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Aaron_85
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 04.22.2014

Jan 29 @ 11:09 PM ET
How is it cheating?
- MJL


Well if you get a first down call but the foot wasn't in and you do a hurry up play so noone can review it because you think it wasn't a catch but the refs called it a catch, how is that not cheating? You didn't actually make the play but got the favourable result.
Aaron_85
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 04.22.2014

Jan 29 @ 11:13 PM ET
But if a team wants the same guys on d with out substitutions they run a hurry up….it’s part of the game. I get where you are going, but every play can’t be a slow mo replay….
- landros 2


I understand this. I certainly do. I am by no means saying there is a solution and I'm not saying they would or have to change anything. Maybe it currently doesn't make sense. I am suggesting I wouldn't be against the league reviewing current video review procedures. I also wouldn't get all up in arms if nothing changes because sometimes it doesn't make sense.

I will say one thing, someone brought up tennis being almost completely done by video review so why can't other leagues adopt similar things for certain calls? Why can't we electronically mark where the ball was? Or in hockey, have sensors along the blue lines with other sensors in skates/puck to determine offsides or even goals for the puck over the line or not. Sometimes they are close.

Again, maybe it's not good enough technology yet to do such things but I wouldn't be opposed to similar suggestions or changes.
wheelerdealer
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: sydney, NS
Joined: 01.25.2017

Jan 29 @ 11:21 PM ET
Bill whats going with Ratcliffe
SMS4016
Joined: 01.27.2011

Jan 30 @ 12:08 AM ET
the (frank) you talking about they were all legit penalties
- 2Real

Roughing punter? He was pushed in
Pi on ward? Joke
4th and 3?
Hand to face on dl while he’s clearly being held but no holding call?
Woke nfl rigged. They got the qb matchup they wanted. From a marketing point.
SMS4016
Joined: 01.27.2011

Jan 30 @ 12:14 AM ET
They crushed NFL best defense
- THE EVIL WITHIN

That bum hurts 120 yards pushing. 260 total yards. Yeah they crushed the best d. Laughable. The league showed how rigged they are. Expedited replay. Yes sf should’ve thrown challenge flag but that’s what expedited replay is for. Ny took all day to try to get video of ball hitting wire but on 4th and 3 they out to lunch. K. As soon as eagles hurried up field league should’ve called it in. That bum hurts less than 100 yards passing without that incomplete pass.
Bendecko
Location: Cave Putorium
Joined: 02.29.2020

Jan 30 @ 12:15 AM ET
I’m not angry but I hate seeing the refs influencing the game and bad luck. Really I could care less about who wins this game . I think cincy crushes whoever gets to the superbowl 👏
- Keyser soze

How's are the Bengals going to do that when they're season is over?
Bendecko
Location: Cave Putorium
Joined: 02.29.2020

Jan 30 @ 12:15 AM ET
Of course they are. Man the bad part about making the super bowl is for 2 weeks these stories is going to run in the media about eagle fans. It shouldn't be. Focus should be on how good the team is.
- Aaron_85

Well, somebody brought up a fan eating horse patties (I wonder who that was?), so there's a demand to know and obviously the press knows how sell the goods
Bendecko
Location: Cave Putorium
Joined: 02.29.2020

Jan 30 @ 12:16 AM ET
Well if you get a first down call but the foot wasn't in and you do a hurry up play so noone can review it because you think it wasn't a catch but the refs called it a catch, how is that not cheating? You didn't actually make the play but got the favourable result.
- Aaron_85

It's not cheating though. Sauce for the goose. Both teams have staffs in the booth to always watch for potential challenges and the onus here is on the 9ers staff to catch it fast enough to have the coach throw the challenge flag before another play is made. It would be the same had it been the Eagles too slow to call a challenge.
SMS4016
Joined: 01.27.2011

Jan 30 @ 12:22 AM ET
It's not cheating though. Sauce for the goose. Both teams have staffs in the booth to always watch for potential challenges and the onus here is on the 9ers staff to catch it fast enough to have the coach throw the challenge flag before another play is made. It would be the same had it been the Eagles too slow to call a challenge.
- Bendecko

Fake news.
Eagles had to rush up field 30 plus yards
Call play
Lineup
Run play

Nfl has expedited replay in league office they see every angle as it’s happening. They knew it was incomplete. It was clear live if you were paying attention that ball was either on ground OR appeared like it might be. It literally took eagles a good 20 live seconds or more to run next play.

How many times you see league call down in that scenario when team running up field on a 4th down play. In championship game expedited replay certainly happens….


Unless you want to market 2 specific qb’s in woke league.

Funny how took 2 or more whole minutes to try to see if hall hits a wire tho. K possible
SMS4016
Joined: 01.27.2011

Jan 30 @ 12:26 AM ET
Oh 3rd and 9 incomplete pass. Oh play didn’t happen ok. Cant give cincy ball. We need 2 specific qb’s in sb. The cheating was in full effect Sunday. Personally I’d like to see kc stomp philly because keagles are trash. But I’d also like philly to win because it would further push poopty flyers out of city picture and it’s exactly what flyers deserve

Win win I guess
SMS4016
Joined: 01.27.2011

Jan 30 @ 12:37 AM ET
It's not cheating though. Sauce for the goose. Both teams have staffs in the booth to always watch for potential challenges and the onus here is on the 9ers staff to catch it fast enough to have the coach throw the challenge flag before another play is made. It would be the same had it been the Eagles too slow to call a challenge.
- Bendecko


The onus is on the league. They have expedited review.

It’s supposed to take those situations out of coaches hands

The coaches challenge however is a tool for when league cheats (I mean) misses that clear situation.

I will agree sf should have just thrown flag as soon as smith was hurrying and eagles tried to go fast. It’s just a timeout early and on 4th down play. But the blame is probably 80/20 on league. They absolutely knew and had more than adequate time to use expedited replay on that.

Look how fast they call down when they think player hit head.

The league is a joke.

Again league office has all the camera views being monitored every play. Nfc championship game. Surely they happen to not see view of ball clearly on ground. Maybe they were late to their monitors? Or maybe just maybe they wanted hurts/mahomes sb so woke nfl can pander to shall I say a certain group of people. The point is league is woke like Disney and many big $ corp. in sports let the players advocate. League can piss off.
Aaron_85
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 04.22.2014

Jan 30 @ 1:11 AM ET
It's not cheating though. Sauce for the goose. Both teams have staffs in the booth to always watch for potential challenges and the onus here is on the 9ers staff to catch it fast enough to have the coach throw the challenge flag before another play is made. It would be the same had it been the Eagles too slow to call a challenge.
- Bendecko


Uhh if someone doesn't catch the ball and the team hurries up then its cheating as they didn't get the 1st down legally.

But we can agree to disagree.
Aaron_85
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 04.22.2014

Jan 30 @ 1:11 AM ET
Well, somebody brought up a fan eating horse patties (I wonder who that was?), so there's a demand to know and obviously the press knows how sell the goods
- Bendecko



If noone ate horse poop it wouldn't be a story. Same as the lamp post climbing.
Aaron_85
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 04.22.2014

Jan 30 @ 1:13 AM ET
Fake news.
Eagles had to rush up field 30 plus yards
Call play
Lineup
Run play

Nfl has expedited replay in league office they see every angle as it’s happening. They knew it was incomplete. It was clear live if you were paying attention that ball was either on ground OR appeared like it might be. It literally took eagles a good 20 live seconds or more to run next play.

How many times you see league call down in that scenario when team running up field on a 4th down play. In championship game expedited replay certainly happens….


Unless you want to market 2 specific qb’s in woke league.

Funny how took 2 or more whole minutes to try to see if hall hits a wire tho. K possible

- SMS4016


I dont understand how they want mahomes instead of Burrow? If the league wanted specific qbs I dont know Burrow wouldn't be classified as a top guy to see in a bowl. Back to back would a storyline.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jan 30 @ 7:28 AM ET
Well the leagues have shown this isn't actually true. Why have video review at all if missed plays "are what sports are made of". That's my point. Leagues can't have it both ways.
- Aaron_85


It is true because every missed call is not reviewable. It's that way for a reason. Yes, you can have it both ways. Missed holding calls, missed pass interference calls, etc. That has all been happening and will continue to happen. Do you want everything reviewable? How long would a game take?
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jan 30 @ 7:30 AM ET
Well if you get a first down call but the foot wasn't in and you do a hurry up play so noone can review it because you think it wasn't a catch but the refs called it a catch, how is that not cheating? You didn't actually make the play but got the favourable result.
- Aaron_85


Don't you have to intentionally break a rule to cheat? Did the player step out on purpose intentionally? The mistake is made by the official, not the player. The player had nothing to do with getting the favorable result. Not sure how you can consider that cheating.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jan 30 @ 7:34 AM ET
Fake news.
Eagles had to rush up field 30 plus yards
Call play
Lineup
Run play

Nfl has expedited replay in league office they see every angle as it’s happening. They knew it was incomplete. It was clear live if you were paying attention that ball was either on ground OR appeared like it might be. It literally took eagles a good 20 live seconds or more to run next play.

How many times you see league call down in that scenario when team running up field on a 4th down play. In championship game expedited replay certainly happens….


Unless you want to market 2 specific qb’s in woke league.

Funny how took 2 or more whole minutes to try to see if hall hits a wire tho. K possible

- SMS4016


This conspiracy theory is nonsense. It helps to know the rules. A review of a completed pass is not a play that is automatically reviewed by the league or the league replay booth. If the opposition wants the play reviewed, they have to throw the challenge flag.
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Jan 30 @ 7:36 AM ET
What did your favorite stat say about his game last night?
-MJL

Metric wise Risto was poor, but watching the game he was very good defensively IMO, and the 2 assists were both really nice plays. The Flyers gave up almost 40 shots and many scoring chances last night, especially in 1st and 3rd periods, so there were not too many Flyers with good underlining metrics. Torts also said after the game he really liked Risto's defense last night.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jan 30 @ 7:39 AM ET
Oh 3rd and 9 incomplete pass. Oh play didn’t happen ok. Cant give cincy ball. We need 2 specific qb’s in sb. The cheating was in full effect Sunday. Personally I’d like to see kc stomp philly because keagles are trash. But I’d also like philly to win because it would further push poopty flyers out of city picture and it’s exactly what flyers deserve

Win win I guess

- SMS4016



That's correct, the play didn't happen because of a clock issue. The corner ref blew the play dead before it started. Due to the crowd noise, the head official did not hear it. That is completely legit and has nothing to do with any absurd conspiracy.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jan 30 @ 7:40 AM ET
Metric wise Risto was poor, but watching the game he was very good defensively IMO, and the 2 assists were both really nice plays. The Flyers gave up almost 40 shots and many scoring chances last night, especially in 1st and 3rd periods, so there were not too many Flyers with good underlining metrics. Torts also said after the game he really liked Risto's defense last night.
- jd250


No he wasn't, he had numerous blow coverage after blown coverage. Consistently lost position around the net. Tortorella is blind.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jan 30 @ 7:41 AM ET
Uhh if someone doesn't catch the ball and the team hurries up then its cheating as they didn't get the 1st down legally.

But we can agree to disagree.

- Aaron_85


No it's not. The Eagles did not break any rules.
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Jan 30 @ 7:42 AM ET
Tippet has started to blossom….Frost continues to build on his first full season. JVR gets moved.
🦅🦅🦅E-A-G-L-E-S…..EAGLES….FLY EAGLES FLY. 🎶🎶on the road to victory🎶🎶

I’m excited to see a bunch of the young guys in the last 30 games or so…guys like Cates and Allison really have me intrigued going forward

- landros 2

With the 14th pick in this year's draft, the Philadelphia Flyers select Riley Heidt, forward, Price George Cougars. 180lbs, versatile forward, might be ready for a bottom 6 role with the Flyers in about 4 years.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jan 30 @ 7:43 AM ET
The onus is on the league. They have expedited review.

It’s supposed to take those situations out of coaches hands


- SMS4016



This is false.
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Jan 30 @ 7:43 AM ET
No he wasn't, he had numerous blow coverage after blown coverage. Consistently lost position around the net. Tortorella is blind.
- MJL

I think Torts and I must be both blind then ...
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jan 30 @ 7:46 AM ET
I think Torts and I must be both blind then ...
- jd250


Well, you think that Ristolainen is the Flyers best defenseman. So there's that. McAvoy is not one of the best defenseman in the league. There is a track record of evidence.
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