Do you mean McCabe Murphy and Johnson?
- Scott1977

When Tinordi returns, he's traded and hopefully McCabe, Johnson, and Murphy
- wiz1901

McCabe has two more years left at $4 mill. I don't see it happening.
- 333inthe3rd

There are teams looking for a defensive defenseman and want him to have term so he doesn't leave in the end of April.
Shoot, I thing the hawks Wille at some of it for a2023 second.

Below are the possible D rentals on the likely sellers. Where does McCabe fit into this picture?

AZ

Ghost - $4.5 mill
Troy Stecher - $1.5 mill

Anaheim

Klingberg - $7 mill
Shattenkirk - $3.9 mill
Kulikov - $2.225 mill
(all have M-NTC clauses)

SJS

Scott Harrington $750K

Vancouver

Ethan Bear $1.8 mill
Travis Dermott $1.5 mill
Luke Schenn $850K

Blues

Mikkola $1.9 mill. <----This is the ONLY kid who is close to a comparable and I have trouble believing he is on the market

Wings

Maatta $2.25 mill
Oesterle $1.35 mill

Ottawa

Hamonic $3 mill
Nick Holden $1.3 mill (M-NTC, 35+)

Columbus

Gavrikov $2.8 mill. <---this giant guy is very affordable with two way jam, but they aren't gonna let him go for a ti y return, period.
Bayreuther $750K

Flyers

Justin Braun $800K (35+)

Hawks

Jack Johnson $950K (35+)
- 333inthe3rd

<--Sure, Colorado wants Johnson, and although he is not a gazelle, he still is smart. I think McCabe got way better wheels.

Why would anyone "trade," give up something for Tinordi you can find a Tinordi on any AHL roster.
- rpeters01

He is on face rehab there.

Because he is a beast and is a better third pair defender than he has ever been before this year.

Trade him to Buffalo or Seattle for a 2023 2nd, they each have 3.
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- DarthKane

It will depend upon where Buffalo os in the standing as to how serious they desire to jump in at the deadline.

Seattle I think will look really well at the available board and bolster as they look like they are going to the dance,

My ideal trade scenraios would be to get 2023 2nds for Toews, McCabe/Murphy and Domi. Hopefully a 1st for Kane. Maybe a prospect or two included in those trades along with some veteran trade dumps coming back to make the dollars work. (Someone has to fill the rosters spots in the traded players absence.)

If so, Hawks would then have 3-1sts, 5-2nds, and 2-3rds in the 2023 draft. That's eight picks in the top 64, 1/8 of the prospects in those 2 rounds.

If Davidson is looking for quality vs quantity, package 2 or 3 of those 2nd's and 3rd's to move up to the 1st round. Hawks would then have 4 of the top 32 and at least 6 of the top 64.

Another option is to package the Tampa Bay 1st and a 2nd or two to move up several spots in the 1st round.
- boilermaker100

No, this isn't the decade we enjoyed watching the Hawks compete for and win cups but for me this is a fascinating era for the Hawks. So many possibilities and outcome scenarios as we watch the construction brick by brick.

Love the possibilities with the next two yrs of numerous draft picks in the first two rounds and that's before what comes back in trades this yr.

With this in mind and trying to predict what the future might look like I can't help but look at, and hope, Wheeler's ranking of each team's prospect pipeline. NJ and BUF rank 2nd and 6th and ice very good young NHL teams. LA, another very good young team, ranks 7th. DET, with a solid young NHL group, ranks 4th. MN, in cap hell but soon to be out of it, has a nice NHL team and ranks 1st.

Whether or not you like or agree with Wheeler he can't be too far off. My hope is, and why could it not happen, in 3-4 yrs the Hawks are in the same position that the above ranked teams are in.

Can and will it happen? Why not? Regardless, it's a fascinating time for a Hawk's fan as we watch the sausage being made.

There are teams looking for a defensive defenseman and want him to have term so he doesn't leave in the end of April.
Shoot, I thing the hawks Wille at some of it for a2023 second.


<--Sure, Colorado wants Johnson, and although he is not a gazelle, he still is smart. I think McCabe got way better wheels.
- wiz1901

I hope you're right, that he can be traded and get a good return. You're a much better talent evaluator than I'll ever be. I just look at dollar figures and intangibles and try to make sense of it. How good is he as a defensive defenseman? I know that he hasn't had any real D partners until now with Seth, so that is going to skew the analytics a bit.

I hope you're right, that he can be traded and get a good return. You're a much better talent evaluator than I'll ever be. I just look at dollar figures and intangibles and try to make sense of it. How good is he as a defensive defenseman? I know that he hasn't had any real D partners until now with Seth, so that is going to skew the analytics a bit.
- 333inthe3rd

I think KD will surprise everyone at the TDL. I’m not sure what he’ll do, but I think he’ll make a move we’re not expecting.

https://twitter.com/BenPo...z_3uN5Fb2JoOVt2J2XEg&s=01

Nice article with Stauber

No, this isn't the decade we enjoyed watching the Hawks compete for and win cups but for me this is a fascinating era for the Hawks. So many possibilities and outcome scenarios as we watch the construction brick by brick.

Love the possibilities with the next two yrs of numerous draft picks in the first two rounds and that's before what comes back in trades this yr.

With this in mind and trying to predict what the future might look like I can't help but look at, and hope, Wheeler's ranking of each team's prospect pipeline. NJ and BUF rank 2nd and 6th and ice very good young NHL teams. LA, another very good young team, ranks 7th. DET, with a solid young NHL group, ranks 4th. MN, in cap hell but soon to be out of it, has a nice NHL team and ranks 1st.

Whether or not you like or agree with Wheeler he can't be too far off. My hope is, and why could it not happen, in 3-4 yrs the Hawks are in the same position that the above ranked teams are in.

Can and will it happen? Why not? Regardless, it's a fascinating time for a Hawk's fan as we watch the sausage being made.
- Mr Ricochet

You know Rico i was disappointed when they traded Hagel until i found out what they received. I was disappointed with Cat and Dach being traded and a bit worried the Blackhawks would screw up the picks, and they still might, but now I'm intrigued and excited about the possibilities since they are serious about it, they just stripped this team down to bare bones. Now I'm looking forward to see what they do before the trade deadline on top of all the picks they already have.

Talking about Toews being a great fit in Colorado, Stars Wild game.

KD is taking no half measures, as much as i didn't like it at the time, got to give the man his props.

https://twitter.com/JFres...syguEJvRl7Zop9jiQ9tA&s=01

This is great, so that means 99% chance the Blackhawks get Bedard

I hope you're right, that he can be traded and get a good return. You're a much better talent evaluator than I'll ever be. I just look at dollar figures and intangibles and try to make sense of it. How good is he as a defensive defenseman? I know that he hasn't had any real D partners until now with Seth, so that is going to skew the analytics a bit.
- 333inthe3rd

You mean Tinordi, right?

I just know you need more than 6 defenders in the playoffs and sometimes you need to switch up and play a Tinordi to answer the bell.
at first, I thought acquiring him was just a nice little way of making the catch feel, good, after he suggested the Hawks taking a chance.
No one was more shocked at his progress. I never had a good word for him prior, he just seemed like big guy with bowling balls on his ankles, he shows up and he has some game, but more importantly, he became the necessary teammate they needed to answer back with hits the forwards were taken. His short area quickness was different and he was obviously better schooled in his position by leaps. We will see what happens. They may need him around for when Bedard is added.

"Blackhawks defenseman Jarred Tinordi finally can eat normal food again.

When Tinordi had the bands holding his jaw in place removed last month, he celebrated by ordering a Five Guys cheeseburger. And on Jan. 25, more than a month after taking a shot to the face that required surgery, the last of his wires and screws were taken out.

He’s now close to returning to action. The Hawks plan to hold him out Tuesday against the Ducks — their first game back from their bye week and the All-Star break — and reinsert him into the lineup Friday against the Coyotes or Saturday at the Jets."

I guess I understand the Hawk hate, most see a Kane and Toews departure like they are still in their prime and the hawks are just losing to replace them and find a new narrative away from Coach Q's "we're in a playoff run, we cannot let this Beach molestation become the story, it will distract everybody."

Well, when the lottery has such a high profiled talent goingbtop the winner, many fans are going to angered where ever he goes.

I know you all have at least one team you simply do not want getting him.

(Me I guess it's the Habs.)

I won't be clapping for a Wings lotto ball either.

The thing about Connor Bedard we all know is that the team he goes to got instantly better.

Please read the player profiles by clicking on their names:





https://www.lines.com/nhl/drafts/2023

You mean Tinordi, right?

I just know you need more than 6 defenders in the playoffs and sometimes you need to switch up and play a Tinordi to answer the bell.
at first, I thought acquiring him was just a nice little way of making the catch feel, good, after he suggested the Hawks taking a chance.
No one was more shocked at his progress. I never had a good word for him prior, he just seemed like big guy with bowling balls on his ankles, he shows up and he has some game, but more importantly, he became the necessary teammate they needed to answer back with hits the forwards were taken. His short area quickness was different and he was obviously better schooled in his position by leaps. We will see what happens. They may need him around for when Bedard is added.

"Blackhawks defenseman Jarred Tinordi finally can eat normal food again.

When Tinordi had the bands holding his jaw in place removed last month, he celebrated by ordering a Five Guys cheeseburger. And on Jan. 25, more than a month after taking a shot to the face that required surgery, the last of his wires and screws were taken out.

He’s now close to returning to action. The Hawks plan to hold him out Tuesday against the Ducks — their first game back from their bye week and the All-Star break — and reinsert him into the lineup Friday against the Coyotes or Saturday at the Jets."

I guess I understand the Hawk hate, most see a Kane and Toews departure like they are still in their prime and the hawks are just losing to replace them and find a new narrative away from Coach Q's "we're in a playoff run, we cannot let this Beach molestation become the story, it will distract everybody."

Well, when the lottery has such a high profiled talent goingbtop the winner, many fans are going to angered where ever he goes.

I know you all have at least one team you simply do not want getting him.

(Me I guess it's the Habs.)

I won't be clapping for a Wings lotto ball either.

The thing about Connor Bedard we all know is that the team he goes to got instantly better.
- wiz1901

I meant McCabe. How good is he as a defensive defenseman, and how is he worth a first rounder in return, as some suggest? Wasn't he paired with Caleb for a time? Also with Mitchell? Makes evaluating a bit more difficult when he's not paired with real top 4 defensemen. Murphy was usually paired with Tinordi. I imagine they will be able to trade Tinordi, assuming he's healthy enough at the deadline.

Tyler Johnson's injury history makes any deal for him a non-starter IMO. Maybe next year in the last year of his deal, but it is difficult to see that one happening.

As for Lafferty and Raddyish, the Hawks would have to be blown away IMO to make a deal for either one, since they can go through the same process next season.

Do you think Reichel will be a Hawk after the draft this summer?

Other than for Kane, I cannot see the Hawks recouping any 2023 1st or 2nd round picks for any of the aforementioned players. The Hawks are either looking for prospects or picks beyond 2023 (or beyond the 2nd round in 2023).

Richardson says toews has missed practice because he thinks he he has the flu. They're keeping him away from the team so he doesn't spread it.

McCabe has two more years left at $4 mill. I don't see it happening.

Below are the possible D rentals on the likely sellers. Where does McCabe fit into this picture?

AZ

Ghost - $4.5 mill
Troy Stecher - $1.5 mill

Anaheim

Klingberg - $7 mill
Shattenkirk - $3.9 mill
Kulikov - $2.225 mill
(all have M-NTC clauses)

SJS

Scott Harrington $750K

Vancouver

Ethan Bear $1.8 mill
Travis Dermott $1.5 mill
Luke Schenn $850K

Blues

Mikkola $1.9 mill

Wings

Maatta $2.25 mill
Oesterle $1.35 mill

Ottawa

Hamonic $3 mill
Nick Holden $1.3 mill (M-NTC, 35+)

Columbus

Gavrikov $2.8 mill
Bayreuther $750K

Flyers

Justin Braun $800K (35+)

Hawks

Jack Johnson $950K (35+)
- 333inthe3rd

McCabe would not be a rental. A team looking for cost certainty for 2 more seasons after this could be interested in McCabe, especially with salary retention. As some pundits have noted the return would be greater if salary is retained so we'll see how KD handles the situation.

Yes, there are only 3 retention slots available so using one on McCabe depends on Kane's, Toews' and Domi's trade scenarios. As for using one on McCabe for 2 more seasons, who's going to need salary retention for the next 2 years? S. Jones isn't going anywhere, and I doubt if T. Johnson would have any interest at the next TDL. Ditto Mrazek. If I'm wrong on Johnson/Mrazek and a team is willing to pay the right price for them by all means use one or both on them. Those slots would be available the season after.

KD will probably sign a couple of more free agents this summer and flip them at the next TDL with retention if needed. (If Johnson/Mrazek are not flipped.) I don't see a McCabe retention now gumming up the works in the future.

Other than for Kane, I cannot see the Hawks recouping any 2023 1st or 2nd round picks for any of the aforementioned players. The Hawks are either looking for prospects or picks beyond 2023 (or beyond the 2nd round in 2023).
- jrsamu

I agree, I think only Kane can get a first back in return …. unless there’s a situation where a Hawk player is traded to team X and that team sends back a bad contract as part of the deal.

I think KD will surprise everyone at the TDL. I’m not sure what he’ll do, but I think he’ll make a move we’re not expecting.
- DarthKane

I think KD continues to do a solid job with the tear down phase, turning his available assets into lottery tickets (picks and prospects). He appears to have had a solid draft; time will tell how good. Many of the team's best prospects are early in their development; so we'll see how well they develop in the next several years. Hopefully we'll begin to see how well KD does with cap management in 4-5 years.

Another thing I'll be interested in is how well they scout/value their own prospects. Right now they have several decent defense prospects in Rockford/Chicago, and several more will soon make it a glut. KD needs to identify the keepers and trade the rest before the rest of the league identifies the ones who won't make it.

That said, if last year's and this year's draft don't result in two Hall of Famers, KD should be fired down onto the pavement.

I think KD continues to do a solid job with the tear down phase, turning his available assets into lottery tickets (picks and prospects). He appears to have had a solid draft; time will tell how good. Many of the team's best prospects are early in their development; so we'll see how well they develop in the next several years. Hopefully we'll begin to see how well KD does with cap management in 4-5 years.

Another thing I'll be interested in is how well they scout/value their own prospects. Right now they have several decent defense prospects in Rockford/Chicago, and several more will soon make it a glut. KD needs to identify the keepers and trade the rest before the rest of the league identifies the ones who won't make it.

That said, if last year's and this year's draft don't result in two Hall of Famers, KD should be fired down onto the pavement.
- mohel

So KD can tear down and possibly build a team …. but can he maintain one?

Tyler Johnson's injury history makes any deal for him a non-starter IMO. Maybe next year in the last year of his deal, but it is difficult to see that one happening.

As for Lafferty and Raddyish, the Hawks would have to be blown away IMO to make a deal for either one, since they can go through the same process next season.

Do you think Reichel will be a Hawk after the draft this summer?
- jrsamu

very much so. i think they are taking the right approach with him. let him dominate in the AHL this year while the hawks stink and bring him up next year.

I think KD continues to do a solid job with the tear down phase, turning his available assets into lottery tickets (picks and prospects). He appears to have had a solid draft; time will tell how good. Many of the team's best prospects are early in their development; so we'll see how well they develop in the next several years. Hopefully we'll begin to see how well KD does with cap management in 4-5 years.

Another thing I'll be interested in is how well they scout/value their own prospects. Right now they have several decent defense prospects in Rockford/Chicago, and several more will soon make it a glut. KD needs to identify the keepers and trade the rest before the rest of the league identifies the ones who won't make it.

That said, if last year's and this year's draft don't result in two Hall of Famers, KD should be fired down onto the pavement.
- mohel

They did do a semi-purge when they launched Barratt, Beaudin . I don't see Regula, Galvas being resigned as RFA's, my guess Kaiser is signed and you have a full compliment of defenseman already at the Rock, even if you consider Roos, Mitchell and or Vlasic/Phillips on the big squad.

I don't see the Hawks going with more than 3 young defenseman on the big roster to start next year. You will still have S. Jones, one of Murphy, McCabe, and probably a Tinordi type free agent signing to round out next years defense.

That being said, i expect next years team to start playing more of the young players. This year was the tear it down blow it up, next year starts the rebuild, Bedard or not. At forward I expect Reichel, Guttman, Kurashev, Raddysh to be playing top 6 and 9 minutes. You will also probably have T. Johnson and HOPEFULLY Bedard. As said previously, the rest of the forwards will be flippable FA signings, unless Kane and Toews decide to be career BlackHawks.

They did do a semi-purge when they launched Barratt, Beaudin . I don't see Regula, Galvas being resigned as RFA's, my guess Kaiser is signed and you have a full compliment of defenseman already at the Rock, even if you consider Roos, Mitchell and or Vlasic/Phillips on the big squad.

I don't see the Hawks going with more than 3 young defenseman on the big roster to start next year. You will still have S. Jones, one of Murphy, McCabe, and probably a Tinordi type free agent signing to round out next years defense.

That being said, i expect next years team to start playing more of the young players. This year was the tear it down blow it up, next year starts the rebuild, Bedard or not. At forward I expect Reichel, Guttman, Kurashev, Raddysh to be playing top 6 and 9 minutes. You will also probably have T. Johnson and HOPEFULLY Bedard. As said previously, the rest of the forwards will be flippable FA signings, unless Kane and Toews decide to be career BlackHawks.
- LAHawk

I hope they keep Galvas. Regula I have no opinion of really. But Galvas looked solid in his call ups last year. They need to alleviate the D logjam next season. Get rid of C Jones, Murphy, Jack Johnson, likely Tinordi if someone like Vlasic can answer the bell. With Kaiser hitting Rockford and Korchinski likely hitting the NHL in my opinion, they’ll need spots. Do del Mastro and Allan also hit Rockford? Let Mitchell play full time NHL the rest of this year, he’s quicker than every other D on the team.

McCabe would not be a rental. A team looking for cost certainty for 2 more seasons after this could be interested in McCabe, especially with salary retention. As some pundits have noted the return would be greater if salary is retained so we'll see how KD handles the situation.


Yes, there are only 3 retention slots available so using one on McCabe depends on Kane's, Toews' and Domi's trade scenarios. As for using one on McCabe for 2 more seasons, who's going to need salary retention for the next 2 years? S. Jones isn't going anywhere, and I doubt if T. Johnson would have any interest at the next TDL. Ditto Mrazek. If I'm wrong on Johnson/Mrazek and a team is willing to pay the right price for them by all means use one or both on them. Those slots would be available the season after.
KD will probably sign a couple of more free agents this summer and flip them at the next TDL with retention if needed. (If Johnson/Mrazek are not flipped.) I don't see a McCabe retention now gumming up the works in the future.
- boilermaker100

Agree with you on retentions. While the Cap remains as tight or tighter than it is now retention is too valuable a commodity to trade away with a player like McCabe with 2 years remaining on his contract. You would in effect be trading 3 retention spots. Even if you do not have trade candidates for those spots in the future, you can become the 3rd party to reduce the salary of a player to 25% in a deal involving 2 other teams.

They did do a semi-purge when they launched Barratt, Beaudin . I don't see Regula, Galvas being resigned as RFA's, my guess Kaiser is signed and you have a full compliment of defenseman already at the Rock, even if you consider Roos, Mitchell and or Vlasic/Phillips on the big squad.

I don't see the Hawks going with more than 3 young defenseman on the big roster to start next year. You will still have S. Jones, one of Murphy, McCabe, and probably a Tinordi type free agent signing to round out next years defense.

That being said, i expect next years team to start playing more of the young players. This year was the tear it down blow it up, next year starts the rebuild, Bedard or not. At forward I expect Reichel, Guttman, Kurashev, Raddysh to be playing top 6 and 9 minutes. You will also probably have T. Johnson and HOPEFULLY Bedard. As said previously, the rest of the forwards will be flippable FA signings, unless Kane and Toews decide to be career BlackHawks.
- LAHawk

I’m thinking that Phillips and Vlasic will be on the big club next year, and barring a trade, probably Mitchell as well due to lack of RD ready for the show.