Re the horvat isles deal, isles can always move him at the deadline if need be, not that he could command the deal they paid out to get him, but he won't be worthless if they are out of the playoffs at the trade deadline.

hextall has been unimpressive to say the least. I don't mind the ruuta signing, nor his play, you get what you pay for, he's not that offensive minded but he's decent enough defensively and not a pylon.

kap, carter, desmith, those contracts all have me questioning hextall. I mean, he was a nutty ass goalie, for our rivals none the less, and hadn't shown much success as a GM, other than maybe LA for a year or 2. so I am not really sure how he ended up here. doesn't matter much at this point but Billy G would've been a better addition I think.

I think if you don’t include the top six as part of the problem then all arguments are moot. Even Crosby’s 200 ft game has slipped this season. The whole team isn’t good enough and it starts at the top, romance aside.

Remember your GM is a good ole boy retread, And he has never won anything as a management person so should anyone really be surprised by Hextalls performance thus far.

Remember your GM is a good ole boy retread, And he has never won anything as a management person so should anyone really be surprised by Hextalls performance thus far.
- Shady1962

But but he kept the boys together!!

Remember your GM is a good ole boy retread, And he has never won anything as a management person so should anyone really be surprised by Hextalls performance thus far.
- Shady1962

He did win the Cup in 2012 as Assistant GM.

C'mon guys, everyone on here is complaining about how they can't make a post-season run because Jarry is always injured. How about this trade, John Gibson for Jarry and Zucker? The Pens get a quality goalie for as long as Crosby, Malkin, and Letang are signed AND get $2 million in cap space this season to add to the roster.

C'mon guys, everyone on here is complaining about how they can't make a post-season run because Jarry is always injured. How about this trade, John Gibson for Jarry and Zucker? The Pens get a quality goalie for as long as Crosby, Malkin, and Letang are signed AND get $2 million in cap space this season to add to the roster.
- duxcup07

Gibson sucks.

Hextal should get off his ass and fix our third line.

Also I do not give a (frank) what moves the islanders make. They are bad.

Gibson sucks.
- j.boyd919

No, he's just not worth Zucker as an upgrade over Jarry.

...go all-in every year and the future be damned.

I don't agree with it, as I think the window is closed...but I'm not the GM.
- jmatchett383

I agree with you but my guess is think thinking is always:

1. I'd gladly pay you Tuesday for a hamburger today
2. GMs don't survive rebuilds and don't have to pay the bill after they get fired
3. There's no guarantee with a rebuild so swing for the fences seems like just as legit an option

I'm resigned to them losing every pick until 2030.

C'mon guys, everyone on here is complaining about how they can't make a post-season run because Jarry is always injured. How about this trade, John Gibson for Jarry and Zucker? The Pens get a quality goalie for as long as Crosby, Malkin, and Letang are signed AND get $2 million in cap space this season to add to the roster.
- duxcup07

The Pens need a center more than anything. A backup goalie would be my second priority. We'd take Henrique off your hands, but the Pens have nothing to offer.

The Pens need a center more than anything. A backup goalie would be my second priority. We'd take Henrique off your hands, but the Pens have nothing to offer.
- madmike71

Oh Henrique... I like that for 3C...almost 6 mill cap hit though...

C U Next TuesdaY Everyone knows what that means Figure it out

Oh Henrique... I like that for 3C...almost 6 mill cap hit though...
- MattStrat

Our 1st, 3rd and Kappy for Henrique with some retention. Maybe throw in one of our "prospects". We get him next year too.

It seemed like Beauvillier scored against the Pens constantly, especially in the playoffs, so I am glad to see him in the other conference now.

And while CDS is bad, even for a backup, the team frequently gives up high quality chances against. Even a better goalie is going to let in a good number of these quality chances but a lesser goalie like CDS will let in much more. To use the goals against of the Florida game as an example, Petry was 100% responsible for the first one for being out of position so much. CDS had no chance on this one. And Rakell was mostly responsible for the last one against, for making a horrible pass at the Pens' blue line resulting in a short breakaway against, with little time left on the clock. I think part of the reason why Jarry gets injured so much is because of the bad spots his team puts him in. CDS just lets in lots of goals when put in these spots. Everyone, especially the forwards, has to play better defensively.

There are few things Jim Rutherford likes more than the Cheesecake Factory, one of them is former first round picks. It doesn’t really matter if they are good, bad, or in-between. He collects them on the regular.

- Ryan_Wilson

I know it ruins a good narrative, but Jim Rutherford is no longer the Canucks' GM.

I know it ruins a good narrative, but Jim Rutherford is no longer the Canucks' GM.
- jmatchett383

Its seems more and more he's really pulling the strings and Allvin is his puppet hahaha...but technically, yes, you are correct of course.

Our 1st, 3rd and Kappy for Henrique with some retention. Maybe throw in one of our "prospects". We get him next year too.
- madmike71

Yeah maybe! haha

But but he kept the boys together!!
- Grinder47

hahaha man let it die, its one of the worst narratives on this whole site.

The. Top. 6. Is. Not. The. Problem.

Jake-Sid-Rust are 53.79 xGF% 56.67 HDCF% and 53.98 CF%
Jake-Sid-Rakk are 56.31 xGF% 58.08 HDCF% and 52.59 CF%
Zuck-Geno-Rust are 61.80 xGF% 69.15 HDCF% and 57.17 CF%
Zuck-Geno-Rakk are 52.72 xGF% 52.03 HDCF% and 51.88 CF%

So no matter how the personnel has been distributed in the top 6 its all been pretty good to very good this season....at 5 on 5 these 6 guys have a combined 143 points in only 49 games...249 total with PP.

What this little exercise did for me today was it showed me, and verified what my eyes told me, that Rik should always be with Sid and Rust with Geno...however, its still a positive on the ice if its the other way around.

Our 1st, 3rd and Kappy for Henrique with some retention. Maybe throw in one of our "prospects". We get him next year too.
- madmike71

Firstly, that's a lot for Adam Henrique.

Secondly, is adding him enough to get by Bost9n or Carolina in round one?

Firstly, that's a lot for Adam Henrique.

Secondly, is adding him enough to get by Bost9n or Carolina in round one?
- BINGO!

Anything can happen but its unlikely.

Anyone with a brain knows Hex is a bad GM and the team is in that terrible place of not being good enough to make a run and not bad enough for a rebuild. They had the opportunities but are holding on to dear life of past glory. They should have done a rebuild a year or 2 after the 2nd cup win but here we are.

JR made some bad deals but he still won 2 back to back cups. Hex is too shy to make the moves needed and its too late anyway. For the good deals he got Malkin and Letang on, he pissed them away with Mcginn, Kap, Carter, Ruuta, and maybe even Rust.

Firstly, that's a lot for Adam Henrique.

Secondly, is adding him enough to get by Bost9n or Carolina in round one?
- BINGO!

Probably not but Im all for trying! You never know for sure. Canes are the better team and would be the major favorite, no doubt, but a healthy Pens team could give them a run for their money and possibly take them out.

Boston is playing in an alternate reality.

Funny enough some of the games vs Boston and Canes were some of the best games the Pens played so far this season, while dealing with some significant injuries. Pens were the better 5 on 5 team in a few of those games (Nov-01 vs Bruins...Nov-29 and Dec 19th vs Canes) despite the outcome.

Firstly, that's a lot for Adam Henrique.

Secondly, is adding him enough to get by Bost9n or Carolina in round one?
- BINGO!

Anyone that qualifies for the playoffs can get by Carolina in round one.

Firstly, that's a lot for Adam Henrique.

Secondly, is adding him enough to get by Bost9n or Carolina in round one?
- BINGO!

I figured asking a team to take Kap and his crap contract for next year and also asking for half retention would be expensive. Plus, Henrique is signed for next year too.

To your larger point... Jeff Carter is absolutely killing this team. Center or wing, he sucks. Are they real contenders? Probably not, but they have played some real good hockey when healthy. The top 6 has been mostly great. Off the top of my head, they'd have at least 6 more points if Jarry was healthy. DeSmith is DeStink these days.

If I were GM, I'd go all in this year and next then jump off that cliff and do a total rebuild. Hopefully some of these old guys still have trade value.

A good place for a GM to start on this team would be to dump Kap, ask Carter, Rust if they would accept trades to contenders and put Blueger, McGinn and Ruutta on the block.