Trading Rielly is the Kawhi trade for the leafs...change my mind
- senstroll

Dubas: can I trade you?

Rielly: no

Dubas: *sighs* ok

He tried one time to add Foligno..gritsy toughness.. failed miserably

Is there a player in the League like Shanny was? does that player even exist anymore? Sure BS was tough and fought, but he was also really good...#2 pick.

im not against adding some of that, i just dont see who. Also i dont think grit and toughness has much to do with losing in 7 games to TB. a Powerplay goal or 2 would have been nice
- senstroll

Maybe Matthew Tkachuk

Maybe Matthew Tkachuk
- RickJames77

Leafs could have tried to trade Marner for him I guess.

Leafs could have tried to trade Marner for him I guess.
- senstroll

Oh I thought it was just a general question.

But, yeah, you’d have to give up a bunch to get a player like that. Rare commodity.

Discount version might be Tom Wilson

Not sure grit and sandpaper would stop the 3 Brutal giveaways.

A battle of the titans that a few mistakes made the difference.
- AdamFrench

I think indirectly, yes it would. A lot of the Leafs mistakes and turnover are caused by aggressive forechecks and physical play from the other team.(and I am not necessarily just looking the last Boston game) This causes many of our players to play skittish and cough up pucks more regularly. The other teams come into the leafs zone with no fear of being hit. They stand in front of our net without any fear of being aggressively moved. It creates a mindset. They play fearless, leafs play scared(or at least skittish). Confidence is contagious. Bravery is contagious. Heart is contagious.

Leafs at the moment have zero players that can grab this team by the balls and get them going. Think Clark, Tucker, Roberts, Gilmour. Even Domi had that effect on the team. Everyone played 6 feet taller knowing there was few that will stand-up and pushback if need. We don't need knuckle-draggers on the 4th line. We need actually players that have skill and toughness. They are not easy to find, but Dubas(who I actually like in most regards) has done nothing to acquire those types over his tenure and will eventually be his demise as the Leafs GM(Unless he corrects that in the next 6 weeks)

Skill along never wins in the playoffs. Leaf fans know this better than anybody. We had teams in the 90's that were way less talented that were successful in the playoffs because of their determination to win. How many times did we knock of the much more talented Ottawa Senators? Every year they kicked ass in the regular season and the lower seeded Leafs would "Will" their way to victory. This current team is lacking that.

Wait, we didn’t play Carolina?
- RickJames77

Paper tigers.



YA I SAID IT BINGO.

Trading Rielly is the Kawhi trade for the leafs...change my mind
- senstroll

*looks up oft injured defenders on the market*


So Rielly for Chychrun?

*looks up oft injured defenders on the market*


So Rielly for Chychrun?
- AdamFrench

Sorry, no

I’m already working on a Rielly for B Tkachuk deal

Oh I thought it was just a general question.

But, yeah, you’d have to give up a bunch to get a player like that. Rare commodity.

Discount version might be Tom Wilson
- RickJames77

im getting sucked into this again

after a loss, its the same over and over.

…..the Leafs are missing a key cog!! Yeah do ya think! It’s the same every year! Hello! The Dubas build is flawed and it’s never going to change until Dubas gets his walking papers!

Some people say, well yeah but….this player was missing, or we gave up a bad goal or giveaway here or there or the refs were terrible. What they fail to realize is it’s the same thing every year! Doesn’t matter what they do, when the chips are on the table the other team always come up winners! The Montreal series is a perfect example. The Leafs had them by the throat and couldn’t finish! This makeup will never finish…..

Looking forward to another 1st round exit so we can finally get rid of Dubas.

Trading Rielly is the Kawhi trade for the leafs...change my mind
- senstroll

so the hope is that the other team in the finals is completely decimated by injuries?

*looks up oft injured defenders on the market*


So Rielly for Chychrun?
- AdamFrench

Rielly, 1st, Kerfoot, Roberston for M Kuchuck

so the hope is that the other team in the finals is completely decimated by injuries?
- drexel

I get what you are trying to do here, but reality is... id (frank)ing lose my mind in pure bliss if the leafs got the finals.


and yes, I would hope then that the other team is dead

My brother in law is a Bruins fan so these particular losses always get to me that much more

Good point with those last couple sentences as well Mike. The truest need the leafs might require isn’t so much a particular talent but more of a post season leadership. I mean that’s one of the biggest stings not having Muzzin is.
- Dozzer

Mike dropping the truth-bombs. The team is not built quite right still. Need some grit and sandpaper that can actually play in our top 6 forward group and/or our top 4 D-group.

If Dubas fails to address this before the trade-deadline he will be fired. Seems so obvious to everyone else in the hockey world. I'm surprised Shanahan hasn't forced his hand by now. He was that exact type of player in his career.

GLG.
- rSole

Agree with both of those statements.

Leafs are stacked with "top tier" talent. That's good except the continual Cap constraints but even still they don't need the "expensive" type players. The Leafs still need complimentary types for LW and D that are more "tough, hardworking" and "don't take nights off" type playoff players.

I go back to this: (secretly hopes Dubas pulls off these moves)

Bunting, Matthews, Nylander
Domi, Tavares, Marner
Kerfoot/Knies*, Kampf, Jarnkrok
Hunt/Kerfoot, Holmberg, ZAR

*only if Knies is ready, and you could swap him and Domi and Bunting all around on LW 1, 2, 3 to see what clicks best.

Having Domi's toughness and versatility will do wonders in the playoffs, never mind the "make Dad proud" energy he would bring to the Leafs.

Gio, Brodie
Rielly, Schenn
Sandin, Lily
Benn, Timmins

All the "Rielly sucks defensively" comments aren't totally untrue. He needs a solid defensive partner that doesn't roam around much and Schenn is exactly that guy...with serious toughness that is really needed back there. Timmins won't work yet because he's young and too new to the systems. Why (frank) him up? He's a project type player that could be really good for us with a little patience....not ready to pick up Rielly's baggage. Schenn is experienced on the ice and in Toronto and would be a perfect partner.

Put Gio back with Brodie and let them do what they've done before in Calgary.

Sandin/Lily are good together so leave them.

And then Timmins and Benn are depth so sub them in if someone is slacking or injured.

Trade pieces are Holl or Engvall or Kerfoot and prospects/picks. Neither Domi or Schenn should cost too much and have workable cap hits, so with Muzzin's LTIR the Leafs could probably keep all of them...but they're UFAs so Dubas can make some hard choices for a change...trade them for much needed picks/prospects.

Think Domi and Schenn vs Kucherov and his dirty poop.
Think Domi and Schenn vs Marchand and his dirty poop.
Think net front for Schenn.
Think of punishing the other team's D with Domi.

Just think about those two mixing it up against all the Richard head type players we complain about. The yummiest!

Domi, Bunting, ZAR, Jarnkrok, Hunt and Knies likes to hit, nice forward compliment to Tavares, Nylander, Marner, Matthews going forward.

Schenn, Benn, Gio, nice harder defensive compliments to Rielly, Brodie, Sandin, Lily going forward.

JMHO and makes all kinds of sense for the Leafs.


Edit: I agree with whomever mentioned Tom Wilson. He would be (frank)ing awesome with JT and Marner OR Matthews and Nylander. Would love him on the Leafs.

Rielly, 1st, Kerfoot, Roberston for M Kuchuck
- senstroll

I don’t think this would’ve done it. Florida’s package was better.

Not trying to give you a hard time.

Agree with both of those statements.

Leafs are stacked with "top tier" talent. That's good except the continual Cap constraints but even still they don't need the "expensive" type players. The Leafs still need complimentary types for LW and D that are more "tough, hardworking" and "don't take nights off" type playoff players.

I go back to this: (secretly hopes Dubas pulls off these moves)

Bunting, Matthews, Nylander
Domi, Tavares, Marner
Kerfoot/Knies*, Kampf, Jarnkrok
Hunt/Kerfoot, Holmberg, ZAR

*only if Knies is ready, and you could swap him and Domi and Bunting all around on LW 1, 2, 3 to see what clicks best.

Having Domi's toughness and versatility will do wonders in the playoffs, never mind the "make Dad proud" energy he would bring to the Leafs.

Gio, Brodie
Rielly, Schenn
Sandin, Lily
Benn, Timmins

All the "Rielly sucks defensively" comments aren't totally untrue. He needs a solid defensive partner that doesn't roam around much and Schenn is exactly that guy...with serious toughness that is really needed back there. Timmins won't work yet because he's young and too new to the systems. Why (frank) him up? He's a project type player that could be really good for us with a little patience....not ready to pick up Rielly's baggage. Schenn is experienced on the ice and in Toronto and would be a perfect partner.

Put Gio back with Brodie and let them do what they've done before in Calgary.

Sandin/Lily are good together so leave them.

And then Timmins and Benn are depth so sub them in if someone is slacking or injured.

Trade pieces are Holl or Engvall or Kerfoot and prospects/picks. Neither Domi or Schenn should cost too much and have workable cap hits, so with Muzzin's LTIR the Leafs could probably keep all of them...but they're UFAs so Dubas can make some hard choices for a change...trade them for much needed picks/prospects.

Think Domi and Schenn vs Kucherov and his dirty poop.
Think Domi and Schenn vs Marchand and his dirty poop.
Think net front for Schenn.
Think of punishing the other team's D with Domi.

Just think about those two mixing it up against all the Richard head type players we complain about. The yummiest!

Domi, Bunting, ZAR, Jarnkrok, Hunt and Knies likes to hit, nice forward compliment to Tavares, Nylander, Marner, Matthews going forward.

Schenn, Benn, Gio, nice harder defensive compliments to Rielly, Brodie, Sandin, Lily going forward.

JMHO and makes all kinds of sense for the Leafs.
- underhill14

losing top PK defender in Holl seems risky

Second game of a back to back and third game in 4 nights and it was anybody’s game until the end. No shame in losing that one.
- shack67

Excuses! That’s 6 years of excuses! What’s your excuse going to be in the spring when they lose again, which they will, because they have zero grit that can also play. Like another poster said, they play scared, and that causes turnovers etc.

I don’t think this would’ve done it. Florida’s package was better.

Not trying to give you a hard time.
- RickJames77

ah yes ...Rielly, 1st, Kerfoot, Roberston and a 4th ....for M Kuchuck

fixed

ah yes ...Rielly, 1st, Kerfoot, Roberston and a 4th ....for M Kuchuck

fixed
- senstroll

Well played

Agree with both of those statements.

Leafs are stacked with "top tier" talent. That's good except the continual Cap constraints but even still they don't need the "expensive" type players. The Leafs still need complimentary types for LW and D that are more "tough, hardworking" and "don't take nights off" type playoff players.

I go back to this: (secretly hopes Dubas pulls off these moves)

Bunting, Matthews, Nylander
Domi, Tavares, Marner
Kerfoot/Knies*, Kampf, Jarnkrok
Hunt/Kerfoot, Holmberg, ZAR

*only if Knies is ready, and you could swap him and Domi and Bunting all around on LW 1, 2, 3 to see what clicks best.

Having Domi's toughness and versatility will do wonders in the playoffs, never mind the "make Dad proud" energy he would bring to the Leafs.

Gio, Brodie
Rielly, Schenn
Sandin, Lily
Benn, Timmins

All the "Rielly sucks defensively" comments aren't totally untrue. He needs a solid defensive partner that doesn't roam around much and Schenn is exactly that guy...with serious toughness that is really needed back there. Timmins won't work yet because he's young and too new to the systems. Why (frank) him up? He's a project type player that could be really good for us with a little patience....not ready to pick up Rielly's baggage. Schenn is experienced on the ice and in Toronto and would be a perfect partner.

Put Gio back with Brodie and let them do what they've done before in Calgary.

Sandin/Lily are good together so leave them.

And then Timmins and Benn are depth so sub them in if someone is slacking or injured.

Trade pieces are Holl or Engvall or Kerfoot and prospects/picks. Neither Domi or Schenn should cost too much and have workable cap hits, so with Muzzin's LTIR the Leafs could probably keep all of them...but they're UFAs so Dubas can make some hard choices for a change...trade them for much needed picks/prospects.

Think Domi and Schenn vs Kucherov and his dirty poop.
Think Domi and Schenn vs Marchand and his dirty poop.
Think net front for Schenn.
Think of punishing the other team's D with Domi.

Just think about those two mixing it up against all the Richard head type players we complain about. The yummiest!

Domi, Bunting, ZAR, Jarnkrok, Hunt and Knies likes to hit, nice forward compliment to Tavares, Nylander, Marner, Matthews going forward.

Schenn, Benn, Gio, nice harder defensive compliments to Rielly, Brodie, Sandin, Lily going forward.

JMHO and makes all kinds of sense for the Leafs.


Edit: I agree with whomever mentioned Tom Wilson. He would be (frank)ing awesome with JT and Marner OR Matthews and Nylander. Would love him on the Leafs.
- underhill14

All I see is the red light and them looking up in sadness for not being able to cover their man.

…..the Leafs are missing a key cog!! Yeah do ya think! It’s the same every year! Hello! The Dubas build is flawed and it’s never going to change until Dubas gets his walking papers!

Some people say, well yeah but….this player was missing, or we gave up a bad goal or giveaway here or there or the refs were terrible. What they fail to realize is it’s the same thing every year! Doesn’t matter what they do, when the chips are on the table the other team always come up winners! The Montreal series is a perfect example. The Leafs had them by the throat and couldn’t finish! This makeup will never finish…..

Looking forward to another 1st round exit so we can finally get rid of Dubas.
- Bullot

Yes because Colorado went into last year with ALL the pieces to win. They didn't trade for Lehkkonen or Manson. Nope. No way did they do that.

- RickJames77

Trading Rielly is the Kawhi trade for the leafs...change my mind
- senstroll

What if I agree with you?

Excuses! That’s 6 years of excuses! What’s your excuse going to be in the spring when they lose again, which they will, because they have zero grit that can also play. Like another poster said, they play scared, and that causes turnovers etc.
- Bullot

31 teams a year lose no matter how they are built. Easy to take those odds. Do you like the leafs or do you just like being right when they lose?

What if I agree with you?
- PatC80

have to check, but i dont think thats allowed