Lucius is 19 years old dominating the WHL, much like another couple of former Jets prospects did when they were 19. Nik Petan and Mateo Genero come to mind. I don’t see him as being a high prized future asset.
- TheUltimateJet

Or Draisaitl.....or Scheifele

Or Draisaitl.....or Scheifele
- bennythehat

Draisatl could not be sent down to the AHL because of the CHL agreement. Furthermore he had 9 points in 37 games as a 19 year old in the NHL. I also did not realize that the Jets had selected him in the draft.

Scheifele played in the OHL only due to the fact he could not be sent down to the AHL because of the CHL agreement. Scheiefle also had 7 NHL games as an 18 year old. He already had an NHL goal before going back to the OHL. The OHL is a different league the WHL too.

Lucius has been specifically sent to the WHL because he was not doing anything in the AHL. He came from the USND program. Very different case than both players that were mentioned. From the outside it looks like management is trying to stop his regression. I also looked him up compared to his teammates. He's the 4th oldest player on the Portland Winterhawks.

I can't believe someone just named/listed Logan Stanley as an 'asset".

Chychrun on this team would be huge but doubt Chevy has the moxie to pull off a deal like that.
If I were the Jets I'd be trying to add a guy like Edmundson on the back end to solidify that top 6. If Morrissey ever went down, that back end isn't so strong. Your top 6 is really strong- picking up a Domi for 3rd line C that could move up in case of injury would go a long way. Just don't see Chevy adding a top guy like Meier. Jets could be scary with a tweak or two

Draisatl could not be sent down to the AHL because of the CHL agreement. Furthermore he had 9 points in 37 games as a 19 year old in the NHL. I also did not realize that the Jets had selected him in the draft.

Scheifele played in the OHL only due to the fact he could not be sent down to the AHL because of the CHL agreement. Scheiefle also had 7 NHL games as an 18 year old. He already had an NHL goal before going back to the OHL. The OHL is a different league the WHL too.

Lucius has been specifically sent to the WHL because he was not doing anything in the AHL. He came from the USND program. Very different case than both players that were mentioned. From the outside it looks like management is trying to stop his regression. I also looked him up compared to his teammates. He's the 4th oldest player on the Portland Winterhawks.
- TheUltimateJet

Regardless of how they got to the WHL or OHL, they were 19 year olds tearing up the league(s). If you are going to toss around the names of Petan and Gennaro, then I can toss in Scheif and Leon D. I never suggested that Leon was a Jet pick.

Lucius has some past injury issues and likely was not ready for the Moose. This is good for his confidence and development. He looked good in the WJC. He is a high end prospect, as is McGroarty. Lambert does concern me, but time will tell.

Regardless of how they got to the WHL or OHL, they were 19 year olds tearing up the league(s). If you are going to toss around the names of Petan and Gennaro, then I can toss in Scheif and Leon D. I never suggested that Leon was a Jet pick.

Lucius has some past injury issues and likely was not ready for the Moose. This is good for his confidence and development. He looked good in the WJC. He is a high end prospect, as is McGroarty. Lambert does concern me, but time will tell.
- bennythehat

Petan dominated the WJC as well. I believe he had more points than McDavid when they were on the same team. Petan when he was 19 had 15g and 74a for 89 points in 54 games for the same Portland Winterhawks as Lucius.

Petan and Gennero are great comparisons as they also played in the WHL. The same league that Lucius is tearing it up right now. Also if he is not ready for the Moose now, then he is definitely not ready for the Jets.

To put things into context: Roslovic was 19 playing for the Moose and dominating.

Just saying….

sadly our of all the out of town scouts in town last night to watch the game, San Jose was not there!!

Arizona had 2 people there. To me this is telling, they were not there to watch St.Louis. If Chevy is working a Chychrun trade I at least hope we get Crouse added in and Pionk is on the way out.

sadly our of all the out of town scouts in town last night to watch the game, San Jose was not there!!

Arizona had 2 people there. To me this is telling, they were not there to watch St.Louis. If Chevy is working a Chychrun trade I at least hope we get Crouse added in and Pionk is on the way out.
- Ross77

Yes, would be quite happy if that's the way we go (although I would love Konecny) as I think we need an upgrade on the blue-line, and help up front with scoring/grit. Chychrun and Crouse would fill those bills.

Maybe something like an offer of Pionk, Heinola, Lambert, Stanley (three former 1st rd'ers), and Barron (or a 2024 2nd)? Maybe get Arizona to throw in a later pick as well?

I believe Chychrun has 2 years left on contract and Crouse 4 years (although a little high $$$). But at least not just one-year rentals.

Petan dominated the WJC as well. I believe he had more points than McDavid when they were on the same team. Petan when he was 19 had 15g and 74a for 89 points in 54 games for the same Portland Winterhawks as Lucius.

Petan and Gennero are great comparisons as they also played in the WHL. The same league that Lucius is tearing it up right now. Also if he is not ready for the Moose now, then he is definitely not ready for the Jets.

To put things into context: Roslovic was 19 playing for the Moose and dominating.

Just saying….
- TheUltimateJet

Gennaro was a 7th round pick, so I am not sure anyone expected anything from him at the pro level.
As mentioned before, Lucius has had some past injury issues, so I like that he is doing well. No doubt, playing on a good team has something to do with it.
Let's agree to disagree.....

Regardless of how they got to the WHL or OHL, they were 19 year olds tearing up the league(s). If you are going to toss around the names of Petan and Gennaro, then I can toss in Scheif and Leon D. I never suggested that Leon was a Jet pick.

Lucius has some past injury issues and likely was not ready for the Moose. This is good for his confidence and development. He looked good in the WJC. He is a high end prospect, as is McGroarty. Lambert does concern me, but time will tell.
- bennythehat

That is exactly right that Luscious was dealing with injuries. Kid is likely still growing physically so I am trading everyone else first before Lucious.

sadly our of all the out of town scouts in town last night to watch the game, San Jose was not there!!

Arizona had 2 people there. To me this is telling, they were not there to watch St.Louis. If Chevy is working a Chychrun trade I at least hope we get Crouse added in and Pionk is on the way out.
- Ross77

I fail to see the excitement about Crouse? He was invisible during the last game against....... I just don't understand the Crouse intrique?

Gennaro was a 7th round pick, so I am not sure anyone expected anything from him at the pro level.
As mentioned before, Lucius has had some past injury issues, so I like that he is doing well. No doubt, playing on a good team has something to do with it.
Let's agree to disagree.....
- bennythehat

I agree we will have to agree to disagree. I do hope that Lucius becomes something, however I am not as optimistic as some on this board. If an opportunity comes up to move him in order to improve this years roster, I say do it!

sadly our of all the out of town scouts in town last night to watch the game, San Jose was not there!!

Arizona had 2 people there. To me this is telling, they were not there to watch St.Louis. If Chevy is working a Chychrun trade I at least hope we get Crouse added in and Pionk is on the way out.
- Ross77

This is a good post!

If we look at the trade value of a first-round pick in 2023 one only has to look at Promnan's latest scouting list to see that pretty much anyone beyond the 10th-12th pick is at best a projected middle-of-the-lineup player. It's really the top 10 that really shine. So the Jets giving up a first-round pick that might come in at say 25th or so is the almost the same as trading away a guy with some term that plays on the 3rd line. So we'd be looking at a guy like Morgan Barron, Apples, etc. The only difference if the drafted player might be on a team for as much as 7-8 years .

For Horvat (UFA) the Canucks got Beauvillier (a 2nd/ 3rd line LW who has one year left , 1/2 pt per game), a prospect in Raty (with 2 years left ) , and a protected first-round pick. The equivalent offer for Horvat from the Jets might have been Appleton ( 2 yrs left , 1/2 pt per game , lower salary) , Lambert , and a 2023 first. If the ISLES don't pick up their socks and the Isles can't make a wild card spot then most certainly Lamoriello retrades Horvat and maybe comes out on top on the trade. I think the brainchild in Lou thinks that maybe Horvat enjoys the guys on the team and life on the Island for a month enough that he would consider re-signing in the off-season. If so the ISLES win big.

Looking at Meier who is an RFA (which adds some value), the Jets would need to give up a bit more. Appleton (or Barron), Heinola ( one yr to RFA) , and a first in 2023 ....and maybe also a lower prospect like Nikkanen. To me it makes sense.

If the Jets are going after another defenceman, it needs to be someone between DeMelo and Morrissey on the depth chart, not a depth guy. We have a log jam on the blueline, and would honestly see huge benefits just for dumping Pionk and letting 5-14 and 54-88 roll.

As for who to target, if your main points for a player are “tough” and “stay at home”, they are probably bad players. Don’t give up anything for a Luke Schenn, he’s a black hole.

Get Meier. Don’t care what it takes. Get him. Use Pionk, actually. He fills a hole for them, and he’s fun as f*ck without putting a dent in the rebuild effort

If you add Meier, Lowry and Barron get Wheeler and immediately we have a scoring 3rd line. Lowry has shown up every time he’s been given skilled linemates

Imagine:
Ehlers-Scheifele-Meier
Connor-Dubois-Perfetti
Barron-Lowry-Wheeler
Who-Cares-LOL

If we look at the trade value of a first-round pick in 2023 one only has to look at Promnan's latest scouting list to see that pretty much anyone beyond the 10th-12th pick is at best a projected middle-of-the-lineup player. It's really the top 10 that really shine. So the Jets giving up a first-round pick that might come in at say 25th or so is the almost the same as trading away a guy with some term that plays on the 3rd line. So we'd be looking at a guy like Morgan Barron, Apples, etc. The only difference if the drafted player might be on a team for as much as 7-8 years .

For Horvat (UFA) the Canucks got Beauvillier (a 2nd/ 3rd line LW who has one year left , 1/2 pt per game), a prospect in Raty (with 2 years left ) , and a protected first-round pick. The equivalent offer for Horvat from the Jets might have been Appleton ( 2 yrs left , 1/2 pt per game , lower salary) , Lambert , and a 2023 first. If the ISLES don't pick up their socks and the Isles can't make a wild card spot then most certainly Lamoriello retrades Horvat and maybe comes out on top on the trade. I think the brainchild in Lou thinks that maybe Horvat enjoys the guys on the team and life on the Island for a month enough that he would consider re-signing in the off-season. If so the ISLES win big.

Looking at Meier who is an RFA (which adds some value), the Jets would need to give up a bit more. Appleton (or Barron), Heinola ( one yr to RFA) , and a first in 2023 ....and maybe also a lower prospect like Nikkanen. To me it makes sense.
- jetsnation

Pretty sure SJ will want whoever the Jets top prospect is for Meier, probably Lucius and a 1st plus maybe a bit more. I doubt he'd extend here so not worth spending good assets on imo.

Some really good posts on trade potentials........ good analysis / comparisons to already completed trades and what they could interpret in Jet players.

I still would like to see Toews added for the faceoffs as Wpg needs some help. The costs seems to be reasonable and would add some crafty experience with excellent FO%.

He is taking OZ F/O 55.2% of the time and DZ FO at 44.8% with 63.3% average this year. Playoff FO average is 54.9%.

The Jets set plays for the PP iniitial FO is a disaster if you can't win that 1st faceoff and gain possession. If you don't win the initial PP FO, you are chasing and just wasted 30 seconds going back and getting the puck.

Get Toews now!

Pretty sure SJ will want whoever the Jets top prospect is for Meier, probably Lucius and a 1st plus maybe a bit more. I doubt he'd extend here so not worth spending good assets on imo.
- JetFuel

who cares if he wont extend here, he'd still be under our control and we can sign and trade him or keep him for one year and flip him at next years deadline as a rental and re coup whatever we give up now. Meir is 100% the best option right now.

I also agree with anyone in here wanting Konecnty!! he's my second choice after Meir and my third buy low choice is Mantha

Some really good posts on trade potentials........ good analysis / comparisons to already completed trades and what they could interpret in Jet players.

I still would like to see Toews added for the faceoffs as Wpg needs some help. The costs seems to be reasonable and would add some crafty experience with excellent FO%.

He is taking OZ F/O 55.2% of the time and DZ FO at 44.8% with 63.3% average this year. Playoff FO average is 54.9%.

The Jets set plays for the PP iniitial FO is a disaster if you can't win that 1st faceoff and gain possession. If you don't win the initial PP FO, you are chasing and just wasted 30 seconds going back and getting the puck.

Get Toews now!
- Old Flopper

I wonder what Scheifele's PP faceoff win% is compared to his 5v5 faceoff win%, seems like he loses every PP faceoff, would really help the PP if he could win a bloody faceoff.

I think Toews would really come in handy if one of Scheifele or PLD get hurt, they don't have a Stastny kicking around anymore and no one else in the lineup has the capability of playing 2C, they need someone who can fill in if needed.

who cares if he wont extend here, he'd still be under our control and we can sign and trade him or keep him for one year and flip him at next years deadline as a rental and re coup whatever we give up now. Meir is 100% the best option right now.
- Ross77

Another great post Ross. You are killing it lately!

This is the year to go all-in, especially with the Western Conference being weak. I do not foresee the Jets as having better cup odds than this year in the near future.

Another great post Ross. You are killing it lately!

This is the year to go all-in, especially with the Western Conference being weak. I do not foresee the Jets as having better cup odds than this year in the near future.
- TheUltimateJet

I'm all in this year on one condition!!! go ahead and trade whatever prospects and picks you want this year, BUT!! if you dont extend Shief, Helle or PLD this summer than you have to blow it up and trade them all this summer!!!

we can not trade picks and prospects this year to go all in and then keep the band together next year and risk losing those assets for nothing.

that would put us back 10 years. go all in this year and if you cant extend those big three, blow it up and trade them all this summer.

to me this is a pretty obvious plan.

I'm all in this year on one condition!!! go ahead and trade whatever prospects and picks you want this year, BUT!! if you dont extend Shief, Helle or PLD this summer than you have to blow it up and trade them all this summer!!!

we can not trade picks and prospects this year to go all in and then keep the band together next year and risk losing those assets for nothing.

that would put us back 10 years. go all in this year and if you cant extend those big three, blow it up and trade them all this summer.

to me this is a pretty obvious plan.
- Ross77

That is exactly what I have been saying!

That is exactly what I have been saying!
- TheUltimateJet

yes you have. no argument from me on that

who cares if he wont extend here, he'd still be under our control and we can sign and trade him or keep him for one year and flip him at next years deadline as a rental and re coup whatever we give up now. Meir is 100% the best option right now.
- Ross77

His qualifying offer is $10M, likely won't get the same assets back if they traded him later on, the needs are in the bottom six and defense, need a spare center should Scheifele or PLD get injured, a team that can't attract quality free agents and is tops on most no trade lists cant take a who cares attitude when trading quality assets.

His qualifying offer is $10M, likely won't get the same assets back if they traded him later on, the needs are in the bottom six and defense, need a spare center should Scheifele or PLD get injured, a team that can't attract quality free agents and is tops on most no trade lists cant take a who cares attitude when trading quality assets.
- JetFuel

yes his qualifying offer is 10 million, but another team can trade for him this summer and sign him long term. We can also move things around this summer to fit that in and trade him at next years deadline. Chicago is likely trading two players this month making 10 million and neither are as good now as Meir is.

yes our bottom 6 is not good but the best way to improve it is buy adding to our top 6 and dropping a guy like Wheeler down to the bottom 6, not by adding other teams bottom 6 guys to ours. We can still add a Toews or center but Meir is the top guy available now, if you can get him, you get him.