Gotta get past the 1st round first
- Fakepartofme

Why? He’s built one of the best teams in the league. If he loses to another of the best teams in the league does that mean there’s somebody better available?

But 1 player in the nhl can cost you games.
- bryant

Maybe a goalie

Leafs should trade for Bergeron.
There i said it.
- Fakepartofme

And Pasta and Marchand. Nice 3rd line

Timothy Liljegren is the leafs best Defenseman ..change my mind
- senstroll

Mostly. He's up there with Brodie for sure. And ole 39 Gio ain't bad either.

Looks like the panthers are moving their first round pick out of Bedard territory

Oh no. I just saw Robertson is done for the season with shoulder surgery.
- Aaron_85

Yep that’s a real bummer for the kid.

Why? He’s built one of the best teams in the league. If he loses to another of the best teams in the league does that mean there’s somebody better available?
- Canada Cup

Has he really, though, CC? This is specious at best. I am very confident, CC, that if you were given the same circumstances Kyle was given the day he took over as GM that you could have GM'd this team to a similar record, and let's be perfectly clear - your playoff record would most certainly not be worse. One of the best regular season teams, I guess. And people in here are already beginning the apology process should they lose in the first round, again.

Has he really, though, CC? This is specious at best. I am very confident, CC, that if you were given the same circumstances Kyle was given the day he took over as GM that you could have GM'd this team to a similar record, and let's be perfectly clear - your playoff record would most certainly not be worse. One of the best regular season teams, I guess. And people in here are already beginning the apology process should they lose in the first round, again.
- fifty__missions

It's not specious though. He has built one of the best teams in the league. They are one of the best teams in the league, and he's the GM. They have as good a chance as any team this year.

It's not specious though. He has built one of the best teams in the league. They are one of the best teams in the league, and he's the GM. They have as good a chance as any team this year.
- Zezel

It’s not worth it man.

It’s not worth it man.
- shack67

I know man lol

Go Leafs Go

Dubas doesn't have a contract extension for a reason. If MLSE believed in him he would have been extended last summer. He wasn't. His playoff failures with this team do matter and have finally caught up with him. Having great regular seasons and then out in the first round won't cut it anymore. If there is no playoff success this year he is gone. Playoff rounds equals loads and loads of money. MLSE has given Dubas a blank cheque to this point to turn this team into a winner(PLAY-OFF WINNER) and he hasn't got the job done yet. I like Dubas(for the record) and think he has done many many things right. He has turned this franchise into a world class organization. But the writing is on the wall. That is not an opinion, it is the only explanation on why he has not been extended. Like it or not.

Oh no. I just saw Robertson is done for the season with shoulder surgery.
- Aaron_85

Would have been a great trade chip come deadline day. Probably best to get off that bus if anyone is still willing to take the potential as a return, oozing with talent but the poor kid can't stay healthy to save his life.

Dubas doesn't have a contract extension for a reason. If MLSE believed in him he would have been extended last summer. He wasn't. His playoff failures with this team do matter and have finally caught up with him. Having great regular seasons and then out in the first round won't cut it anymore. If there is no playoff success this year he is gone. Playoff rounds equals loads and loads of money. MLSE has given Dubas a blank cheque to this point to turn this team into a winner(PLAY-OFF WINNER) and he hasn't got the job done yet. I like Dubas(for the record) and think he has done many many things right. He has turned this franchise into a world class organization. But the writing is on the wall. That is not an opinion, it is the only explanation on why he has not been extended. Like it or not.
- rSole

Or MLSE wants to keep an employee motivated? It's a job, you don't always get extensions well ahead of time for poops and giggles.

Your "only explanation" angle is largely hogwash.

Or MLSE wants to keep an employee motivated? It's a job, you don't always get extensions well ahead of time for poops and giggles.

Your "only explanation" angle is largely hogwash.
- joel878

In sports it is called a lame-duck. Usually associated with Management and coaches. It is a "show me" or you are gone. Pretty simple to understand.

Has he really, though, CC? This is specious at best. I am very confident, CC, that if you were given the same circumstances Kyle was given the day he took over as GM that you could have GM'd this team to a similar record, and let's be perfectly clear - your playoff record would most certainly not be worse. One of the best regular season teams, I guess. And people in here are already beginning the apology process should they lose in the first round, again.
- fifty__missions

I'm in the middle on this.

Burkie (and others) would have traded 88 for Ritchie or some other worthless assets long ago.

If they finally make a dent in the playoffs you have to give Dubas credit for sticking with this core as long as he has.

On top of that I think he's finally built a better surrounding cast in the bottom 6, d-core and goaltending.

In sports it is called a lame-duck. Usually associated with Management and coaches. It is a "show me" or you are gone. Pretty simple to understand.
- rSole

You may as well have just said you weren't understanding the plot as soon as you expressed that your take is not an opinion.

It's not a surety that they lose in round 1 and he doesn't get extended. It's a possibility but so is an extension. Because no billion dollar corporation starts a season by going "if you don't win at least one more game than you did last year in the playoffs, you're fired".

There's just a little more at play than that, part of it you covered when you said he's done a good job. Because with any different GM there's going to be some treading water while they take time to put their own mark on the team. No one cans a known over one game for an unknown. No one ever accused this fanbase of being rational anyways...

You may as well have just said you weren't understanding the plot as soon as you expressed that your take is not an opinion.

It's not a surety that they lose in round 1 and he doesn't get extended. It's a possibility but so is an extension. Because no billion dollar corporation starts a season by going "if you don't win at least one more game than you did last year in the playoffs, you're fired".

There's just a little more at play than that, part of it you covered when you said he's done a good job. Because with any different GM there's going to be some treading water while they take time to put their own mark on the team. No one cans a known over one game for an unknown. No one ever accused this fanbase of being rational anyways...
- joel878

If they lose in the first round, he is very very likely gone. I agree with you it is not 100%(if that makes you feel any better lol). But you have to agree if they were completely happy with the job he has done he would have been extended already. No organization in any sport leaves a coach or manager hanging like that. Again, it is called a lame-duck. They are waiting for a reason. Waiting on what? His only hurtle is playoff success. They are not convinced. Not sure how you can argue against that. Unless you just like to argue.

If they lose in the first round, he is very very likely gone. I agree with you it is not 100%(if that makes you feel any better lol). But you have to agree if they were completely happy with the job he has done he would have been extended already. No organization in any sport leaves a coach or manager hanging like that. Again, it is called a lame-duck. They are waiting for a reason. Waiting on what? His only hurtle is playoff success. They are not convinced. Not sure how you can argue against that. Unless you just like to argue.
- rSole

So lose in first round = very very very likely gone.

Get swept in second round = extension?

I guess I've just missed the part where 100% of coaches and managers in pro sports history who weren't extended ahead of time were ultimately fired.

Or also maybe it doesn't work like that, and every situation is unique. Time will tell I guess, we live in a world where Barry Trotz went though an entire playoffs and won a cup without an extension in hand and still didn't get it. Maybe he didn't prove himself. 🤷

It’s not worth it man.
- shack67

I almost hit reply then saw your post lol You're right

Dubas doesn't have a contract extension for a reason. If MLSE believed in him he would have been extended last summer. He wasn't. His playoff failures with this team do matter and have finally caught up with him. Having great regular seasons and then out in the first round won't cut it anymore. If there is no playoff success this year he is gone. Playoff rounds equals loads and loads of money. MLSE has given Dubas a blank cheque to this point to turn this team into a winner(PLAY-OFF WINNER) and he hasn't got the job done yet. I like Dubas(for the record) and think he has done many many things right. He has turned this franchise into a world class organization. But the writing is on the wall. That is not an opinion, it is the only explanation on why he has not been extended. Like it or not.
- rSole

As I said earlier I think he gets an offer from MLSE even if they bust out in the 1st round. Short term if it's 1 round, multi-years depending on how far they go. Guy took risks with goalies this year and proved himself right. He's taken a handful of risks and they have worked out. All GMs make mistakes and he has but they haven't been worth firing.

HOWEVER, with that said, plenty of GMs have built a winner and weren't there for the win. Burke took over in Anaheim and everyone associates that cup to Murray before him. So it wouldn't surprise me if Dubas got fired.

So do we all put a $100 on tb coming back against the cowboys for a nice little profit or nah?

- Atomic Wedgie

Lol

So lose in first round = very very very likely gone.

Get swept in second round = extension?

I guess I've just missed the part where 100% of coaches and managers in pro sports history who weren't extended ahead of time were ultimately fired.

Or also maybe it doesn't work like that, and every situation is unique. Time will tell I guess, we live in a world where Barry Trotz went though an entire playoffs and won a cup without an extension in hand and still didn't get it. Maybe he didn't prove himself. 🤷
- joel878

I believe you that you haven't drawn that conclusion yet. I never said 100% for the record. If those lame-duck managers and/or coaches over-came the hurtle(had greater success base on the owners standard), I bet they got extended. if not, they likely got let go. Look it up. You will see that most don't get extended.

A lame-duck coach or manager is at a distinct disadvantage to do their job(which is why it is rarely done). A coach can loose the players too easily if the players know the coaches job is on the line. A coach with term left on their contract has more credibility . Same goes for GM's. Every other GM in the league knows Dubas is under pressure and will try to exploit that. It is a poopy position to be in for either a coach or gm. Which is why owners don't do that if they are satisfied with them. So to wrap this up, MLSE is not totally convinced on Dubas going forward. What is the only thing they could be disappointed with? THE ONLY THING. Playoff success. So let's agree to disagree and move on. I very much hope the Leafs have some success this year in the playoffs and Dubas figures it out and gets extended. He has done many great things so far, except...sigh.

As I said earlier I think he gets an offer from MLSE even if they bust out in the 1st round. Short term if it's 1 round, multi-years depending on how far they go. Guy took risks with goalies this year and proved himself right. He's taken a handful of risks and they have worked out. All GMs make mistakes and he has but they haven't been worth firing.

HOWEVER, with that said, plenty of GMs have built a winner and weren't there for the win. Burke took over in Anaheim and everyone associates that cup to Murray before him. So it wouldn't surprise me if Dubas got fired.
- Aaron_85

I do like a lot of what Dubas has done this off-season. He seems to find little gems quite often. I was skeptical about the goalies at first but they have looked good(beside a few weeks where they both seem to suck). But again, my final judgment will be how they fair in the playoffs. If they poop the bed in the playoffs, Dubas will take all the heat.

If Dubas gets let go this offseason, I could totally see a new GM coming in and eventually winning a cup by making the right moves to finally put them over the top. Yes, much like Burkie did. He inherited a very good team, but also added the icing on the cake.

Time will tell. I hope it is with Dubas and he gets rewarded for it.

I believe you that you haven't drawn that conclusion yet. I never said 100% for the record. If those lame-duck managers and/or coaches over-came the hurtle(had greater success base on the owners standard), I bet they got extended. if not, they likely got let go. Look it up. You will see that most don't get extended.

A lame-duck coach or manager is at a distinct disadvantage to do their job(which is why it is rarely done). A coach can loose the players too easily if the players know the coaches job is on the line. A coach with term left on their contract has more credibility . Same goes for GM's. Every other GM in the league knows Dubas is under pressure and will try to exploit that. It is a poopy position to be in for either a coach or gm. Which is why owners don't do that if they are satisfied with them. So to wrap this up, MLSE is not totally convinced on Dubas going forward. What is the only thing they could be disappointed with? THE ONLY THING. Playoff success. So let's agree to disagree and move on. I very much hope the Leafs have some success this year in the playoffs and Dubas figures it out and gets extended. He has done many great things so far, except...sigh.
- rSole

Yes, agree to disagree. You'll have to forgive me for not buying the hype, I was in this place last year when it seemed like 75% of it was going off about how Dubas was done if he didn't get out of the first round of the playoffs. It didn't happen, it's lost its shine.

I believe the organization has a longer term vision beyond benchmarks like the second round and the timing of when to hand over an extension isn't the #1 priority.