I did the Tankathon simulator 10 times:

Pick #1 - 2
Pick #2 - 0
Pick #3 - 5
Pick #4 - 3

Chances are the Hawks are picking 3rd or later.
- DarthKane

Did you hit the reset button after each try?

I am more curious that if a dozen of us, go on at noon, and saved the results, if our simulations are identical.

I still think Kane is 50/50 and even if he does waive.
- SteveRain

I think Powers hit the nail on the head in his Q & A, saying if there were players on the current Hawk team that Kane clicked with, it would be a matter of a happy and productive Paddy Kane who was faced with a decision, not one who no longer has that click with the 'cat, the Breadman and any finisher we don't got now...

Watched Ottawa vs Montreal. Montreal has four rookies playing D right now. Why the Hawks aren't doing that is puzzling. Gotta get those minutes to Caleb Jones, Jack Johnson, and Connor Murphy I guess.
- ObeseOprah

Probably because they already had a lot of guys under contract and weren't all that sold on the available D-prospects to handle the NHL. I'd venture to guess (especially since there seems to be a good amount of chatter around our D-men) that you will see plenty of the younger guys down the stretch. You can't just ignore roster rules/size.

Not to mention, Matheson and Edmundson have been in and out with injuries.

Considering 19 & 88 with their NMC, I’m curious as to how KD approaches this.

Does he approach teams ( any and all of them) and gauge interest / return, then go to 19 & 88 on possible destinations?

Or do 19 / 88 TELL KD who they will / won’t waive to first then KD starts working the phone?

Would think the more teams “interested” the larger return.

The clock is ticking…..

Exhale…..

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Considering 19 & 88 with their NMC, I’m curious as to how KD approaches this.

Does he approach teams ( any and all of them) and gauge interest / return, then go to 19 & 88 on possible destinations?

Or do 19 / 88 TELL KD who they will / won’t waive to first then KD starts working the phone?

Would think the more teams “interested” the larger return.

The clock is ticking…..

Exhale…..
- mike7076

My two cents. I think it is likely that teams have been calling KD about Toews and Kane and asking about their price if they waive. Maybe counteroffers have been discussed so frameworks of deal(s) may be in place.

When the big pow wow takes place, KD can tell them teams W, X, Y and Z have showed interest. Of course 19 and 88 can say we're not waiving and that's the end of the discussion. If they waive and name some preferred destinations, say teams A, B , Y and Z, Davidson can either fall back on those earlier preliminary discussions or call teams A and B that didn't show interest before.

My two cents. I think it is likely that teams have been calling KD about Toews and Kane and asking about their price if they waive. Maybe counteroffers have been discussed so frameworks of deal(s) may be in place.

When the big pow wow takes place, KD can tell them teams W, X, Y and Z have showed interest. Of course 19 and 88 can say we're not waiving and that's the end of the discussion. If they waive and name some preferred destinations, say teams A, B , Y and Z, Davidson can either fall back on those earlier preliminary discussions or call teams A and B that didn't show interest before.
- boilermaker100

And their agent Brisson already knows what teams are interested, and if any of his players he manages is part of the offer back.

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- boilermaker100

Well, that is good...I even tried checking the other teams to see if there was messed up too. (They were )


My Deadline prediction:

Many contenders will trade parts (young under achieving NHLers and grade B level prospects before they start tossing their draft picks around the floor like they have unlimited amounts.

Sure some big gets will GET you first and seconds, but draft picks are integral to every teams Cap help, their re-sets and tweaks, and I just gotta feeling that the frivolous trading of first rounders for renatslk has got to stop soon.

Well, that is good...I even she cued the other teams to see if there was messed up too. (They were )


My Deadline prediction:

Many contenders will trade parts (young under achieving NHLers and grade B level prospects before they start tossing their draft picks around the floor like they have unlimited amounts.

Sure some big gets will GET you first and seconds, but draft picks are integral to every teams Cap help, their re-sets and tweaks, and I just gotta feeling that the frivolous trading of first rounders for renatslk has got to stop soon.
- wiz1901

Especially with this Bally’s fiasco likely used as the scapegoat by Bettman for why the cap isn’t budging. It’s almost a blessing the Hawks aren’t contending right now because cap hell would be extra brutal.

And their agent Brisson already knows what teams are interested, and if any of his players he manages is part of the offer back.
- LAHawk

My two cents. I think it is likely that teams have been calling KD about Toews and Kane and asking about their price if they waive. Maybe counteroffers have been discussed so frameworks of deal(s) may be in place.
- boilermaker100

I have to agree that the conversation between JD, other team's Gm, including Brisson as the Kane and Toews advisor already are taking place and return has started.

Most trades get legs in opening salvos and get revisited as time goes on and the situations on the interested teams evolves.

The phone call doesn't come on Feb.28th and everyone says, DEAL.

Especially since the Balckhawks want to use their cap as a 3rd party broker too.

I have always wondered in those opening conversations how much the partners commit and spend time in the early conversations and balance them with the other conversations on different players and matters.

Right now in my Fantasy Hockey league I got pissed that my neighbor simply traded Planarian to another m for two Penquins b/c he is a Pen's boy, never having any talks or offering him elsewhere...

You have to wonder where the discussion go from "talk" to a GM like JD locking on a specific return.

Awhile back, I did see the on the draft floor footage of how St. Louis traded out of their spot in the Kane draft year (so San Jose could take Logan Couture who had mono and had lousy stats) because St. Louis loved Ian Cole.
The entire conversation was on the tape, and was quite organically.

I think it is time for Larry Brooks to retire:
(the acquisition of Kane not a good idea)
https://nypost.com/2023/0...deadline-fit-for-rangers/

Tell you what...knowing how they played Breadman and Kaner played together, if the Rangers were to be eliminated, I would hate to be the GM Drury and not able to say, "I tried."

And their agent Brisson already knows what teams are interested, and if any of his players he manages is part of the offer back.
- LAHawk

I agree. KD probably has been in regular contact with Brisson covering a variety of topics? Do Toews and Kane want to stay with the Hawks through the end of the season? What would be their expectations for their next contract in terms of dollars and years? What teams would they accept a trade too? If traded would they consider returning to the Hawks next year? The situation is evolving and Toews and Kane have a few weeks to make their final decisions. To the press Toews, Kane, Brisson, and KD need to be vague and tight lipped. That is smart. In the meantime Brisson and KD are probably actively preparing for any and all possible options so that if there is a time to pull the trigger they will be ready. Toews and Kane could even hold off making an "official" decision, and at the same time tell Brisson and KD off the record to see what trade options are available. Then KD can bring Brisson trade options as they come up. I am sure no one (Toews, Kane, Brisson, KD) want to pass up a sweet deal. Unofficially KD can even tell Brisson that he can contact teams about the parameters of the next contract for Toews and Kane if they were to agree to lift their NMC. I am sure there is plenty of "unofficial" or "off the record" and "3rd party" discussions going on inside and outside the Hawks organization.

I agree. KD probably has been in regular contact with Brisson covering a variety of topics? Do Toews and Kane want to stay with the Hawks through the end of the season? What would be their expectations for their next contract in terms of dollars and years? What teams would they accept a trade too? If traded would they consider returning to the Hawks next year? The situation is evolving and Toews and Kane have a few weeks to make their final decisions. To the press Toews, Kane, Brisson, and KD need to be vague and tight lipped. That is smart. In the meantime Brisson and KD are probably actively preparing for any and all possible options so that if there is a time to pull the trigger they will be ready. Toews and Kane could even hold off making an "official" decision, and at the same time tell Brisson and KD off the record to see what trade options are available. Then KD can bring Brisson trade options as they come up. I am sure no one (Toews, Kane, Brisson, KD) want to pass up a sweet deal. Unofficially KD can even tell Brisson that he can contact teams about the parameters of the next contract for Toews and Kane if they were to agree to lift their NMC. I am sure there is plenty of "unofficial" or "off the record" and "3rd party" discussions going on inside and outside the Hawks organization.
- -Doh-

That's a great post. Looks like you covered all the bases.

That's too bad.

I hope his corpse gets repeatedly sodomized by black people and Jews while a woman punches him in the face
- Gertner

You do know corpses don’t feel anything right? Oh, wait I get it 55 years of pent up anger knowing more disappointment is on the way.

I still think Kane wants to be reunited with Panarin. Panarin is signed for 3 more years after this year. I could see Kane agreeing to a deal with the Rangers if they give him a decent contract for 3 more years with an NMC.

If that does not happen I can see 2 other scenarios.
1) Kane stays with the Hawks this year and then sees where Debrincat is traded at the deadline or signs this summer. No way Ottawa makes Debrincat that huge qualifying offer. So he will be moving on.
2) Kane has some kind of minor surgery near the TDL that cleans up his minor/chronic injury. He is not completely ready to play until mid-season next year. He sees who the Hawks draft and what their roster looks like next year. He also sees how other teams are shaping up next year. Then he signs in November or December with the team of his choice, possibly, but not likely, the Hawks.

I agree. KD probably has been in regular contact with Brisson covering a variety of topics? Do Toews and Kane want to stay with the Hawks through the end of the season? What would be their expectations for their next contract in terms of dollars and years? What teams would they accept a trade too? If traded would they consider returning to the Hawks next year? The situation is evolving and Toews and Kane have a few weeks to make their final decisions. To the press Toews, Kane, Brisson, and KD need to be vague and tight lipped. That is smart. In the meantime Brisson and KD are probably actively preparing for any and all possible options so that if there is a time to pull the trigger they will be ready. Toews and Kane could even hold off making an "official" decision, and at the same time tell Brisson and KD off the record to see what trade options are available. Then KD can bring Brisson trade options as they come up. I am sure no one (Toews, Kane, Brisson, KD) want to pass up a sweet deal. Unofficially KD can even tell Brisson that he can contact teams about the parameters of the next contract for Toews and Kane if they were to agree to lift their NMC. I am sure there is plenty of "unofficial" or "off the record" and "3rd party" discussions going on inside and outside the Hawks organization.
- -Doh-

I would agree and I think KD has had numerous talks with multiple clubs on multiple players. Biggest thing for him to navigate is asset management so he doesn't have a guy go down and miss an opportunity to sell. Hoping that Horvat trade starts to push some teams in that WC bubble in the east. have to figure same sense of urgency will happen in the west after the break.

I would agree and I think KD has had numerous talks with multiple clubs on multiple players. Biggest thing for him to navigate is asset management so he doesn't have a guy go down and miss an opportunity to sell. Hoping that Horvat trade starts to push some teams in that WC bubble in the east. have to figure same sense of urgency will happen in the west after the break.
- SteveRain

Pittsburgh and Washington are two of those bubble teams that likely are looking. Hextall/Burke might like a McCabe if we can make the cap work.
Washington is falling apart at the seams but can’t tear it down til Ovi passes Gretzky, they’ll need some grinders if they make the playoffs. We all know how tenacious Strome and Gustafsson are on 50/50 pucks :/

I am gonna predict that the Blackhawks are Scott Wheelers #8 tomorrow on the Athletic.

And how to you rank Frankie Nazar as a prospect after they won't even tell us anything about the injury....

All we know is he arrived their at college he was already injured.

So, was his injury there at the draft, and teams maybe backed off choosing him? maybe a lucky break for hawks?

Pittsburgh and Washington are two of those bubble teams that likely are looking. Hextall/Burke might like a McCabe if we can make the cap work.
Washington is falling apart at the seams but can’t tear it down til Ovi passes Gretzky, they’ll need some grinders if they make the playoffs. We all know how tenacious Strome and Gustafsson are on 50/50 pucks :/
- ObeseOprah

I am not sure how much Cap space Thay have to play with, but I know if I was the GM in Washington, I would be looking at acquiring Kane for more scoring.

I have never been able to even attempt to get a pulse on the Penquins' plans, but if you were Kane, would you like to defy odds with Craosby as your centre?

I see Mccabe and even Murphy as valuable tarde chips that teams are interested in, but the price may be the deal breaker.

Pittsburgh and Washington are two of those bubble teams that likely are looking. Hextall/Burke might like a McCabe if we can make the cap work.
Washington is falling apart at the seams but can’t tear it down til Ovi passes Gretzky, they’ll need some grinders if they make the playoffs. We all know how tenacious Strome and Gustafsson are on 50/50 pucks :/
- ObeseOprah

I visit the Capfriendly arm chair GM board sometimes. One Capitals fans proposed trading Gus for a 1st round pick. Of course some of us here had the same aspiration a few years ago.

I am gonna predict that the Blackhawks are Scott Wheelers #8 tomorrow on the Athletic.

And how to you rank Frankie Nazar as a prospect after they won't even tell us anything about the injury....
- wiz1901

Wiz,

Your buddy Tab Bamford recently posted his take on Hawks top 20 prospects.

https://www.bleachernatio...top-20-prospect-rankings/

Edit - And an update on Nazar. Nothing really new.

https://247sports.com/col...college-hockey-203994207/

Wiz,

Your buddy Tab Bamford recently posted his take on Hawks top 20 prospects.

https://www.bleachernatio...top-20-prospect-rankings/
- boilermaker100

This fellow was one of the first rising as a contender Chicago Blackhawk experts who started filling the internet with their knowledge.

I won't forget when right after the draft he tagged defense prospect as Dylan Olsen was the next Seabrook and the Hawks maybe 5th best prospect. (cough)

But, I was taking a no junior hockey watching day and am going to the beach in a bit,I will go read his expertise now.

https://247sports.com/col...college-hockey-203994207/
- boilermaker100

Pastime goes on, I am turning into a bigger elitist hockey snob...I got angry with power's telling "everyone" where Wyatt Kaiser ends up in the Hawk defenseman prospect carousel...hiw the FRANK does anyone know that before he every played with pro players????

If Kane didn’t have Bowman PTSD of every ‘kid to shepherd along’ being traded away I’d believe it. Teuvo, Danault, Jokiharju, Debrincat, Boqvist, Dach all part of the next wave. All traded away.

I have no inklings that Davidson will do that. But I’m also not rushing out to grab a Reichel or Korchinski jersey after the last decade of this franchise.
- ObeseOprah

What did SB have to do with trading DeBrincat? Joki and Boqvist suck.

What did SB have to do with trading DeBrincat? Joki and Boqvist suck.
- rpeters01

He drafted him.......

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- boilermaker100

Nice

My two cents. I think it is likely that teams have been calling KD about Toews and Kane and asking about their price if they waive. Maybe counteroffers have been discussed so frameworks of deal(s) may be in place.

When the big pow wow takes place, KD can tell them teams W, X, Y and Z have showed interest. Of course 19 and 88 can say we're not waiving and that's the end of the discussion. If they waive and name some preferred destinations, say teams A, B , Y and Z, Davidson can either fall back on those earlier preliminary discussions or call teams A and B that didn't show interest before.
- boilermaker100

Story problems and algebra rolled into one post. Impressive.