+/- is a virtually useless statistic to evaluate anything with
- eichiefs9

What’s ur reasoning

Would you do these deals?

-Kravtsov for Jeannot

-Lafferty for Gauthier and Blais?

Cuylle - Lafferty - Jeannot is a no joke 4th line.
- Slimtj100

I dont know why Chicago would want either of Blais or Gauthier, Im sure they want draft picks

It's still not really an accurate measure of anything, in either direction. He could be playing against other teams' 4th lines who are completely incapable of scoring. He could be a terrible penalty killer that lets up a PP goal half the time he touches the ice on the PK.
- eichiefs9

if your goalie gives up a poop goal, and you get a minus for it, its very irritating

I dont know why Chicago would want either of Blais or Gauthier, Im sure they want draft picks
- jimbro83

Idk I was just looking, they don’t have many guys under contract next season

Gauthier could be top 6 for them

It's still not really an accurate measure of anything, in either direction. He could be playing against other teams' 4th lines who are completely incapable of scoring. He could be a terrible penalty killer that lets up a PP goal half the time he touches the ice on the PK.
- eichiefs9

I mean, except that +/- isn’t effected by PP goals and PK goals against …….

Idk I was just looking, they don’t have many guys under contract next season
- Slimtj100

if they traded for Blais theyd have another guy not under contract next season

if your goalie gives up a poop goal, and you get a minus for it, its very irritating
- jimbro83

I think it’s relative to the team. It’s far from a be all end all stat, but if u have a team that MOST of the players are a +10, +12 etc, and then a few guys that are -10, I think that’s something to look at. If everyone is in the same category I pay less attention to it. Buts it’s definitely a stat I keep an eye on.

What’s ur reasoning
- nyrangers9479

It's presented with absolutely zero context and doesn't account for the PP or PK


Who's better:

- a first line winger that finishes the season with 92pts and a +2 rating and averages 21min/game while consistently playing against other teams' top talent

or

- a 3rd liner winger who plays 16 minutes a night against bottom 6 players and finishes with 39pts and a +8 rating

if they traded for Blais theyd have another guy not under contract next season

- jimbro83

I know lol. But the asset they get Gauthier. I wouldnt do Gauthier for lafferty if you know what I mean.

I know lol. But the asset they get Gauthier. I wouldnt do Gauthier for lafferty if you know what I mean.
- Slimtj100

Gauthier passed through waivers without getting claimed

when we were selling, we didn't want crap players, we wanted draft picks, and Im sure Chicago is looking for them too

It's presented with absolutely zero context and doesn't account for the PP or PK


Who's better:

- a first line winger that finishes the season with 92pts and a +2 rating and averages 21min/game while consistently playing against other teams' top talent

or

- a 3rd liner winger who plays 16 minutes a night against bottom 6 players and finishes with 39pts and a +8 rating
- eichiefs9

Again, PP and PK aren’t a part of +/- ………

Again, PP and PK aren’t a part of +/- ………
- nyrangers9479

look at Johnny Gaudreau, he was a +64 last year and now he's a -16 this year

its all about circumstance

It's presented with absolutely zero context and doesn't account for the PP or PK


Who's better:

- a first line winger that finishes the season with 92pts and a +2 rating and averages 21min/game while consistently playing against other teams' top talent

or

- a 3rd liner winger who plays 16 minutes a night against bottom 6 players and finishes with 39pts and a +8 rating
- eichiefs9

The guy who scores more

Never thought about it, but now that u mention it ………
- nyrangers9479

Again, PP and PK aren’t a part of +/- ………
- nyrangers9479

Yes, that's part of the reason it's not a reliable indicator of anything. It doesn't take into account a whole host of variables

look at Johnny Gaudreau, he was a +64 last year and now he's a -16 this year

its all about circumstance
- jimbro83

Trent Frederic is +20 and Ryan O'Reilly is -28

Trent Frederic is +20 and Ryan O'Reilly is -28
- eichiefs9

Boston gonna get bounced by the NYI in rd one

Boston gonna get bounced by the NYI in rd one
- Slimtj100

I hope

it's amazing that one of Toronto and Tampa wont get out of first round again

Boston gonna get bounced by the NYI in rd one
- Slimtj100

There's another good example of something where a variable isn't taken into consideration: "The Islanders are tied for a wildcard spot" sounds promising. Until you realize that the Sabres and Penguins have 3 and 4 games in hand on them, respectively

There's another good example of something where a variable isn't taken into consideration: "The Islanders are tied for a wildcard spot" sounds promising. Until you realize that the Sabres and Penguins have 3 and 4 games in hand on them, respectively
- eichiefs9

That’s the kind of team (isles) Boston should fear tho, if they fear anyone. Older grizzly veteran team like them. Defensive struggle all series.

I hope

it's amazing that one of Toronto and Tampa wont get out of first round again
- jimbro83

Imagine a Rangers isles ECF I’d be a scurred

Trent Frederic is +20 and Ryan O'Reilly is -28
- eichiefs9

Frederic is actually towards the upper/middle in +/- on his team. Orielly is LEADING his team with a -28, id say that’s not so great. U can’t compare 2 guys from 2 different teams. But u can compare them to players on their own team, that have the same goalie for whoever is on the ice.

Yes, that's part of the reason it's not a reliable indicator of anything. It doesn't take into account a whole host of variables
- eichiefs9

U were saying they could be a bad penalty killer tho and let up a goal every time their on the ice, implying that it counted.

Imagine a Rangers isles ECF I’d be a scurred
- Slimtj100

I think it would take everything I have to get through it

U were saying they could be a bad penalty killer tho and let up a goal every time their on the ice, implying that it counted.
- nyrangers9479

It does count against you if you on the ice for a penalty killer. You don't get the + if your on the power play.