for some time (years) now. This statement will certainly draw some ire but I think he is as dumb as a bag of pucks. A very fast Burmistrov.
grahamzky
Location: MB
Joined: 09.01.2008

Feb 20 @ 4:56 PM ET
Timo Meier - out with upper-body injury

Cole Perfetti - out with upper-body injury
Logan Stanley in for unidentified d-man

H-m-m-m? You don't suppose they are related
do ya? Woud be wonderful!
grahamzky
Location: MB
Joined: 09.01.2008

Feb 20 @ 5:07 PM ET
Timo Meier - out with upper-body injury

Cole Perfetti - out with upper-body injury
Logan Stanley in for unidentified d-man

H-m-m-m? You don't suppose they are related
do ya? Would be wonderful!

- grahamzky



Now I see Manitoba born LH d-man Travis Sanheim sitting for Flyers. Do ya think?
jetsnation
Location: Winnipeg, MB
Joined: 02.11.2015

Feb 20 @ 6:00 PM ET
Timo Meier - out with upper-body injury

Cole Perfetti - out with upper-body injury
Logan Stanley in for unidentified d-man

H-m-m-m? You don't suppose they are related
do ya? Woud be wonderful!

- grahamzky



Its a B2B game so I would not read too much into lineup decisions. Gagne in as well.
Stanley also needs some more NHL ice time for showcasing.
Perfetti was playing very late in the third so I don't think it's anything to worry about.

Edit: Also keep in mind that NJD is the frontrunner for Timo Meier and one of the players they might be dangling is indeed Dawson Mercer who looked better than Perfetti
JetFuel
Joined: 10.08.2019

Feb 20 @ 6:55 PM ET
So Meier doesn't play and the Sharks beat the Kraken today and SJ won 4-0!

Also of note former Jets Svechnikov and Eyssimont both got on the scoresheet, Eyssimont got a goal and Svech got a goal and an assist, should've kept those guys, they're better then the bottom six junk the Jets are icing now!!
Rexypoo
Location: Yes
Joined: 02.08.2016

Feb 21 @ 1:24 AM ET
Does everyone feel the Jets are a shoe-in for the playoffs? They are only like 6 pts ahead of the Flames for the 8th playoff position in the West. I would hate the final position to go down to the last game between the Jets vs Flames!

If we are fully sire of a playoff position, my main targets as a GM would be: Crouse and Chychrun from the Coyotes; and Meier and Karlsson from the Sharks. Of course, Karlsson has to agree to trade, and I doubt he will.

Karlsson would put us in salary cap trouble for next season but let's face it, we won't keep all of PLD, Scheifele, Wheeler and Hellebuyck (as well as Meier if lucky enough to get him).

Ammunition to trade: Jets - Pionk, Stanley, Barron, Kulman, Gustafsson, Appleton, Schmidt; Prospects - Heinola, Lambert, McGroarty, Lucius, Tikkanen, Chibrikov and rights to Vesalainen and Rashnevsky; Draft picks - our 2024 1st (top 3 protected) and 2nd. Some combination of these!

Don't want to trade - Samberg, Perfetti and Solomonsson, as well as 2023 1st

- grahamzky


Crouse doesn’t interest me at all. He’s overpaid for what he provides.

As for Meier and Karlsson, they won’t put us in cap trouble at all if Karlsson is at, say, 8.5.
All you do is make sure Pionk goes across in the deal, sell high on Dillon before he craters, and do why you have to to trade Schmidt and Wheeler.
Meier at 9.5 with Karlsson at 8.5 is extremely survivable if Perfetti and Samberg bridge.

Let’s assume Helle and Scheifele both sign back for 10 flat. You’re adding, what, 15mil with Scheifele/Hellebuyck/Meier deals (along with Karlsson adding just under 3 vs Pionk), while having moved out over 20mil? I am working on the assumption Dubois is traded for futures.
Old Flopper
Location: Winnipeg, MB
Joined: 08.06.2020

Feb 21 @ 7:30 AM ET
Now I see Manitoba born LH d-man Travis Sanheim sitting for Flyers. Do ya think?
- grahamzky


Sanheim took the warm-up, then was scratched.

Just the psychotic Torts f-----g with his head. PLD should reach out to Sanheim.....
Old Flopper
Location: Winnipeg, MB
Joined: 08.06.2020

Feb 21 @ 7:39 AM ET
1) Crouse doesn’t interest me at all. He’s overpaid for what he provides.

2) As for Meier and Karlsson, they won’t put us in cap trouble at all if Karlsson is at, say, 8.5.
3) All you do is make sure Pionk goes across in the deal, sell high on Dillon before he craters, and do why you have to to trade Schmidt and Wheeler.
Meier at 9.5 with Karlsson at 8.5 is extremely survivable if Perfetti and Samberg bridge.

4) Let’s assume Helle and Scheifele both sign back for 10 flat. You’re adding, what, 15mil with Scheifele/Hellebuyck/Meier deals (along with Karlsson adding just under 3 vs Pionk), while having moved out over 20mil? I am working on the assumption Dubois is traded for futures.

- Rexypoo


1) Agreed on Crouse.
2) OK
3) Yes on Pionk, not so sure on Dillon, but definitely Schmidt and if you can find a home for Wheeler, then yes.
4) Ya, rationale works.
Old Flopper
Location: Winnipeg, MB
Joined: 08.06.2020

Feb 21 @ 7:49 AM ET
The team buys dinner for Helle.

They needed that one....... nothing better than the goaler stepping up and making the statement.
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