Horvat to Isles for Beauvillier, Raty and a 2023 1st
- ikeane

https://twitter.com/JFres...c_ZNmlmo2i9CHk87SkQw&s=01

He loves this deal

Hahaha

https://twitter.com/JFreshHockey/status/1620199517923741697?t=Roc_ZNmlmo2i9CHk87SkQw&s=01

He loves this deal

Hahaha
- BetweenTheDots

Well he loved the Hawks signing Mc Cabe also. Lou is not afraid to swing for the fences, especially at the TDL.

Horvat to Isles for Beauvillier, Raty and a 2023 1st
- ikeane

This is the closest I may get to having Raty on my team.

The Rangers will be motivated to get Kane now, they’ll now offer the conditional 7th round pick that KD has been holding out for.

Bobby Hull was not a flawless person for sure and I hope he regretted his past actions, but he deserved better than this Woke Hawks organization has treated him.

Well he loved the Hawks signing Mc Cabe also. Lou is not afraid to swing for the fences, especially at the TDL.
- LAHawk

Some doubt if NYI are good enough to get to the Cup final. Match ups along the way could include Tampa and Boston..upstart Buffalo. But Horvat dies give them a better opportunity to win..Even if he signs elsewhere after the season. Reportedly wants an 8 × 8 contract

Although NYI critique is for lack of goal scoring, with their goaltending and this trade I doubt they will be a bottom 12 team

Barzal and Horvat could become difference makers, but where is their top centers? Fairly deep quality roster but missing star centers. The team defense was better when Trotz was the coach. The blueline crew was better back then.

The playoffs is a grind, a second season and a marathon. Four good lines, depth matters. But goaltending can bail them out too when necessary.

I don't know why Pullock - with hus great shot - had hatvtticlnonce vs us - doesn't score more.

And do NYI have BOTH enoigh toughness and puck movers on defense?

Some doubt if NYI are good enough to get to the Cup final. Match ups along the way could include Tampa and Boston..upstart Buffalo. But Horvat dies give them a better opportunity to win..Even if he signs elsewhere after the season. Reportedly wants an 8 × 8 contract

Although NYI critique is for lack of goal scoring, with their goaltending and this trade I doubt they will be a bottom 12 team

Barzal and Horvat could become difference makers, but where is their top centers? Fairly deep quality roster but missing star centers. The team defense was better when Trotz was the coach. The blueline crew was better back then.

The playoffs is a grind, a second season and a marathon. Four good lines, depth matters. But goaltending can bail them out too when necessary.

I don't know why Pullock - with hus great shot - had hatvtticlnonce vs us - doesn't score more.

And do NYI have BOTH enoigh toughness and puck movers on defense?
- jhawk59

From Lou's perspective, he has until the TDL to flip Horvat if he ultimately decides that the Isles aren't going anywhere. And acquiring Horvat now gives them a head start on earning a playoff spot. The other part of the deal is that Lou was able to shed $4.1 mill in cap space for next season, and that is an otherwise difficult contract to move.

In other words, it's not solely about judging the trade on its merits. He will have an exit ramp of sorts near the deadline if he so chooses.

Some doubt if NYI are good enough to get to the Cup final. Match ups along the way could include Tampa and Boston..upstart Buffalo. But Horvat dies give them a better opportunity to win..Even if he signs elsewhere after the season. Reportedly wants an 8 × 8 contract

Although NYI critique is for lack of goal scoring, with their goaltending and this trade I doubt they will be a bottom 12 team

Barzal and Horvat could become difference makers, but where is their top centers? Fairly deep quality roster but missing star centers. The team defense was better when Trotz was the coach. The blueline crew was better back then.

The playoffs is a grind, a second season and a marathon. Four good lines, depth matters. But goaltending can bail them out too when necessary.

I don't know why Pullock - with hus great shot - had hatvtticlnonce vs us - doesn't score more.

And do NYI have BOTH enoigh toughness and puck movers on defense?
- jhawk59

I would go to war with the islanders centers

Barzal
Horvat
B. Nelson
Pageau
Cizekas

I would go to war with the islanders centers

Barzal
Horvat
B. Nelson
Pageau
Cizekas
- LAHawk

Agreed. Barzal is incredible. Horvat is a Bergeron lite. Nelson and Pageau are pains in the butt. They’ve lacked a difference maker on offense aside from Barzal, Horvat gets them that.

I would go to war with the islanders centers

Barzal
Horvat
B. Nelson
Pageau
Cizekas
- LAHawk

So Nelson a center too....yes....go to war with them with Horvat addition.

R.I.P. Mr Hull . Losing all the Greats

From Lou's perspective, he has until the TDL to flip Horvat if he ultimately decides that the Isles aren't going anywhere. And acquiring Horvat now gives them a head start on earning a playoff spot. The other part of the deal is that Lou was able to shed $4.1 mill in cap space for next season, and that is an otherwise difficult contract to move.

In other words, it's not solely about judging the trade on its merits. He will have an exit ramp of sorts near the deadline if he so chooses.
- 333inthe3rd

I think the Islanders will re-sign Horvat, and likely soon. He’s young enough that he’ll have a few more solid years.

I like this trade from the Canucks perspective. Beauvillier was a throw-in because of the salary cap, Raty will be a solid NHLer (I would have traded Kane for Raty 1:1). The Islanders 1st round pick is likely the best pick the Canucks could have received. Even with Horvat the pick will probably be in the teens, with any other team (ie Boston, Carolina, New Jersey, Toronto) the pick would have likely been in the high-20s or low 30s.

RIP Golden Jet, Bobby Hull.

You haven't heard the latest?- the Leafs are definitely acquiring Toews, Kane, Chykrun, O'Reilly, Tarasenko and the best goaltender available. Bettman is waiving the salary cap for them only.

You need to stay current with Maple Leaf news man.
- RickJ

God I can't wait for them to bow out again vs Tampa in round 1 and Pierre LeBrun and all the other conductors onboard the Leaf hype express have to eat crow. new favorite spring past time since the Hawks aren't playing meaningful games. If I can make it my entire life without seeing them win.....life is good.

I agree with you on 19. I can also see him signing 1-2 year deals after this year with contenders to kill penalties and play 3rd line minutes and be a shutdown center. Can't blame him for that. Will add some nice depth scoring for said contender as well.

You know....I can handle the the media trying to figure out how to talk about Hull's legacy between what a dominant on ice player he was vs off ice. Where it grows tiresome is when a weasal like Lazerus has to rope in the Beach controversy 2 different times in the same article. How are those 2 remotely tied in to one another?

The axe this little man has to grind is remarkable to me. yes, it was good for him when the time was right to call out the organization for the Beach incident. Does the organization EVER get to move on?

i would hate to grow up in Mark's house. Make one mistake and he'll remind you of it forever. Hope the Hawks find a way to limit this guy's access to the team and players. Getting very old.

You know....I can handle the the media trying to figure out how to talk about Hull's legacy between what a dominant on ice player he was vs off ice. Where it grows tiresome is when a weasal like Lazerus has to rope in the Beach controversy 2 different times in the same article. How are those 2 remotely tied in to one another?

The axe this little man has to grind is remarkable to me. yes, it was good for him when the time was right to call out the organization for the Beach incident. Does the organization EVER get to move on?

i would hate to grow up in Mark's house. Make one mistake and he'll remind you of it forever. Hope the Hawks find a way to limit this guy's access to the team and players. Getting very old.
- SteveRain

He is not a real reporter. He needs to thank God there is such thing as an internet so lazy people can read his garbage.

He loves to bad mouth the organization, but why doesn't he write some things about how the organization tried to help Bob Probert beat his demons.

He is not a real reporter. He needs to thank God there is such thing as an internet so lazy people can read his garbage.

He loves to bad mouth the organization, but why doesn't he write some things about how the organization tried to help Bob Probert beat his demons.
- powerenforcer

Well that would against his BS narrative and not get him all this acclaim and awards he can stroke himself to nightly.

Well that would against his BS narrative and not get him all this acclaim and awards he can stroke himself to nightly.
- SteveRain

Unfortunately all media use their narrative which causes divisions, be it sports or politics. Like PE says if there was a balanced approach most of us can see the point being made. Like the Beach issue, yes there were mistakes and/or oversights but there was also a correction, which is or isn’t ignored depending on the narrative of the moment.

You know....I can handle the the media trying to figure out how to talk about Hull's legacy between what a dominant on ice player he was vs off ice. Where it grows tiresome is when a weasal like Lazerus has to rope in the Beach controversy 2 different times in the same article. How are those 2 remotely tied in to one another?

The axe this little man has to grind is remarkable to me. yes, it was good for him when the time was right to call out the organization for the Beach incident. Does the organization EVER get to move on?

i would hate to grow up in Mark's house. Make one mistake and he'll remind you of it forever. Hope the Hawks find a way to limit this guy's access to the team and players. Getting very old.
- SteveRain

Abuse is abuse. And it fits the pattern of the Blackhawks and how they handle abusers which was to keep one around to not interfere with a Stanley Cup run and have another one represent the brand in a very visible way.

How the organization handles this is kind of important to see if they've actually changed the way they are going to operate as it relates to abuse and abusers.

Unfortunately all media use their narrative which causes divisions, be it sports or politics. Like PE says if there was a balanced approach most of us can see the point being made. Like the Beach issue, yes there were mistakes and/or oversights but there was also a correction, which is or isn’t ignored depending on the narrative of the moment.
- paulr

How they celebrate or don't celebrate the player would be a good barometer of if they've actually made a correction or not.

Abuse is abuse. And it fits the pattern of the Blackhawks and how they handle abusers which was to keep one around to not interfere with a Stanley Cup run and have another one represent the brand in a very visible way.

How the organization handles this is kind of important to see if they've actually changed the way they are going to operate as it relates to abuse and abusers.
- fattybeef

Bobby Hull's personal life has no reflection on the Organization. If he abused a woman who worked for the club, then you can see how the organization handles it. But personal life is different. At least that is my opinion.

I think the Islanders will re-sign Horvat, and likely soon. He’s young enough that he’ll have a few more solid years.

I like this trade from the Canucks perspective. Beauvillier was a throw-in because of the salary cap, Raty will be a solid NHLer (I would have traded Kane for Raty 1:1). The Islanders 1st round pick is likely the best pick the Canucks could have received. Even with Horvat the pick will probably be in the teens, with any other team (ie Boston, Carolina, New Jersey, Toronto) the pick would have likely been in the high-20s or low 30s.
- DarthKane

I guess I was under the impression that it wasn't a sure thing that Horvat would sign there, and that he could test the market this summer. Trading Beauvillier certainly makes it easier to sign Horvat.

Unfortunately all media use their narrative which causes divisions, be it sports or politics. Like PE says if there was a balanced approach most of us can see the point being made. Like the Beach issue, yes there were mistakes and/or oversights but there was also a correction, which is or isn’t ignored depending on the narrative of the moment.
- paulr

Yes and what you say above is exactly why my wife and I both stopped watching ANY news. Depending upon how you view the world you can tune in and find a station that will spin anything favorably in your way OR bash the opposition.

The lost art of just reporting the news and trusting the viewer to be educated enough to form his/her own opinion is long gone. I need a true news man......Cue the Ron Burgandy GIF.....

How they celebrate or don't celebrate the player would be a good barometer of if they've actually made a correction or not.
- fattybeef

There was zero punishment when Kobe Bryant raped a woman. Not from the league, the team, or the fandom. All it cost him was a huge diamond ring to his wife.

What Hull did was abhorrent, the Beach incident is abhorrent. How did the league, NHL teams handle the incidences below? Appears that the Hawks are not the only team that fails the barometer test.

https://www.reddit.com/r/...ey_from_19742014_trigger/

Bobby Hull's personal life has no reflection on the Organization. If he abused a woman who worked for the club, then you can see how the organization handles it. But personal life is different. At least that is my opinion.
- powerenforcer

Promoting someone who beat the hell out of his wife and has been a fairly well documented racist (confirmed by his daughter) as a face of the franchise is absolutely a reflection on the Organization.

There was zero punishment when Kobe Bryant raped a woman. Not from the league, the team, or the fandom. All it cost him was a huge diamond ring to his wife.

What Hull did was abhorrent, the Beach incident is abhorrent. How did the league, NHL teams handle the incidences below? Appears that the Hawks are not the only team that fails the barometer test.

https://www.reddit.com/r/...ey_from_19742014_trigger/
- LAHawk

It's not about being the only team or lumped in a bunch of others. The status quo has nothing to do with right and wrong.

Change needs to start somewhere and the organization has an opportunity to show that they've changed and are wiling to stand with victims rather than abusers and be a positive force for change.