Carlo sucks? Hawks can only wish that their defensive defenseman prospects sniff Carlo’s career.
- LAHawk

Great you love him, still 20 years old and over 200 pounds when he played with the big boys.

Bettman Cup Standings at the All Star Break
(Pts/Games played)
1) Jackets 0.660 (Lottery 25.5% 1st overall, 18.8% 2nd, 55.7% 3rd, 0% 4th)
2) Hawks 0.708 (13.5%, 14.4%, 32%, 40.2%)
3) Ducks 0.740 (11.5%, 11.5%, 7.4%, 40.7%)
4) Yotes 0.760 (9.5%, 9.8%, 0%, 15.4%)
5) Sharks 0.804 (8.5%, 8.8%, 0%, 0%)
6) Nucks 0.878 (7.5%, 7.9%, 0%, 0%)
7) Canadiens 0.880 (6.5%, 6.9%, 0%, 0%)
- -Doh-

The Jackets are surprisingly bad, if there is any team that will get the #1 pick over the Hawks its Columbus, regardless of the standings.

I don’t know if the Hawks will be as active at the TDL as people expect. There is lots of competition in the rental market. I know Kane and to a lesser degree Toews have a certain cache with their history, but they’re having poor seasons, Maybe they play better on better teams but it’s a risk for the acquiring team. I think Horvat will be the top rental target, he’s having the best season and would be worth re-signing. Meier would be in a similar situation.

Domi and AA could be dealt, but the return would be limited. I’ve started to see Raddysh’s name is trade rumours, he’s on a 20-25 goal pace (on a bad team) and he has 1 more year after this season with an AAV under $1 million. I doubt KD moves Raddysh, but I wouldn’t have expected KD to get 2 firsts and 2 roster players for Hagel either.

Hawks send down Roos, Stauber and Philp. Most likely to get them some playing time during the current 9 day hiatus. Added bonus they're gaining a bit of deadline cap space by having the minimum 20 player roster.

The Jackets are surprisingly bad, if there is any team that will get the #1 pick over the Hawks its Columbus, regardless of the standings.

I don’t know if the Hawks will be as active at the TDL as people expect. There is lots of competition in the rental market. I know Kane and to a lesser degree Toews have a certain cache with their history, but they’re having poor seasons, Maybe they play better on better teams but it’s a risk for the acquiring team. I think Horvat will be the top rental target, he’s having the best season and would be worth re-signing. Meier would be in a similar situation.

Domi and AA could be dealt, but the return would be limited. I’ve started to see Raddysh’s name is trade rumours, he’s on a 20-25 goal pace (on a bad team) and he has 1 more year after this season with an AAV under $1 million. I doubt KD moves Raddysh, but I wouldn’t have expected KD to get 2 firsts and 2 roster players for Hagel either.
- DarthKane

Couple of thoughts, Darth, on the trade market and Raddysh. Personally I don't see Kane or Toews waiving, probably to the disappointment of KD, so I can see him trying to maximize the return of anyone else on the trade block, which is basically the whole team.

He can retain on Domi, McCabe (2 more years or not) and AA to get a pick one round higher, or a better prospect with AA getting the least return by far IMO. Or he can retain on two of the three and use the last retention slot to act as middle man on a 3 way trade thus acquiring maybe a 4th rounder. He can also add someone like Lafferty, possibly a D prospect who doesn't fit into their long term plans (Mitchell ?) or Stalock (if he comes back from IR before the TDL and plays a few good games) to a Domi/McCabe package to increase the return.

As for Raddysh, I'd move him for a Hagel return, but I doubt if that type of offer comes around. Many of us, including myself, are enamored with getting a bunch of picks in trades, but those are a crap shoot as we all know. Have to keep some of these decent kids instead of rolling them over for futures. I sometimes wonder if Raddysh could turn into the 2020's version of Patrick Sharp. He could be one of the "elder statesman" on the team in 5 or 6 years scoring 25-30 goals a season.

Couple of thoughts, Darth, on the trade market and Raddysh. Personally I don't see Kane or Toews waiving, probably to the disappointment Of KD, so I can see him trying to maximize the return of any else on the trade block, which is basically the whole team.

He can retain on Domi, McCabe (2 more years or not) and AA to get a pick one round higher or a better prospect with AA getting the least return by far IMO. Or he can retain on 2 of the three and use the last retention slot to act as middle man on a 3 way trade thus acquiring maybe a 4th rounder. He can also add someone like Lafferty, possibly a D prospect who doesn't fit into their long term plans (Mitchell ?) or Stalock (if he comes back from IR before the TDL and plays a few good games) to a Domi/McCabe package to increase the return.

As for Raddysh, I'd move him for a Hagel return, but I doubt if that type of offer comes around. Many of us, including myself, are enamored with getting a bunch of picks in trades, but those are a crap shoot as we all know. Have to keep some of these decent kids instead of rolling them over for futures. I sometimes wonder if Raddysh could turn into the 2020's version of the Patrick Sharp. He could be one of the "elder statesman" on the team in 5 or 6 years scoring 25-30 goals a season.
- boilermaker100

The way Kane and Toews are playing I doubt either brings a first anyway. Waiving is now less important to us than it was at the beginning of the season.

The way Kane and Toews are playing I doubt either brings a first anyway. Waiving is now less important to us than it was at the beginning of the season.
- rpeters01

Get what you can

The way Kane and Toews are playing I doubt either brings a first anyway. Waiving is now less important to us than it was at the beginning of the season.
- rpeters01

KD and us fans would feel even worse if they were having very good years and decided not to waive.

The Jackets are surprisingly bad, if there is any team that will get the #1 pick over the Hawks its Columbus, regardless of the standings.

I don’t know if the Hawks will be as active at the TDL as people expect. There is lots of competition in the rental market. I know Kane and to a lesser degree Toews have a certain cache with their history, but they’re having poor seasons, Maybe they play better on better teams but it’s a risk for the acquiring team. I think Horvat will be the top rental target, he’s having the best season and would be worth re-signing. Meier would be in a similar situation.

Domi and AA could be dealt, but the return would be limited. I’ve started to see Raddysh’s name is trade rumours, he’s on a 20-25 goal pace (on a bad team) and he has 1 more year after this season with an AAV under $1 million. I doubt KD moves Raddysh, but I wouldn’t have expected KD to get 2 firsts and 2 roster players for Hagel either.
- DarthKane

I would keep Raddysh and Kurashev need to have some players on the roster. Unless you get a Hagel type deal then keep them going forward imo.

KD and us fans would feel even worse if they were having very good years and decided not to waive.
- boilermaker100

At this point if they haven't made up there minds yet then most likely staying.

Couple of thoughts, Darth, on the trade market and Raddysh. Personally I don't see Kane or Toews waiving, probably to the disappointment of KD, so I can see him trying to maximize the return of any else on the trade block, which is basically the whole team.

He can retain on Domi, McCabe (2 more years or not) and AA to get a pick one round higher, or a better prospect with AA getting the least return by far IMO. Or he can retain on two of the three and use the last retention slot to act as middle man on a 3 way trade thus acquiring maybe a 4th rounder. He can also add someone like Lafferty, possibly a D prospect who doesn't fit into their long term plans (Mitchell ?) or Stalock (if he comes back from IR before the TDL and plays a few good games) to a Domi/McCabe package to increase the return.

As for Raddysh, I'd move him for a Hagel return, but I doubt if that type of offer comes around. Many of us, including myself, are enamored with getting a bunch of picks in trades, but those are a crap shoot as we all know. Have to keep some of these decent kids instead of rolling them over for futures. I sometimes wonder if Raddysh could turn into the 2020's version of Patrick Sharp. He could be one of the "elder statesman" on the team in 5 or 6 years scoring 25-30 goals a season.
- boilermaker100

Good post, Boiler.

I agree that KD will sell what he can, if he gets the return he wants.

Agree also with Darth above - KD's job really begins this off-season; many can rip it apart, but few can put it back together.

Well call the Sabres if you decide to move Murphy, think we could come to a fair agreement for both sides.

KD and us fans would feel even worse if they were having very good years and decided not to waive.
- boilermaker100

What we hear and what's reality are possibly two different things? Perhaps they know nobody wants them at $5.25?

Well call the Sabres if you decide to move Murphy, think we could come to a fair agreement for both sides.
- Buff36

If we didn't need the salary to reach the floor next year, I'd say a bag of pucks. How about a 2nd and a B level prospect?

If we didn't need the salary to reach the floor next year, I'd say a bag of pucks. How about a 2nd and a B level prospect?
- Dieselhead

Philadelphia's 2nd Josh Bloom

Well call the Sabres if you decide to move Murphy, think we could come to a fair agreement for both sides.
- Buff36

2023 2nd and prospect? Your thoughts

Much has been written, and rightfully so, about Kane and Toews waiving their NMC at the deadline. One thing not talked much about is that both were eligible for a new deal last July, and there hasn't been a peep about it from the players or the team. I think it is fair to assume the team doesn't want them back and will let them walk if they don't waive. Unless one or both have agreed to leave at the TDL and come back in the summer.

Much has been written, and rightfully so, about Kane and Toews waiving their NMC at the deadline. One thing not talked much about is that both were eligible for a new deal last July, and there hasn't been a peep about it from the players or the team. I think it is fair to assume the team doesn't want them back and will let them walk if they don't waive. Unless one or both have agreed to leave at the TDL and come back in the summer.
- mohel

Oh, look who’s dreaming up conspiracy theories now!

I would keep Raddysh and Kurashev need to have some players on the roster. Unless you get a Hagel type deal then keep them going forward imo.
- Scott1977

Raddysh and Kurashev are the only players on the roster to likely be with the Hawks when they’re relevant again.

Raddysh and Kurashev are the only players on the roster to likely be with the Hawks when they’re relevant again.
- DarthKane

Yeah, like the Hawks will ever be relevant. 🤣🤣🤣

2023 2nd and prospect? Your thoughts
- Scott1977

Put a offer above your post

2023 2nd and prospect? Your thoughts
- Scott1977

Philly 2nd, Josh Bloom and Portillo?

Well call the Sabres if you decide to move Murphy, think we could come to a fair agreement for both sides.
- Buff36

and for Kaner too...

One thing not talked much about is that both were eligible for a new deal last July, and there hasn't been a peep about it from the players or the team. I think it is fair to assume the team doesn't want them back and will let them walk if they don't waive.
- mohel

I am going to assume a Kane Toews re-up wasn't discussed because the Hawks do not want to pay 8 million for their alligence and ability to sign autographs as they go to pasture.

At a reasonable amount sure on both...they are better than the rest there and would be very helpful ushering in the 2023 pick when ever he4 gets here and Nazar and the 2023forwards, but realistically they both may think they can pad their back accounts and final years on a team that is gonna win more.

I am going to assume a Kane Toews re-up wasn't discussed because the Hawks do not want to pay 8 million for their alligence and ability to sign autographs as they go to pasture.

At a reasonable amount sure on both...they are better than the rest there and would be very helpful ushering in the 2023 pick when ever he4 gets here and Nazar and the 2023forwards, but realistically they both may think they can pad their back accounts and final years on a team that is gonna win more.
- wiz1901

If padding the bank accounts are primary, I would think the endorsement dollars in Chicago would far outweigh any other location.

Raddysh and Kurashev are the only players on the roster to likely be with the Hawks when they’re relevant again.
- DarthKane

If these two our all we have to offer, we better Winn the lottery both times we can and hold on to every possible pick because...(I can even answer this)

In am curious though let's say Montreal wins the lottery this year and then 2024...they then are disqualified from any more lottery wins.

If they finish say 12 before the 2025 lottery, do they just not get any lottery balls?
Does their 2wins higher the odds for the others ?

I think it does...