Maybe there is a middle ground. Obviously 1st and 2nd round picks have value, especially this year. A 3rd round pick is a lottery ticket. But I would rather resign Domi and keep McCabe than get back a 4th round pick or worse. D!ckinson, Lafferty, Raddysh, and Kurashev are under team control for next year or longer. I would also keep them if I could not get a 3rd or better.

AA, C. Jones, J. Johnson - see yeah for a late round pick
- -Doh-

There is a lot of middle ground. Players under contract for next year can be traded next year, or in the off-season, or at the draft table. No reason to take anything less than a winning trade on those contracts before this deadline.
Trade pending UFAs not named Kane or Toews all day long and get what the market will pony up. For Kane and Toews it gets real complicated. They put butts in seats in addition to everything else discussed ad nauseam.

I think so, i think they are also weighing, if Wiz is right, this draft class is superior to next year's. What if they feel their pick in the 4th this year would be better than next years? Or they can take a 4th and or 5th they traded for let's say Domi and package it in a trade to move up in the 1st, 2nd, 3rd round? Just to move up 5 to 10 spots? All kinds of scenarios but you need the draft capital to do it.
- BetweenTheDots

My ideal trade scenraios would be to get 2023 2nds for Toews, McCabe/Murphy and Domi. Hopefully a 1st for Kane. Maybe a prospect or two included in those trades along with some veteran trade dumps coming back to make the dollars work. (Someone has to fill the rosters spots in the traded players absence.)

If so, Hawks would then have 3-1sts, 5-2nds, and 2-3rds in the 2023 draft. That's eight picks in the top 64, 1/8 of the prospects in those 2 rounds.

If Davidson is looking for quality vs quantity, package 2 or 3 of those 2nd's and 3rd's to move up to the 1st round. Hawks would then have 4 of the top 32 and at least 6 of the top 64.

Another option is to package the Tampa Bay 1st and a 2nd or two to move up several spots in the 1st round.

https://twitter.com/Mario_Tirabassi/status/1623104906562355200?t=WkCFQyZX_kpkRpqFgbFs7A&s=01

What no Carolina?
- BetweenTheDots

What was San Jose doing here? Maybe looking for a player to take back in order to free up cap space for next year? Just looking at the roster, the Kevin Labanc contract stands out as one they probably would want to move.

What was San Jose doing here? Maybe looking for a player to take back in order to free up cap space for next year? Just looking at the roster, the Kevin Labanc contract stands out as one they probably would want to move.
- 333inthe3rd

Or being a middle man in a Karlsson trade?

Or being a middle man in a Karlsson trade?
- powerenforcer

Or mocking KD to his face because Bettman won’t let him win the lottery?

Or mocking KD to his face because Bettman won’t let him win the lottery?
- paulr

No that would e the Arizona scouts.

No that would e the Arizona scouts.
- powerenforcer

So Bettman meddling with the draft lottery is common knowledge and KD, Wirtz or no one else is complaining? Wonder why that is? Maybe Bettman has photos or compromising evidence of every GM and owner?

So Bettman meddling with the draft lottery is common knowledge and KD, Wirtz or no one else is complaining? Wonder why that is? Maybe Bettman has photos or compromising evidence of every GM and owner?
- paulr

The compromising evidence against Rocky is a video of the ‘we’re not talking about Kyle Beach’ or just a jpeg of Rocky’s unforgettable FUPA

So Bettman meddling with the draft lottery is common knowledge and KD, Wirtz or no one else is complaining? Wonder why that is? Maybe Bettman has photos or compromising evidence of every GM and owner?
- paulr

What's the price for playing in a 5000 seat stadium?

So by the same logic they should shun Kane, no? He assaulted a cab driver.
- Chunk

Don’t bother. The moral standards on the other end are so righteous it’s not worth talking about.

Just glad to know there are people out there who move the chains all day to fit a narrative. Btw said person is in the right. I got sucked into that vortex last week and will never do it again.

Jamie Faulkner says Chris Vosters will be back next year as TV play by play.

Also, contingency plans are being developed to honor 19 and 81 in some fashion if they leave.

Kane and Toews given a list of teams that have shown interest in them. Per Dave Pagnotta of The Fourth Period.
- boilermaker100

Saw the same thing and reads to me that hawks are going to make sure they do right by both to ensure there are no hard feelings if they go. Hawks are extremely brand conscience right now and can’t afford to make mistakes like they did with past stars and have that gaping disconnect.

I just want to know if Kane and/or toews are dealt does that finally debunk this clown from barstool being some “insider”? Think it has to.

Or being a middle man in a Karlsson trade?
- powerenforcer

It depends on how much the Hawks would retain, Karlsson has 4 years left on his contract after this season. If SJ retains 50% then the Hawks retain another 50% that's a cap hit of $2.875 million for 4 years. Unless the return for the Hawks is great it wouldn't be worth it.

What's the price for playing in a 5000 seat stadium?
- powerenforcer

It's counterintuitive, but they are actually doing better at the new arena than in Glendale when it comes to season ticket revenue: https://www.sportsnet.ca/...venue-at-small-asu-arena/

The bread and butter for a pro sports franchise is luxury suites (which are viable in the Tempe arena) and season ticket sales. When they were in the bigger arena in Glendale, they were too far away from most of the money in the Phoenix area. Being in Tempe, they are much closer to the Scottsdale money and the Phoenix money, and much closer to the Gilbert money, also. Nobody wanted to drive out to Glendale for 41 random nights a year. I know the Cardinals have the stadium in Glendale, but that's 8 or 9 random Sunday afternoons.

It depends on how much the Hawks would retain, Karlsson has 4 years left on his contract after this season. If SJ retains 50% then the Hawks retain another 50% that's a cap hit of $2.875 million for 4 years. Unless the return for the Hawks is great it wouldn't be worth it.
- DarthKane

I'm less concerned with the money and more concerned with the retained slot this would take up.

I would want a 2023 2nd (from SJ)+ to make that work. Doubt that price would be met

It depends on how much the Hawks would retain, Karlsson has 4 years left on his contract after this season. If SJ retains 50% then the Hawks retain another 50% that's a cap hit of $2.875 million for 4 years. Unless the return for the Hawks is great it wouldn't be worth it.
- DarthKane

That would require a big return, yes. Consider the Hawks got a second from the Canucks for two seasons of D*ckinson, and threw in Stillman. Karlsson is going to take a lot of creativity for San Jose to move. Plus, he has a full NMC.

Dealing Labanc gives them a little breathing room under the cap for next year. I don't see him being a big deadline move next year for them, either. They have to move him before the first puck drops next season.

It depends on how much the Hawks would retain, Karlsson has 4 years left on his contract after this season. If SJ retains 50% then the Hawks retain another 50% that's a cap hit of $2.875 million for 4 years. Unless the return for the Hawks is great it wouldn't be worth it.
- DarthKane

The Hawks need to save their 3 retentions for their own deals this year where the returns will be better than by acting as a 3rd party in deals today. This year they have a number of such possibilties. Perhaps next year things may line up better to take advantage of this tactic while cap space for teams will get even tighter. Look at all the money being thrown at in season contract extensions and we have not yet even gotten to free agency.

When Tinordi returns, both Roos and Mitchell sit. Roos went back to Rockford during the NHL break but his contract - maybe orally and or with permission - he stays at Rockford. After the trade deadline the roster probably changes. I do not expect Regula returns soon btw. Don’t believe his game was good enough defensively this season in the AHL plus it looks like recently he was out injured

What does the board think about Stauber’s future? Soderstrom was in net last two games as Rockford got back on track winning both
- jhawk59

When Tinordi returns, he's trade and hopefully McCabe, Johnson, and McCabe

When Tinordi returns, he's trade and hopefully McCabe, Johnson, and McCabe
- wiz1901

Do you mean McCabe Murphy and Johnson?

Do you mean McCabe Murphy and Johnson?
- Scott1977

Hopefully Edmonton ends up with Chychrun, then Los Angeles can turn to McCabe. If Chychrun ends up in Los Angeles, McCabe has Edmonton on his no trade list

When Tinordi returns, he's trade and hopefully McCabe, Johnson, and McCabe
- wiz1901

Why would anyone "trade," give up something for Tinordi you can find a Tinordi on any AHL roster.

Why would anyone "trade," give up something for Tinordi you can find a Tinordi on any AHL roster.
- rpeters01

We got a third for Gus, anything is possible.

[quote=LAHawk]Hopefully Edmonton ends up with Chychrun, then Los Angeles can turn to McCabe. If Chychrun ends up in Los Angeles, McCabe has
McCabe to L.A 2million retained for 2023 1st and madden or Turcotte and 2024 3rd. Thoughts?

[quote=LAHawk]Hopefully Edmonton ends up with Chychrun, then Los Angeles can turn to McCabe. If Chychrun ends up in Los Angeles, McCabe has
McCabe to L.A 2million retained for 2023 1st and madden or Turcotte and 2024 3rd. Thoughts?
- Scott1977

I hope that I’m wrong, but I don’t see anybody giving up a first for McCabe.

I hope that I’m wrong, but I don’t see anybody giving up a first for McCabe.
- Angotti

Depends on what needs a team needs to make a string run in the playoffs. I would be asking for a 1st if the Hawks retain money for two years on McCabe contract.

McCabe has two more years left at $4 mill. I don't see it happening.

Below are the possible D rentals on the likely sellers. Where does McCabe fit into this picture?

AZ

Ghost - $4.5 mill
Troy Stecher - $1.5 mill

Anaheim

Klingberg - $7 mill
Shattenkirk - $3.9 mill
Kulikov - $2.225 mill
(all have M-NTC clauses)

SJS

Scott Harrington $750K

Vancouver

Ethan Bear $1.8 mill
Travis Dermott $1.5 mill
Luke Schenn $850K

Blues

Mikkola $1.9 mill

Wings

Maatta $2.25 mill
Oesterle $1.35 mill

Ottawa

Hamonic $3 mill
Nick Holden $1.3 mill (M-NTC, 35+)

Columbus

Gavrikov $2.8 mill
Bayreuther $750K

Flyers

Justin Braun $800K (35+)

Hawks

Jack Johnson $950K (35+)