Wondering what the cost is of getting a third team to retain 2.625m for the rest of the season.

Is it a third or fourth round pick? Or a prospect like one of the Rockford D-men?
- totem

Somewhere in that range I imagine. Lots of times the acquiring team pays it.

Caleb Jones is such a spaz

Looks like T. Johnson hurt again

Looks like T. Johnson hurt again
- LAHawk

Yep i think it happened after he checked someone behind the Kings net and when he turned around to skate away the opposing player i think pitch forked him

Unless Mitchells feet get quicker he's really going to struggle in this league

Caleb Jones is such a spaz
- BetweenTheDots

Yet they sit Phillips instead of him….

Yet they sit Phillips instead of him….
- Angotti

KD is calling the shots. The tank is starting to go off course.

Yet they sit Phillips instead of him….
- Angotti

Hoping that C Jones proves himself unworthy after receiving a fair opportunity to show his value over the course of this season. If Edmonton was willing to part ways with him, GM Holland must not believed there was a long term future for him on their blueline. Seth Jones: your brother just didn't show progress in development. You still have hope for him Wiz?

Hello Theo,

Hopefully you withstood all the rain recently in California. Maybe you had a rain day off from work.

At some point - perhaps now if you feel comfortable with a prediction- or after the season WOULD like to read your take on how the dman prospects you have seen at Rockford (for some in Chicago) progress next sesson.Conversly, perhaps someone like Galvas needs to move on despite ability I believe to play well in the NHL

I do realize there are factors in play, such ad wanting to keep pushing for Mitchell and changing their mind to see both Rrgula and Roos get in a full season in Rockford because they won't find time in a numbers game thus season In Chicago. Neither may be ready quite yet anyway

And what about Crevier. Progress made in development?

Regula a tad on slow side skating and slow feet? Will he play consistently well knowing what he must do defensively to be successful?

Unless Mitchells feet get quicker he's really going to struggle in this league
- BetweenTheDots

Thanks for the input Dots

Wondering if Del Maestro can overcome this same challenge. Unless I am wrong on this

Right or wrong I have thoughts on hockey players, USHLers in particular, cuz my eyes are on them. Take it or leave it........ Sorry for the rant just a clarification of sorts and that being I read, and post, for evaluations not slotting. Much like reading the Racing Form. I read evaluations, sort thru the info and place my bet on my opinion not others. Hell, that's where the fun is.
- Mr Ricochet

And that's why I love you, Rico.

Rant, oh, no!

My passion is my rants.

I just think that this draft race after the one thoroughbred, is not so cut and dried at this juncture, that we keep waiting and watching.

My fear isn't that they take a defender early as much as they stick to the idea that speed and high tempo rate higher that all the other attributes.

So many smaller guys in that top 60.

and many guys who have hands but are not burners.

Too me I want small area attackers / distributers and the more size the better.

I will you one name I hadn't mentioned above, big Finn Kasper Halttunen. The guy is ultra physical, likes to hurt you.
Right now he is far from the skilled names sitting above him on all draft boards.
He didn't help himself at the World's by showing solid competence or dominance in any areas other than using huis size.
His World Junior with Finnish team was a big disappointment.

That doesn't mean in three years he is a beast.

Or that Charlie Stramel's foot speed and vision take a qualitative jump while playing in Wisconsin.. They're still a big kid you can emerge as a beast.

As can Adam Fantilli.

Thanks for the input Dots

Wondering if Del Maestro can overcome this same challenge. Unless I am wrong on this
- jhawk59

You know i don't mind them splitting games between Mitchell and Phillips lots to take in when you are facing the best in the world, Phillips seems to be way more effecient in tight spaces with his skating than Mitchell right now. Even if he wasn't he has some size and strength to him and that may be the same with Del Maestro. Due to Mitchell's size its the only thing that's really going to allow him to be an effective pro at this level.

(Not directed at you; Wiz)

I’m not worried about who the Hawks draft in 2023, I think it will be a top line forward regardless of where they draft and who is available. This rebuild isn’t Bedard-or-bust. Yes, he’s the prospect we all covet most, but it’s not a failure if they don’t get him.

KD needs to fill the cupboards with as many quality prospects as possible. 5 picks in the first 2 rounds in 2022 and 4 (and counting) in each of the next two drafts is a great start.
- DarthKane

Darth, I agree that the Kane / Toews return is not what is the only important part with the 15 year Hawks Kane & Toews. It is their future happiness. remember they weren't happy as Crawford was dropped, then Hammer and Breadman, and I bet they felt in their hearts they knew what was in the cards, that the team was in need better players, and Taser said so.
After their loyalty, I knowI don't want to be the one sending them away, unless they want it.

There just seems to a lot of options for playoff teams to chose from and maybe that lowers the chances especially since they both have fat contracts that the Blackhawks can only eat HALF of.

The league knows what Kane can still do, but...as A RENTAL eventually playing in Buffalo in 2023-24, or as resign?
Both will take pay cuts. Not sure which team offers them the best deals in their twilight.
So KD talks, waits, the two hawks are kept in the loop, and In think KD adjusts his asks, maybe away from the 2023 class.
And maybe a solid prospect gets it done from a team for Kane.

The thing is KD has the decades old, "we tried" mantra if he doesn't deal them, and he doesn't have to just take what he's offered...his out is the deal wasn't there.

Over the course of so many of the last two decades trade deadline deals, it still surprises ne how teams in the hunt have continued to trade first rounders to try and get over what they may think of as inequality between their current squad and one who has added a true high end attacker (or a veteran defender who helps eat minutes that is absent from their current SIX backlines.)

I see FOUR Hawk defenders who could garner interest but again no 1st or 2nds are coming back. So maybe try and secure a kid who maybe an nhler in a few with patience, or simply add more Lafferty's because speed is a nice asset (even though it doesn't work that well against the old New Jersey trap the Kings used successfully against the Oilers and the surging Blackhawks tonight.

I am curious if a team like the Sabres is interested in feather their playoff nest if they are a wild card team.

That 2023 #1 pick would be enough.

Maybe I take both 2nd rounders (one is Philly's) from Buffalo, as much as I would love to get near #17 slot because I am fairly certain there is one team near or in slot #13 willing to trade down to get two picks to replenish their farm system

Maybe it's too bad Kaner's controlling his fate. Dontcha thing the Preds would love him?
Or Calgary?

Darth, I agree that the Kane / Toews return is not what is the only important part with the 15 year Hawks Kane & Toews. It is their future happiness. remember they weren't happy as Crawford was dropped, then Hammer and Breadman, and I bet they felt in their hearts they knew what was in the cards, that the team was in need better players, and Taser said so.
After their loyalty, I knowI don't want to be the one sending them away, unless they want it.

There just seems to a lot of options for playoff teams to chose from and maybe that lowers the chances especially since they both have fat contracts that the Blackhawks can only eat HALF of.

The league knows what Kane can still do, but...as A RENTAL eventually playing in Buffalo in 2023-24, or as resign?
Both will take pay cuts. Not sure which team offers them the best deals in their twilight.
So KD talks, waits, the two hawks are kept in the loop, and In think KD adjusts his asks, maybe away from the 2023 class.
And maybe a solid prospect gets it done from a team for Kane.

The thing is KD has the decades old, "we tried" mantra if he doesn't deal them, and he doesn't have to just take what he's offered...his out is the deal wasn't there.

Over the course of so many of the last two decades trade deadline deals, it still surprises ne how teams in the hunt have continued to trade first rounders to try and get over what they may think of as inequality between their current squad and one who has added a true high end attacker (or a veteran defender who helps eat minutes that is absent from their current SIX backlines.)

I see FOUR Hawk defenders who could garner interest but again no 1st or 2nds are coming back. So maybe try and secure a kid who maybe an nhler in a few with patience, or simply add more Lafferty's because speed is a nice asset (even though it doesn't work that well against the old New Jersey trap the Kings used successfully against the Oilers and the surging Blackhawks tonight.

I am curious if a team like the Sabres is interested in feather their playoff nest if they are a wild card team.

That 2023 #1 pick would be enough.

Maybe I take both 2nd rounders (one is Philly's) from Buffalo, as much as I would love to get near #17 slot because I am fairly certain there is one team near or in slot #13 willing to trade down to get two picks to replenish their farm system

Maybe it's too bad Kaner's controlling his fate. Dontcha thing the Press would love him?
Or Calgary?
- wiz1901

I'm not sure about that. One thing I've learned on the board over the last 10 years or so, is folks here know better what the GM was or wasn't offered in any trade deals, more than the GM himself.

I'm not sure about that. One thing I've learned on the board over the last 10 years or so, is folks here know better what the GM was or wasn't offered in any trade deals, more than the GM himself.

- vabeachbear

Ever go over to capfriendly's arm chair GM page? You should see some of the trade proposals involving Hawk players.

We all could have different perspective’s on the draft, I am interested in other people’s takes and have no desire to debate either. My top 5 for the Hawks would be:

1. Bedard
2. Fantilli
3. Carlsson
4. Michkov
5. Dvorsky

I think there’s a 50/50 chance the Hawks draft Michkov at #4, he’d be the most talented player available, but he some with considerable risk.
- DarthKane

1. Bedard
2. Michkov
3. Fantilli
4. Carlsson

Michkov was the consensus #2 up until this season. Now teams are spooked about him being Russian and not coming over right away. There was even chatter about him being better than Bedard, which is somewhat silly but also reminds us that Fantilli and Carlsson have never had that said about them.

Hoping that C Jones proves himself unworthy after receiving a fair opportunity to show his value over the course of this season. If Edmonton was willing to part ways with him, GM Holland must not believed there was a long term future for him on their blueline. Seth Jones: your brother just didn't show progress in development. You still have hope for him Wiz?
- jhawk59

C Jones is simply not an NHL level player. He’s an above average skater but that’s it. His hands, physicality, stick, shot, IQ are all below average. If his last name wasn’t Jones he wouldn’t be on this team. This defense will be much more entertaining once C Jones and Murphy are no longer dragging it into the possession abyss.

1. Bedard
2. Michkov
3. Fantilli
4. Carlsson

Michkov was the consensus #2 up until this season. Now teams are spooked about him being Russian and not coming over right away. There was even chatter about him being better than Bedard, which is somewhat silly but also reminds us that Fantilli and Carlsson have never had that said about them.
- ObeseOprah

Not debating just pointing out; the odds no defense men are taken top five are very low.

I don’t think trading Toews and Kane is solely about the return, if KD can get a 2nd+ for Toews and a 1st+ for Kane (with the “+” being not much, maybe a b-level prospect) that’s a win for the Hawks. 19 and 88 have done enough for the Hawks, I don’t think KD needs to get anything for them, although it would help the rebuild. It’s just time turn the page and fully move onto the next phase of the Blackhawks.

Normally I’d want to maximize the return for any players. But for Toews and Kane I’m ok with them dictating their future, even if that means not waiving their NMC and walking in the summer for nothing.
- DarthKane

Agreed, I think KD is ready to move on and won't hold them hostage. I also think the odds are low either is back next year.

On another issue I think whatever is ailing Kane is chronic Seabrook like or else he'd be better by now and they wouldn't be avoiding surgery.

Agreed, I think KD is ready to move on and won't hold them hostage. I also think the odds are low either is back next year.

On another issue I think whatever is ailing Kane is chronic Seabrook like or else he'd be better by now and they wouldn't be avoiding surgery.
- rpeters01

To anyone out there, is it common practice to allow trading partners access to Kane's medical reports to judge the seriousness of his injury?

T. Johnson to IR. Phillips sent down. Roos and Luke Philp (who?) called up.

Respectfully to you, EP or Craig Button types I don't care where folks have a prospect slotted. I read you or EP for EVALUATIONS on what you SEE, not where you have players ranked. ........ That's your thing, your competitive world, where you have a player ranked compared to the other guys, not mine, for the most part. I'm never surprised or angry at a slotting.

But this can't be avoided at times. We have folks here, and everywhere, saying I loved this guy where a Dach was taken and look at him now. Well sure in a vacuum you can swing and hit but it's all about value pick after pick, rd after rd, yr after yr, decade after decade. Swing every time, you lose. I advocated for Dobson and when they drafted Boqvuist I was sickened, posted 5 seconds later and besides once or twice since never said another word. I did however post I liked Wahlstrom too many times since. I get more value thinking about my misses than hits.

My world? Like the question I asked you from your decades of evaluation in my first post that you haven't answered. Does Fantilli getting demoted from L1 to L4, and running with that demotion, show you something that no fancy stat or measurable can, his HEART, MIND and compete???????????????? It does mine in a big big way.

I'm most interested in leaning on your expertise for questions like that than where you have players slotted. ....... Same as I asked totem as a guy who sees a jr team consistently like he does Seattle. Since coming back from the WJC have you noticed any positive or negative changes in Korchinski or Allen?

Watching enough jrs, or any level/team really, one might see a switch flip. To my eye one shift into Reichel's last promotion I saw that switch flip and posted immediately. And IMO didn't need a scout's eye to see that cuz I ain't no scout just as totem isn't but going by his posts dude has some hockey IQ and I read what he posts.

If someone was interested in my thoughts on Hrabal IMO I can be much more helpful by telling him what I SEE than where I slot him but I'm not a draftnik like you....... I'd say I saw him last night for the first time in 2 weeks and that his body language has drastically changed in that time, that it looks like Omaha's terrible season is wearing on him, that he looks almost defeated.

Doesn't change the fact that I'm this close to saying in my 15 yrs of following jrs I might say Hrabal has more tools than any goalie I've ever seen, including Knight.

Some stop pucks cuz they are athletic, some cuz they are technical, some cuz they can track, some cuz they can read, some cuz they are poised, some cuz they are explosive, some cuz they are efficient, some cuz they battle, some cuz they can skate, some cuz they are big but I have never seen any goalie prospect have EVERY one of those tools like Hrabal does and he's 6ft 6 in!!!

Interesting to see him work thru these recent struggles. This is where I see value in reading evaluations much like I mentioned to you Whitelaw is different the last little bit. Kid is harder on pucks, attacking the middle, showing a confidence he hasn't until now. A switch might have gone off? .... I mention this to you not for slotting purposes but for a heads up and you do what you will with that.

Not here to tell you hey, I had Dobson above Boqvuist, and posted so the nanosecond they took the Svede, or I saw the switch flip for Reichel in his first shift a month ago, and posted so before The Athletic, or anyone else. Not my niche, Wiz.

Right or wrong I have thoughts on hockey players, USHLers in particular, cuz my eyes are on them. Take it or leave it........ Sorry for the rant just a clarification of sorts and that being I read, and post, for evaluations not slotting. Much like reading the Racing Form. I read evaluations, sort thru the info and place my bet on my opinion not others. Hell, that's where the fun is.
- Mr Ricochet

Great post Mr. R, couldn't be more in agreement.

And like you, I was all for The Hawks taking Noah Dobson ahead of both Bovqist and Evan Bouchard. He was the Brent Seabrook replacement staring Stan Bowman right in the face.

Pre-draft rankings - who really cares this year after Bedard. I thought the same as you about how Fantilli adapted in the tournnament, not bad for a kid born late 2004 and playing in a U20 tournament. Is he the 2nd best player in the draft - we won't find that out for 3-5 years.

Mr. Michkov might be, but he is still trying to recover from the train collision he had when the Alexi Emelin Westbound Express going top speed ran into him going eastbound with his head down.

T. Johnson to IR. Phillips sent down. Roos and Luke Philp (who?) called up.
- boilermaker100

Roos had to agree to the AHL assignment per his contract. I believe that he agreed to go more than anything else, to receive regular playing time. The AHL is a physical league, so adjustment to North American play is going to be experienced AHL and NHL

KD knows he has a good player in Roos. But how good might he turn out? Jumping in to a regular NHL pair is a challenge and Roos is better prepared having gained both AHL and NHL experience. Rockford has lost a couple games in a row and Roos plus minus was not good, but that is not necessarily his fault.

Philip is playing well, getting points in the AHL. Like Seney he is likely a marginal NHL talent but sometimes players like these two might be able to carve out an NHL role after a couple or more AHL seasons. I believe this is the understanding I came away with when reading
about his joining Rockford [/img]

"(It took Ovi a year before he made the trip across the pond and it took Malkin two season after his draft[ selection.) Oh, the Ukrainian War? Didn’t players make their way over during the Cold War?"

Sorry, but a hot war is vastly different than a Cold War - this is an entirely different ball game barring a defection scenario - it is more like MogilnyFedorov compared to where Bure fell in the draft -for more or less similar reasons.

Not debating just pointing out; the odds no defense men are taken top five are very low.
- rpeters01

There won't be a defender taken until the late teens or maybe the 20's...justr too many high quality forwards to look at defenders...trade down if you want one because all need development time.
There simply isn't a Nemec or Korchinski on the board so you have to wait for the one you choose to grow his game.