Maybe Kane just has a talk with KD and says he wants to stick around to play with what ever first rounder they get this year and Reichel. Kane already said he was impressed with Reichel when he got those few games a couple weeks ago.

Is Kotkaniemi just in the way at this point? I've only seen two CAR games this year in Nov, but he just seemed like the definition of "some guy on the ice".
- Chunk

Nah. He's not ever going not be some offensive dynamo but he's been alright. Has the highest points-per-60 rate on the team over the past 20 games, interestingly enough.

Maybe Kane just has a talk with KD and says he wants to stick around to play with what ever first rounder they get this year and Reichel. Kane already said he was impressed with Reichel when he got those few games a couple weeks ago.
- Chunk

Kane has definitely earned the right to stick around, but I think if he does they need him to buy into the style KD and LR have in their vision for the team. I think back to when KD was talking rebuild and what he and Richardson align on for how they want the team to play. Kane can have a place in that, but he hasn't really shown it this season so far. I know I'm being a bit critical of Kane, he is very talented, but I want to see more fire to win night after night.

Claude Giroux last TDL same age as Kane is now, had about .75 ppg with Philly before the trade. Kane has .75 ppg this season.

Giroux supposedly only had 1 destination in mind, Florida. Flyers obtained a 1st, 3rd and a lesser prospect in return.

Just need a team desperate enough to try and win a Cup this year for Chicago to reap a similar return for Kane if he waives and names a few destinations. Every year GM's overpay at the deadline feeling they are that one player away. Chicago can only hope that all the pieces fall into place.

Maybe Kane just has a talk with KD and says he wants to stick around to play with what ever first rounder they get this year and Reichel. Kane already said he was impressed with Reichel when he got those few games a couple weeks ago.
- Chunk

Wouldn’t be upset with keeping Kane. Reichel will be a full timer next season on LW, Hawks will have one of Bedard, Fantilli, or Carlsson if they finish dead last.

Couple that with the graduation of Mitchell, Vlasic, and some combination of Galvas, Phillips, Korchinski, etc and the team will have more young talent than any team since 2010. The Hawks also have to spend to the cap floor, meaning more rental pieces but most likely forwards in shorter deals at higher AAVs.

Well I should be able to see the results of the wreckage 1st hand.

I just got notified by a vendor of ours I "won" a pair of Hawks tickets (great seats, blueline, 8 rows off the glass).

A Saturday night against Nashville. The date...03/04/2023. The day after the trade deadline.


- Rota's Rooter

Don't worry, I've read over and over how T & K aren't moving, all the other teams think they suck and don't need them.

They'll be all fired up the deadline is over, they'll come out and play relaxed and tear up the league, and you'll be there for the start of it.......

Well I should be able to see the results of the wreckage 1st hand.

I just got notified by a vendor of ours I "won" a pair of Hawks tickets (great seats, blueline, 8 rows off the glass).

A Saturday night against Nashville. The date...03/04/2023. The day after the trade deadline.


- Rota's Rooter

Bring ear plugs, especially down that low. The sound will bounce off the glass and back at you. The timeouts will be the worst.

Bring ear plugs, especially down that low. The sound will bounce off the glass and back at you. The timeouts will be the worst.
- 6628

We all have turned into "Get off my lawn" guys

Maybe Kane just has a talk with KD and says he wants to stick around to play with what ever first rounder they get this year and Reichel. Kane already said he was impressed with Reichel when he got those few games a couple weeks ago.
- Chunk

That would require KD wanting to give Kane a new contract. That is no slam dunk.

That would require KD wanting to give Kane a new contract. That is no slam dunk.

- rpeters01

Please don't bring the NBA into this conversation.

That would require KD wanting to give Kane a new contract. That is no slam dunk.

- rpeters01

I think it is, assuming Kane wants to be back.

The team has just $38m committed next season to 12 players. The floor is $61m, so they're required to spend at least $23 million. Assuming you've got 4-5 kids on ELC's coming up next year (Vlasic, Phillips, Reichel, maybe KK and whoever our 1st round pick next year is), then you've got at least $18 million to spend on 5 players - and that's the bare minimum.

This team needs to spend money next year, so may as well do it on retaining our own high-end talent.

That would require KD wanting to give Kane a new contract. That is no slam dunk.

- rpeters01

Yes it will, it is called selling seats (and jerseys) as Kane chases records (if he stays)

Ben Pope
@BenPopeCST
Patrick Kane says he’s still undecided about the trade possibility — he’s going to take it up to the deadline — but a few teams have already reached out to his agent, Pat Brisson.

“There’s definitely opportunities out there that are intriguing and could be exciting. We’ll see.”
- LAHawk

I read this and from the start was calling bullpoop.

It doesn't work the way Kane and his agent and KD are described to be handling it.

Teams have contacted his agent if he would come to them in a trade!

Does that sound like nothing is happening?

At some point each team that has made an inquiry to agent Brisson is gonna want a yes / No / maybe but I don't think they are gonna sit on their hands near the deadline waiting for it.

If a team wants to jump into the veteran trade pool, they will want an answer sooner than "the deadline" because they will look at other options.

We all have turned into "Get off my lawn" guys
- vabeachbear

I know the old line is if it's too loud you're too old. And I'm getting old. And if it was the crowd that was the loudest thing there I'm fine with that. I basically grew up in the old barn and spent 20+ years most every game in the UC. But the artificial sounds like the music and the a'holes with the microphones when the game is not going have become intolerable. I was there in November and if I ever get dragged to that place again I'm bringing the ear plugs I use for NASCAR. I hope Rota comments after he attends the game in March.

What i do agree with Boiler is that Brisson is conducting the orchestra, and whatever happens, trade or stay is being engineered primarily by him.

BTW Toews absent from practice again.
- LAHawk

I doubt Brisson is making the call. I am sure he is going over every option with them. He is in regular contact with KD. But at the end of the day Toews and Kane are making the decision.

https://www.bleachernatio...blackhawks-in-the-future/

You know this is why i want as many swing and misses as we can get. Interesting look back

https://www.bleachernation.com/blackhawks/2023/02/06/these-5-recent-trade-deadline-day-deals-could-help-the-blackhawks-in-the-future/

You know this is why i want as many swing and misses as we can get. Interesting look back
- BetweenTheDots

Each one of those trades, the player the Hawks traded was going to be a UFA. Lafferty is signed for next year why I would want an overpay for him, not just to trade for a swing or a miss.

Each one of those trades, the player the Hawks traded was going to be a UFA. Lafferty is signed for next year why I would want an overpay for him, not just to trade for a swing or a miss.
- LAHawk

Lafferty seems like the type of player that you want your young guys to model themselves after, at least in Richardson's system. I'd sign him to an extension.

Lafferty seems like the type of player that you want your young guys to model themselves after, at least in Richardson's system. I'd sign him to an extension.
- Dieselhead

Agree unless a Hagel type deal is talked about then keep him.

Agree unless a Hagel type deal is talked about then keep him.
- Scott1977

So it's going to take two firsts for you to let him go, hahaha hahaha

You guys are crazy

Agree unless a Hagel type deal is talked about then keep him.
- Scott1977

I’d take half of the return for Hagel.

I think we need to stop looking for a Hagel-type return. That was a one in a lifetime situation with a young 20+ goal scorer with an extremely low cap hit for 2.5 seasons. Kane won’t bring back as much as Hagel did.

I think the Hawks are going to be a lot less active at the TDL than we expect.

Agree unless a Hagel type deal is talked about then keep him.
- Scott1977

Laffery's biggest value is what he can bring back. If he can be flipped for multiple assets then you do it. He is a nice player but at the point in our rebuild his value is higher to the franchise by the pieces he can bring us and not helping us win as we really wanna finish last!

Lafferty seems like the type of player that you want your young guys to model themselves after, at least in Richardson's system. I'd sign him to an extension.
- Dieselhead

Yeah, he's not going to get you a first, he is not a true finisher, so it is a stretch to think a team gives you a first or second, so I try and get picks in the later rounds by discards of others, like the four defenders Tinordi, Johnson, McCabe and Murphy.

Lafferty, as you said, sets a true tone in his play so I am not one who thinks every player should be on the market. I want as many swing and misses as we can get with most of the others.

I do want as many picks as we can get in the first couple rounds in 2023, because then, you can work the board. These side pieces you might end up adding more from 2024.

Stalock included.

Yeah, he's not going to get you a first, he is not a true finisher, so it is a stretch to think a team gives you a first or second, so I try and get picks in the later rounds by discards of others, like the four defenders Tinordi, Johnson, McCabe and Murphy.

Lafferty, as you said, sets a true tone in his play so I am not one who thinks every player should be on the market. I want as many swing and misses as we can get with most of the others.

I do want as many picks as we can get in the first couple rounds in 2023, because then, you can work the board. These side pieces you might end up adding more from 2024.

Stalock included.
- wiz1901

McCabe might get you a first if you retain. If Ben Chiarot fetched a first anything is possible.

Yeah, he's not going to get you a first, he is not a true finisher, so it is a stretch to think a team gives you a first or second, so I try and get picks in the later rounds by discards of others, like the four defenders Tinordi, Johnson, McCabe and Murphy.

Lafferty, as you said, sets a true tone in his play so I am not one who thinks every player should be on the market. I want as many swing and misses as we can get with most of the others.

I do want as many picks as we can get in the first couple rounds in 2023, because then, you can work the board. These side pieces you might end up adding more from 2024.

Stalock included.
- wiz1901

Unless I am not seeing the trade deadline closely, my friend wiz, it appears Darth Kane is right when he predicts that KD won’t be making a lot of trades at the deadline.

Maybe three deals IF IF IF we trade two defensemen. And IF IF IF we trade two forwards as many as four trades could go down. I just don’t really care to move players just to get a 4th, for example, since I would rather choose to be more competitive not moving so many guys. Beside that, one of the forwards and one of the D/men could depart as part of a trade package next year.

What I do like is to have as many picks in the first two rounds in ‘23 and maybe we would accept a third ‘23 by trading just one more of our Dmen or
forwards - so like three trades maximum

Getting back to what Darth Kane said about not expecting too much……. What would a team give up for Kane when he could easily be injured - the hip gets worse or another injury- during the playoff stretch drive. And btw is Kane going to be a rental?

More so nowadays that first round selection is like gold; it is where your difference makers are found (gained). Big free agent signing and salary cap issues are just becoming even tougher to work around. Compliant buyouts used by a team already? This is another factor causing headaches for a GM who wishes to load up for playoffs.

I do not like to be the harbinger of bad news; however, how long would it take for a complete health return from hip surgery. Trading Kane at ‘24 deadline is something that is not automatic should he not be dealt this year.

So like you said, wiz, if we can get as many picks so KD can play the board and draft players he particularly covets…..that is what I too like to see happen

I just am somewhat skeptical though if we can actually get enough second round picks. Third rounders are more about getting a sleeper, a project, a player whose rating has slipped even in this stronger, deep draft….right wiz. Maybe some GM’s trade us a 2nd for Murphy if we give back a third IF you cannot get a 2nd straight up for a Murphy or McCabe.

I wish we could trade both Athansiou and Tinordi plus our third for a middle round #2 but I am not expecting such philanthropia. Besides we gain even two more picks then we do well to keep a couple marketable players insofar as to be more competitive immediate and short term. They can be moved later (summertime or next year deadline)

I am watching if Wise does wind up here and can he advance to NHL

As well Kaiser ready sooner than expected if he decides to turn pro. Kaiser though needs to get stronger for NHL duty/grind.