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drexel
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Corn Pop was a bad dude, AB
Joined: 06.29.2006

Feb 5 @ 4:51 PM ET
3-3 tie 😔

What a joke

- mr.sir

Shoulda tried a little harder
Fakepartofme
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Living rent free... in your head, ON
Joined: 09.20.2010

Feb 5 @ 4:51 PM ET
I think for a center over a PPG that it's probably pretty reasonable at age 27.
- Aaron_85

But hes only been a ppg this season.
Nasty_Duck
Boston Bruins
Location: ON
Joined: 06.20.2012

Feb 5 @ 4:55 PM ET
Now the isles win the Horvat trade by a landslide.
- joel878


He's yet to play a game for the Isle so... wouldn't depend on how he performs over the term of the contact?
drexel
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Corn Pop was a bad dude, AB
Joined: 06.29.2006

Feb 5 @ 5:07 PM ET
Chinese spy balloon is the new inanimate carbon rod. I miss it
mr.sir
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Vancouver Island, BC
Joined: 01.18.2015

Feb 5 @ 5:25 PM ET
Chinese spy balloon is the new inanimate carbon rod. I miss it
- drexel

In Rod we trust
joel878
Joined: 06.13.2009

Feb 5 @ 5:26 PM ET
He's yet to play a game for the Isle so... wouldn't depend on how he performs over the term of the contact?
- Nasty_Duck


Not much risk involved to find out.

You want to land a player like that you typically have to insanley overpay on the open market or shell out a boatload of top flight assets. Lou did pretty good for what comparables have gone for in the past and locked him up long term at a fairly competitive rate.
Atomic Wedgie
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: The centre of the hockey universe
Joined: 07.31.2006

Feb 5 @ 5:33 PM ET
Lou gets to be the big news in NY sports for six minutes until the Nets trade Kyrie.
- Canada Cup

From Sportsnet:

Lou Lamoriello doesn't like disclosing the details of his contracts, but he apparently has no issue divulging how he feels about them.

While speaking to reporters after signing centre Bo Horvat to an eight-year extension, the New York Islanders general manager declined to share any specifics about the contract before stating bluntly: "All I can tell ya is it's too long and it's too much money."

"I mean, you want the truth? Next question," he added, while chuckling.
Skalapy
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: I'm sick of your "I play real , NC
Joined: 07.11.2006

Feb 5 @ 5:39 PM ET
Not even a roller rink?
- Woderwick

next time you’re in cally you can leave it off the itinerary 🤦🏿‍♂️🤣
Aaron_85
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 04.22.2014

Feb 5 @ 6:11 PM ET
But hes only been a ppg this season.
- Fakepartofme


Career years have historically paid players slightly above what they may have gotten. However, he's aged 27, PPG in career year on a terrible canucks team, 2nd line center. I think it's pretty fair. It likely won't be considered great value or underpaid but with hopefully the cap jumping within the next 36 months, it'll be right where guys sign.

The best part of the deal we can agree on is he isn't walking to UFA and signing with the bruins.
Aaron_85
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 04.22.2014

Feb 5 @ 6:16 PM ET
Chinese spy balloon is the new inanimate carbon rod. I miss it
- drexel


Deserves a cover photo on Time magazine
Woderwick
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: David Clarkson's Water Bottle, ON
Joined: 02.12.2013

Feb 5 @ 6:24 PM ET
next time you’re in cally you can leave it off the itinerary 🤦🏿‍♂️🤣
- Skalapy

Damn! What do I replace it with?
Canada Cup
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: ,all day against anybody.” Mr. Cooper , ON
Joined: 07.06.2007

Feb 5 @ 6:25 PM ET
Career years have historically paid players slightly above what they may have gotten. However, he's aged 27, PPG in career year on a terrible canucks team, 2nd line center. I think it's pretty fair. It likely won't be considered great value or underpaid but with hopefully the cap jumping within the next 36 months, it'll be right where guys sign.

The best part of the deal we can agree on is he isn't walking to UFA and signing with the bruins.

- Aaron_85

I don’t think the question is whether the number is right. Once Lou traded for him he had to sign him. To me the bigger question is one of fit and why you’d bring him in to begin with.

NYI is basically Barzall, a few good D and a goalie. Beyond that they have a core of guys making good coin who are in their 30’s and locked in for a while. What does Horvat bring that group? I don’t see them getting far this year and Lee, Pageau and gang aren’t going to get betting in the next few years and Horvat is just eating up a big chunk of space and trade assets that could have been used to rebuild.

I think Lou was feeling the heat and needed a home run or the owners wanted a splash to get bums in the seats of their new building in the short run.
Canada Cup
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: ,all day against anybody.” Mr. Cooper , ON
Joined: 07.06.2007

Feb 5 @ 6:26 PM ET
Damn! What do I replace it with?
- Woderwick

Muscle Beach silly
Aaron_85
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 04.22.2014

Feb 5 @ 6:39 PM ET
I don’t think the question is whether the number is right. Once Lou traded for him he had to sign him. To me the bigger question is one of fit and why you’d bring him in to begin with.

NYI is basically Barzall, a few good D and a goalie. Beyond that they have a core of guys making good coin who are in their 30’s and locked in for a while. What does Horvat bring that group? I don’t see them getting far this year and Lee, Pageau and gang aren’t going to get betting in the next few years and Horvat is just eating up a big chunk of space and trade assets that could have been used to rebuild.

I think Lou was feeling the heat and needed a home run or the owners wanted a splash to get bums in the seats of their new building in the short run.

- Canada Cup


Right they are aging. Horvat fits into a younger crowd in his prime for the team. It isn't a terrible deal.
drexel
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Corn Pop was a bad dude, AB
Joined: 06.29.2006

Feb 5 @ 6:48 PM ET
Muscle Beach silly
- Canada Cup

So 21 peters basement?
Canada Cup
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: ,all day against anybody.” Mr. Cooper , ON
Joined: 07.06.2007

Feb 5 @ 6:52 PM ET
Right they are aging. Horvat fits into a younger crowd in his prime for the team. It isn't a terrible deal.
- Aaron_85

But the problem is that there’s not really a winning core there for him to fit into to actually accomplish anything. There’s Barzal, a good goalie and a few defencemen. If you were adding him to the Bruins or the Leafs, it would make sense. Maybe there are some great youngsters on the Isles that I don’t know about but it seems like the most significant impact of his signing is that it limits their ability to do what needs to be done. He’s not a game changer for that team as far as I can see.
Woderwick
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: David Clarkson's Water Bottle, ON
Joined: 02.12.2013

Feb 5 @ 6:54 PM ET
So 21 peters basement?
- drexel

21 peters.
Sounds like Kevin Spacey’s biography.

No wait!
It’s the Rangers dressing room.
Woderwick
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: David Clarkson's Water Bottle, ON
Joined: 02.12.2013

Feb 5 @ 6:59 PM ET
But the problem is that there’s not really a winning core there for him to fit into to actually accomplish anything. There’s Barzal, a good goalie and a few defencemen. If you were adding him to the Bruins or the Leafs, it would make sense. Maybe there are some great youngsters on the Isles that I don’t know about but it seems like the most significant impact of his signing is that it limits their ability to do what needs to be done. He’s not a game changer for that team as far as I can see.
- Canada Cup

Winning Schminning. Boy got paid.
Canada Cup
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: ,all day against anybody.” Mr. Cooper , ON
Joined: 07.06.2007

Feb 5 @ 7:11 PM ET
So 21 peters basement?
- drexel

The NDA prohibits me from disclosing details
Canada Cup
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: ,all day against anybody.” Mr. Cooper , ON
Joined: 07.06.2007

Feb 5 @ 7:12 PM ET
Winning Schminning. Boy got paid.
- Woderwick

Oh, good on him
fifty__missions
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Burkie's Rented Barn, ON
Joined: 02.12.2013

Feb 5 @ 7:19 PM ET
But the problem is that there’s not really a winning core there for him to fit into to actually accomplish anything. There’s Barzal, a good goalie and a few defencemen. If you were adding him to the Bruins or the Leafs, it would make sense. Maybe there are some great youngsters on the Isles that I don’t know about but it seems like the most significant impact of his signing is that it limits their ability to do what needs to be done. He’s not a game changer for that team as far as I can see.
- Canada Cup


They don't play flash high octane regular season hockey. However they have shown they can play tight playoff hockey, quite well in fact. I doubt the Islanders would be the Bruins first choice for a round 1 matchup if they could choose. We'll see how it plays out.

What's a "winning core"? The Islanders have been in two conference finals in the past four years.
Woderwick
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: David Clarkson's Water Bottle, ON
Joined: 02.12.2013

Feb 5 @ 7:32 PM ET
Muscle Beach silly
- Canada Cup

I love mussels, but won’t they be gritty?
Canada Cup
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: ,all day against anybody.” Mr. Cooper , ON
Joined: 07.06.2007

Feb 5 @ 7:47 PM ET
They don't play flash high octane regular season hockey. However they have shown they can play tight playoff hockey, quite well in fact. I doubt the Islanders would be the Bruins first choice for a round 1 matchup if they could choose. We'll see how it plays out.

What's a "winning core"? The Islanders have been in two conference finals in the past four years.

- fifty__missions

A team that has a decent shot of making the playoffs
Aaron_85
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 04.22.2014

Feb 5 @ 7:52 PM ET
But the problem is that there’s not really a winning core there for him to fit into to actually accomplish anything. There’s Barzal, a good goalie and a few defencemen. If you were adding him to the Bruins or the Leafs, it would make sense. Maybe there are some great youngsters on the Isles that I don’t know about but it seems like the most significant impact of his signing is that it limits their ability to do what needs to be done. He’s not a game changer for that team as far as I can see.
- Canada Cup



They have a lot of guys signed and some free agents or guys with 1 year remaining to make moves in the off season if need be.
Canada Cup
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: ,all day against anybody.” Mr. Cooper , ON
Joined: 07.06.2007

Feb 5 @ 8:20 PM ET
They have a lot of guys signed and some free agents or guys with 1 year remaining to make moves in the off season if need be.
- Aaron_85

They’ve got $33M locked up on guys in their 30’s for anywhere from 2-5 years (one of them comes off after next year). They all have NTCs

Hardly any money is freed up in this off season. Varlamov makes $5, Mayfield makes just under $1.5 and there are a few around the league minimum.

They’re just kind of stuck in the middle. Instead of building, Lou used a pick, a prospect and a guy he could have traded for more picks and/or prospects for basically a 2C who won’t take them very far and ties up $.
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