I believe you’re on record here saying it was a give on Fletchers part on term and money, what would that imply? That it’s a good contract?
- ClaudeFather

Sanheim is a good player. I just stated a short time ago that I don't consider Sanheim a max term player. What is ultimately going to decide if it is a good contract or not is how well he plays over the life of the contract.

Sanheim is a good player. I just stated a short time ago that I don't consider Sanheim a max term player. What is ultimately going to decide if it is a good contract or not is how well he plays over the life of the contract.
- MJL

He’s a good player who’s overpaid and didn’t deserve term like that. He will never be a PP guy, he’s been able to provide points in the past at even strength, we’ve seen what he is. I highly doubt there is more to give in his game . He’s also having a terrible year

I guess that depends on who is doing the slicing. I disagree with you.
- MJL

Disagree all you want. It was dumb af signing. Prove it otherwise.

He’s a good player who’s overpaid and didn’t deserve term like that. He will never be a PP guy, he’s been able to provide points in the past at even strength, we’ve seen what he is. I highly doubt there is more to give in his game . He’s also having a terrible year
- ClaudeFather

His cap hit is fine and the going rate for a player of his caliber. If he's never a PP guy, a big reason why is they've never really given him a chance to be a PP guy. I wouldn't say he's having a terrible year. I'd say he has slipped since paired with Angelo.

Disagree all you want. It was dumb af signing. Prove it otherwise.
- Robert's Plant

Sure, right after you prove that it is.

His cap hit is fine and the going rate for a player of his caliber. If he's never a PP guy, a big reason why is they've never really given him a chance to be a PP guy. I wouldn't say he's having a terrible year. I'd say he has slipped since paired with Angelo.
- MJL

There’s a reason he doesn’t get much of a chance. And York is already a better option, as is TDA

There’s a reason he doesn’t get much of a chance. And York is already a better option, as is TDA
- ClaudeFather

Cam York has played 24 games and he has 1 PP point on the season. Neither you nor I know that York is a better option. Sanheim has never really been given a significant opportunity to play on the PP and that has been a mistake.

Cam York has played 24 games and he has 1 PP point on the season. Neither you nor I know that York is a better option. Sanheim has never really been given a significant opportunity to play on the PP and that has been a mistake.
- MJL

We will see once TDA leaves who takes over PP1, it sure as hell won’t be Sanheim. Nor should it be, Sanheim does not have what it takes to run a Pp at the NHL level

We will see once TDA leaves who takes over PP1, it sure as hell won’t be Sanheim. Nor should it be, Sanheim does not have what it takes to run a Pp at the NHL level
- ClaudeFather

Again, that's a baseless opinion. You don't know that. Parts of a players game can be developed with time and experience. It was and has always been a mistake for the Flyers to not try and develop that part of his game.

Again, that's a baseless opinion. You don't know that. Parts of a players game can be developed with time and experience. It was and has always been a mistake for the Flyers to not try and develop that part of his game.
- MJL

Pp is usually not a developed aspect of a players game, specifically Dmen. It’s pretty clear who’s skill set works there and who’s doesn’t.

Pp is usually not a developed aspect of a players game, specifically Dmen. It’s pretty clear who’s skill set works there and who’s doesn’t.
- ClaudeFather

I completely disagree with that. Sanheim clearly has offensive skill.

You’re doing everything you can to take any responsibility from the player or dope GM who picked him. Scouts and GM should have done their homework
- ClaudeFather

No, I'm really not. The kid was a 50 goal scorer in juniors and won a Memorial Cup. By most accounts he was a good pick. Yes he was a project but he had obvious upside and that is the kind of player you take in the 2nd round.

Your comment suggests that in your mind this case is some sort of outlier instead of the norm with MANY draft picks in this organization. Your comment suggests you believe the team has been clear as to what they expect from him and what kind of player they want him to be. Sure the player bears some responsibility. But he can only play the way they want him to play. And it seems to me the way they want him to play seems to change with the way the wind blows. You don't scratch a kid for 13 games and then scratch him again after he takes a penalty in his first game back.

Ratcliffe is by no means the only player this has happened to in this organization.

Isles extend Horvat, 8 years at 8.5 million per.

They never learn. Horvat is a good 2C having a career year, his career shooting % is 14.7 but he’s at 21+ this year. Yeah, that’s sustainable, lol.
-BiggE

Its about how Horvat is trending more than anything else. This is his 2nd season in a row where he has 30+ goals, and he had 27 goals a few seasons ago, plus his shooting % was 14.5% in 2020-21, 16% last year and 21.7% this year. He is peaking at the right time and is in his prime, so IMO he earned the contract he got.

The "gamble" was lost? You know this. Sanheim does not belong in that group.
- MJL

Sanheim absolutely belongs in this group. How can you possibly stomach 8 years at $6.25M per for what this guy brings to the table? Its probably the worst contract Fletcher has every given a player! Deslauriers' contract is peanuts and the Flyers can get rid of it any time they want to. He does not belong on this list.

Cam York has played 24 games and he has 1 PP point on the season. Neither you nor I know that York is a better option. Sanheim has never really been given a significant opportunity to play on the PP and that has been a mistake.
- MJL

If Sanheim could play on the PP he would be on the PP. The Flyers have had four coaches here since Sanheim has been playing on the team, Hakstol, AV, Yeo and now Torts. None of them have played Samheim on the PP. Why is that? Is it another conspiracy against a player? Or, do four professional coaches who worked with this player every single day determine he is not cut out for the role? And yet the idiot Fletcher signs him to a max deal!??!

No, I'm really not. The kid was a 50 goal scorer in juniors and won a Memorial Cup. By most accounts he was a good pick. Yes he was a project but he had obvious upside and that is the kind of player you take in the 2nd round.

Your comment suggests that in your mind this case is some sort of outlier instead of the norm with MANY draft picks in this organization. Your comment suggests you believe the team has been clear as to what they expect from him and what kind of player they want him to be. Sure the player bears some responsibility. But he can only play the way they want him to play. And it seems to me the way they want him to play seems to change with the way the wind blows. You don't scratch a kid for 13 games and then scratch him again after he takes a penalty in his first game back.

Ratcliffe is by no means the only player this has happened to in this organization.
- MBFlyerfan

Based on what facts? This is pure speculation on your part. How do you know what the coaches have been telling Ratcliff. I thought he looked pretty good on the 10 NHL games also; I thought he skated well and was not afraid to get to the dirty areas of the ice. But again, coaches see and work with the kid every day so they know a lot more than you and I. Its complete nonsense to suggest a professional organization would change their message the way the wind blows. Sure there has to be some impact from going from AV, to Yeo to Torts, but again if Ratcliff could play consistently at a professional level he would be playing. You make such a blanket statement when several other players are developing really well, for example Hart, Ersson, York, Noah Cates, Tippet and recently Frost. Foerster is developing, so is Lyksell and Desnoyers. Why have they been able to develop under the same coaches and circumstances and not Ratcliff? Your statements just don't add up.

His cap hit is fine and the going rate for a player of his caliber. If he's never a PP guy, a big reason why is they've never really given him a chance to be a PP guy. I wouldn't say he's having a terrible year. I'd say he has slipped since paired with Angelo.
- MJL

most players slip once they sign the big deal. I am willing to see how he plays going forward, I do believe this team will continue to get better, contend? nah but their current path will be better. Sanheim should play better as the team does and the contract marinates. Yeah, to long but I get it. Oilers can fit him in, they deal for him and see a D in his prime who can skate with their group

He had 3 coaches not want to give PP time, could be telling

https://phillyhockeynow.c...umors-new-york-islanders/

I would be happier if this was reported by someone other than San Carchidi but I'll tell you right now the "very good team" he is referring to is Boston!

Sanheim absolutely belongs in this group. How can you possibly stomach 8 years at $6.25M per for what this guy brings to the table? Its probably the worst contract Fletcher has every given a player! Deslauriers' contract is peanuts and the Flyers can get rid of it any time they want to. He does not belong on this list.
- jd250

All I can do is laugh at this.

If Sanheim could play on the PP he would be on the PP. The Flyers have had four coaches here since Sanheim has been playing on the team, Hakstol, AV, Yeo and now Torts. None of them have played Samheim on the PP. Why is that? Is it another conspiracy against a player? Or, do four professional coaches who worked with this player every single day determine he is not cut out for the role? And yet the idiot Fletcher signs him to a max deal!??!
- jd250

This sounds eerily familiar to numerous conversations you and I have had in the past. Those same coaches also played and continued to play Provorov on the PP even though he has been largely ineffective. How many of those coaches before Tortorella played Laughton on the PP? That alone refutes your above comments.

https://phillyhockeynow.com/2023/02/05/philadelphia-flyers-kevin-hayes-trade-talk-report-team-showing-interest-in-acquiring-rumors-new-york-islanders/

I would be happier if this was reported by someone other than San Carchidi but I'll tell you right now the "very good team" he is referring to is Boston!


- jd250

First of all, Carchidi is not the source. Kevin Allen is. Do you when forming an opinion, apply any logic? Boston currently has Bergeron, Krejci, and Coyle at center. The article says the interested team wants to move him back to center. Boston is not taking on that contract.

https://phillyhockeynow.com/2023/02/05/philadelphia-flyers-kevin-hayes-trade-talk-report-team-showing-interest-in-acquiring-rumors-new-york-islanders/

I would be happier if this was reported by someone other than San Carchidi but I'll tell you right now the "very good team" he is referring to is Boston!


- jd250

First of all, Carchidi is not the source. Kevin Allen is. Do you when forming an opinion, apply any logic? Boston currently has Bergeron, Krejci, and Coyle at center. The article says the interested team wants to move him back to center. Boston is not taking on that contract.

This sounds eerily familiar to numerous conversations you and I have had in the past. Those same coaches also played and continued to play Provorov on the PP even though he has been largely ineffective. How many of those coaches before Tortorella played Laughton on the PP? That alone refutes your above comments.
- MJL

Laughton was put on the PP by Torts for one simple reason. He really had no choice due to lake of depth at the forward position. It's worked out better than I suspected it would, but this was a move made out of necessity more than anything else.

Laughton was put on the PP by Torts for one simple reason. He really had no choice due to lake of depth at the forward position. It's worked out better than I suspected it would, but this was a move made out of necessity more than anything else.
- Phillywhiteout

No kidding.

Based on what facts? This is pure speculation on your part. How do you know what the coaches have been telling Ratcliff. I thought he looked pretty good on the 10 NHL games also; I thought he skated well and was not afraid to get to the dirty areas of the ice. But again, coaches see and work with the kid every day so they know a lot more than you and I. Its complete nonsense to suggest a professional organization would change their message the way the wind blows. Sure there has to be some impact from going from AV, to Yeo to Torts, but again if Ratcliff could play consistently at a professional level he would be playing. You make such a blanket statement when several other players are developing really well, for example Hart, Ersson, York, Noah Cates, Tippet and recently Frost. Foerster is developing, so is Lyksell and Desnoyers. Why have they been able to develop under the same coaches and circumstances and not Ratcliff? Your statements just don't add up.
- jd250

Ersson is not a full time NHL player yet.
Hart was really rushed to the big leagues
York has been mishandled
Cates is being played out of position
Tippet is just being giving ice time. How much would he be getting if Atkinson was playing? Same situation with Frost if Couturier was playing. Frost was badly mishandled by this organization.
Foerster, Lyksell and Desnoyers are AHL players.
The Flyers organizations issue with player development is well documented. There is plenty of information out there written by the "pundits" you like to follow.