Yes, Sandin is obviously a concern but Chychrun would be an even bigger concern.

Why? Because you'd be bringing him in to play a much larger role at a much higher cap hit and giving up tremendous assets to do so.

If you're trading for Chychrun you better know wtf you're getting into.
- mjones242

Both are young, I am not worried about either.

Sandin is RFA with arb rights. He's playing behind Gio and Reilly. He won't be rewarded some massive contract if they went there. Again, I take Sandin in this case.
- Aaron_85

yeah, arb. He is getting paid what he is worth that year and if its a top 4 d he is getting paid.

cap should be up 10M at that point too. His contract is getting a big raise.

Except historically that isn't likely to happen so yes reason to believe it won't happen. Absolutely.

I am not saying you can't hope or give him a try but to say "yeah absolutely there's no downside to this" is factually incorrect.
- Aaron_85

What downside? Sign Knies at the end of his season which at the very latest is April 8. One upside is that you get your top prospect locked up. Get him into 3 games before the playoffs and put him on the roster.

If he’s blown your socks off in those 3 games, he can start. If not, he travels with the team and gets experience and maybe gets in if there’s an injury. Maybe he just needs more time practicing with the team and he gets in later but there’s no downside since there’s no limit to the size of your roster.

If you insist…..

Gurianov for Robertson

Motte for Steeves

Reimer for Engvall

Schenn for Mete and 4th
- mr.sir

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Ewww MOTTE I HATE THAT GUY!


I'm kidding and have no recollection of being opposed to him but maybe I had a few adult beverages one night and forgot?

As far as Optimus Reims coming back......
- Cush29

Can the Leafs afford Gurianov next contract? it's going be around $3.5M for his cap hit.

Both are young, I am not worried about either.
- Santo_44

Acquiring Chychrun means moving valuable assets. That worries me a great deal and I wonder if those assets might be better utilized in other ways.

If the Leafs do go after him, obviously Dubas agrees with your sentiment. 🤷

Just gonna leave this here:

https://twitter.com/pucka...tatus/1612263939332513794

I'm walking away.

I'm not even turning around to look back.

Abruzzese is not Knies. A nice prospect but he is not near the level of him...Abruzzese is a late 10-15 in the prospect rankings. Knies is a top prospect.


There are plenty of examples of GMs trusting NCAA players to come in and play well out of their last season. Not every one had the luxury of a playoff run like Greenway and Kreider.

Mcavoy came in and played 6 games top mins for the Bruins.

Hughes came in for 5 games at the end of the season and had 3 points but Nucks missed playoffs.

Caufield another NCA player who came in for a playoff run and did well, we witnessed it.

Jaden Schwartz, Blues missed playoffs.

This is just after a quick glance.
- Santo_44

You're moving the goal posts. I had said in my post that historically NCAA players don't come in and perform great because you said there's no reason to think Knies won't.

You asked for a name. I gave you one. You're now nitpicking to try to say "oh only these types of guys I'm talking about!"

Don't move goal posts when you've been proven wrong

Acquiring Chychrun means moving valuable assets. That worries me a great deal and I wonder if those assets might be better utilized in other ways.

If the Leafs do go after him, obviously Dubas agrees with your sentiment. 🤷
- mjones242

There is risk in every trade.

UFA's if they don't sign

players with term that don't live up to their contract

a 24 year old who has some bad luck with injuries is further down on my list.

yeah, arb. He is getting paid what he is worth that year and if its a top 4 d he is getting paid.

cap should be up 10M at that point too. His contract is getting a big raise.
- Santo_44

He needs to perform as a top 4 with Rielly and Gio ahead in minutes in both years I don't see it. At best he gets a Chrychrun contract that he has today. He isn't getting 6+ million.

I'm saying: truculence!!!
- mjones242

Ok. Thought you were saying you know, you couldn’t teach him cause he was big. You hear that saying all the time and it’s degrading. You can’t teach big.

Can I still tend the rabbits, George? I didn’t mean no harm. I like rabbits.

You're moving the goal posts. I had said in my post that historically NCAA players don't come in and perform great because you said there's no reason to think Knies won't.

You asked for a name. I gave you one. You're now nitpicking to try to say "oh only these types of guys I'm talking about!"

Don't move goal posts when you've been proven wrong
- Aaron_85

I am not nitpicking. I am using top end prospects as examples as Knies is one.

Not depth prospects that don't even sniff the top 100. You are the one that is nitpicking.

Just gonna leave this here:

https://twitter.com/pucka...tatus/1612263939332513794

I'm walking away.

I'm not even turning around to look back.
- Atomic Wedgie

good thing I don't have a headboard on my bed.

he he lol

There is risk in every trade.

UFA's if they don't sign

players with term that don't live up to their contract

a 24 year old who has some bad luck with injuries is further down on my list.
- Santo_44

Yes.

Yes.

Yes.

a 24 year old who has had some consistently bad luck with injuries is further down up on my list.

If you insist…..

Gurianov for Robertson

Motte for Steeves

Reimer for Engvall

Schenn for Mete and 4th
- mr.sir

Hrm.

I couldn't imagine Dallas trading Gurianov for Robertson. Yeah, they could pair up the brothers, but Gurianov might be having a poor season, but he's a 1st rounder that they have patiently stuck with and developed and while I could be mistaken, I think they believe in his promise.

Also he needs top-6 minutes to flourish, and he wouldn't get that here either. He'd be the same dud on Toronto that he is for Dallas this year. I'd rather stick with Nick and see he develops further into a solid 2LW option.

I know you've got a thing for Motte. To me he's a below average tweener who is overpaid for what he provides. We have a better version of him in ZAR, and our version is paid less. I'd also prefer not to deal with Ottawa.

I don't see why we'd get Reimer at all. We already have Samsonov and Murray. Someone would have to clear waivers. I get that you hate Engvall, but you might as well just waive him if you're simply desperate to get rid of him for nothing in return.

I'm wishy washy on Schenn. I'm not sure if he'd even make it into this lineup. I'd rather play everyone we have instead of him - Rielly, Brodie, Giordano, Sandin, Liljegren and Timmins - probably even Holl, to be honest. I don't know if he has the footspeed nor the clean first pass to be a fit in our defensive system - particularly not the rotational O-Zone presence that is called for from the D when playing with a top-6 group of forwards who will use the whole zone.

So far the only guy I think we should target and who I don't think would break the bank is Domi. He's basically got some of the grit of Tyler Motte with the hands and speed to play 2LW. That said, Domi has 9 points in 24 playoff games, so it's not like he's been a world beater when given the stage to perform on either. A lot of teams seem to stay away, but I've never heard that he's a locker room problem - so I don't know. I do remember him from when he was little rolling around Shoeless Joes at Yonge & Eglinton in his wheelies - basically unsupervised being a little poop - but it's hard to hold THAT against him!

Ok. Thought you were saying you know, you couldn’t teach him cause he was big. You hear that saying all the time and it’s degrading. You can’t teach big.

Can I still tend the rabbits, George? I didn’t mean no harm. I like rabbits.
- Canada Cup

While we're on the topic of truculence, is it more nature or more nurture? 🤔

Hrm.

I couldn't imagine Dallas trading Gurianov for Robertson. Yeah, they could pair up the brothers, but Gurianov might be having a poor season, but he's a 1st rounder that they have patiently stuck with and developed and while I could be mistaken, I think they believe in his promise.

Also he needs top-6 minutes to flourish, and he wouldn't get that here either. He'd be the same dud on Toronto that he is for Dallas this year. I'd rather stick with Nick and see he develops further into a solid 2LW option.

I know you've got a thing for Motte. To me he's a below average tweener who is overpaid for what he provides. We have a better version of him in ZAR, and our version is paid less. I'd also prefer not to deal with Ottawa.

I don't see why we'd get Reimer at all. We already have Samsonov and Murray. Someone would have to clear waivers. I get that you hate Engvall, but you might as well just waive him if you're simply desperate to get rid of him for nothing in return.

I'm wishy washy on Schenn. I'm not sure if he'd even make it into this lineup. I'd rather play everyone we have instead of him - Rielly, Brodie, Giordano, Sandin, Liljegren and Timmins - probably even Holl, to be honest. I don't know if he has the footspeed nor the clean first pass to be a fit in our defensive system - particularly not the rotational O-Zone presence that is called for from the D when playing with a top-6 group of forwards who will use the whole zone.

So far the only guy I think we should target and who I don't think would break the bank is Domi. He's basically got some of the grit of Tyler Motte with the hands and speed to play 2LW. That said, Domi has 9 points in 24 playoff games, so it's not like he's been a world beater when given the stage to perform on either. A lot of teams seem to stay away, but I've never heard that he's a locker room problem - so I don't know. I do remember him from when he was little rolling around Shoeless Joes at Yonge & Eglinton in his wheelies - basically unsupervised being a little poop - but it's hard to hold THAT against him!
- Monkeypunk

Mr Sir are you still sure it was me who was anti-Motte?

Acquiring Chychrun means moving valuable assets. That worries me a great deal and I wonder if those assets might be better utilized in other ways.

If the Leafs do go after him, obviously Dubas agrees with your sentiment. 🤷
- mjones242

Coyotes are asking for 2 firsts and having done a deal because they’re holding strong. I doubt Sandin and Robertson will cut it and Knies ain’t happening so maybe something like Sandin and Topi or Minten plus a $ guy on or side.

My problem is that I get the impression that Chychrun and Sandin and somewhat similar type players with Chychrun being x% better. Everyone can fill in they own view of how much better he is and how much Sandin can improve.

I’m just not sure that’s the move to make if we make a move on defence. That’s not what’s missing. What’s missing is the ghost of Muzzin, someone who can clear the front of the net. If you’re going to trade on D, get that guy.

Coyotes are asking for 2 firsts and having done a deal because they’re holding strong. I doubt Sandin and Robertson will cut it and Knies ain’t happening so maybe something like Sandin and Topi or Minten plus a $ guy on or side.

My problem is that I get the impression that Chychrun and Sandin and somewhat similar type players with Chychrun being x% better. Everyone can fill in they own view of how much better he is and how much Sandin can improve.

I’m just not sure that’s the move to make if we make a move on defence. That’s not what’s missing. What’s missing is the ghost of Muzzin, someone who can clear the front of the net. If you’re going to trade on D, get that guy.
- Canada Cup

I agree.

I am not nitpicking. I am using top end prospects as examples as Knies is one.

Not depth prospects that don't even sniff the top 100. You are the one that is nitpicking.
- Santo_44

Right you asked for one name. You didn't specify anything until after proven wrong. Therefore moved the goalposts.

BUT Fensore was a top pick for Carolina in 2019. Has he played?
Jay O'Brien is a first round pick in 2018 still playing college and not with the Flyers...

If these highly touted NCAA players were so good and can step in and help their team make the playoffs or perform in them I think they would have.

I can send you the link to the site with all the NCAA picks in the past 5 or so years and they just aren't as fail proof as you think. Highly touted or not.

Hrm.

I couldn't imagine Dallas trading Gurianov for Robertson. Yeah, they could pair up the brothers, but Gurianov might be having a poor season, but he's a 1st rounder that they have patiently stuck with and developed and while I could be mistaken, I think they believe in his promise.

Also he needs top-6 minutes to flourish, and he wouldn't get that here either. He'd be the same dud on Toronto that he is for Dallas this year. I'd rather stick with Nick and see he develops further into a solid 2LW option.

I know you've got a thing for Motte. To me he's a below average tweener who is overpaid for what he provides. We have a better version of him in ZAR, and our version is paid less. I'd also prefer not to deal with Ottawa.

I don't see why we'd get Reimer at all. We already have Samsonov and Murray. Someone would have to clear waivers. I get that you hate Engvall, but you might as well just waive him if you're simply desperate to get rid of him for nothing in return.

I'm wishy washy on Schenn. I'm not sure if he'd even make it into this lineup. I'd rather play everyone we have instead of him - Rielly, Brodie, Giordano, Sandin, Liljegren and Timmins - probably even Holl, to be honest. I don't know if he has the footspeed nor the clean first pass to be a fit in our defensive system - particularly not the rotational O-Zone presence that is called for from the D when playing with a top-6 group of forwards who will use the whole zone.

So far the only guy I think we should target and who I don't think would break the bank is Domi. He's basically got some of the grit of Tyler Motte with the hands and speed to play 2LW. That said, Domi has 9 points in 24 playoff games, so it's not like he's been a world beater when given the stage to perform on either. A lot of teams seem to stay away, but I've never heard that he's a locker room problem - so I don't know. I do remember him from when he was little rolling around Shoeless Joes at Yonge & Eglinton in his wheelies - basically unsupervised being a little poop - but it's hard to hold THAT against him!
- Monkeypunk

Wow, that’s quite a bit to unravel

I think Dallas would gladly make that trade🤷
Gurianov Tavares Marner

Motte is a clutch playoff performer who I watched for years on the Canucks (1.4m)
Correct, similar to ZAR

Last week… many here were saying we need goalie depth in case they both struggle again
Plus Cush 💙 Reimer 😊

I don’t hate 🦒 at all
He was great when paired with Mikheyev
We just will get outbid as UFA

Schenn would give us some additional toughness come playoffs, for little cost

Back to work now👍

Yes.

Yes.

Yes.

a 24 year old who has had some consistently bad luck with injuries is further down up on my list.
- mjones242

You basically described Connor Timmins

Wow, that’s quite a bit to unravel

I think Dallas would gladly make that trade🤷
Gurianov Tavares Marner

Motte is a clutch playoff performer who I watched for years on the Canucks (1.4m)
Correct, similar to ZAR

Last week… many here were saying we need goalie depth in case they both struggle again
Plus Cush 💙 Reimer 😊

I don’t hate 🦒 at all
He was great when paired with Mikheyev
We just will get outbid as UFA

Schenn would give us some additional toughness come playoffs, for little cost

Back to work now👍
- mr.sir

Cush does have a soft spot for Reimer but Cush also voluntarily lets people shoot pucks at him so what does that guy know?

Wait who am I? Where am I and how did I get here? Who are all you people?

As much as I do love me some Reim Time I wouldn't want to waive any of the 2 goalies we have to get him.

Hrm.

I couldn't imagine Dallas trading Gurianov for Robertson. Yeah, they could pair up the brothers, but Gurianov might be having a poor season, but he's a 1st rounder that they have patiently stuck with and developed and while I could be mistaken, I think they believe in his promise.

Also he needs top-6 minutes to flourish, and he wouldn't get that here either. He'd be the same dud on Toronto that he is for Dallas this year. I'd rather stick with Nick and see he develops further into a solid 2LW option.

I know you've got a thing for Motte. To me he's a below average tweener who is overpaid for what he provides. We have a better version of him in ZAR, and our version is paid less. I'd also prefer not to deal with Ottawa.

I don't see why we'd get Reimer at all. We already have Samsonov and Murray. Someone would have to clear waivers. I get that you hate Engvall, but you might as well just waive him if you're simply desperate to get rid of him for nothing in return.

I'm wishy washy on Schenn. I'm not sure if he'd even make it into this lineup. I'd rather play everyone we have instead of him - Rielly, Brodie, Giordano, Sandin, Liljegren and Timmins - probably even Holl, to be honest. I don't know if he has the footspeed nor the clean first pass to be a fit in our defensive system - particularly not the rotational O-Zone presence that is called for from the D when playing with a top-6 group of forwards who will use the whole zone.

So far the only guy I think we should target and who I don't think would break the bank is Domi. He's basically got some of the grit of Tyler Motte with the hands and speed to play 2LW. That said, Domi has 9 points in 24 playoff games, so it's not like he's been a world beater when given the stage to perform on either. A lot of teams seem to stay away, but I've never heard that he's a locker room problem - so I don't know. I do remember him from when he was little rolling around Shoeless Joes at Yonge & Eglinton in his wheelies - basically unsupervised being a little poop - but it's hard to hold THAT against him!
- Monkeypunk

Coyotes are asking for 2 firsts and having done a deal because they’re holding strong. I doubt Sandin and Robertson will cut it and Knies ain’t happening so maybe something like Sandin and Topi or Minten plus a $ guy on or side.

My problem is that I get the impression that Chychrun and Sandin and somewhat similar type players with Chychrun being x% better. Everyone can fill in they own view of how much better he is and how much Sandin can improve.

I’m just not sure that’s the move to make if we make a move on defence. That’s not what’s missing. What’s missing is the ghost of Muzzin, someone who can clear the front of the net. If you’re going to trade on D, get that guy.
- Canada Cup

The bottom line is that they're both injury prone and have holes in their defensive game. Neither of them fills what I think the Leafs actually need/desire: TJ Brodie 2.0.

Right you asked for one name. You didn't specify anything until after proven wrong. Therefore moved the goalposts.

BUT Fensore was a top pick for Carolina in 2019. Has he played?
Jay O'Brien is a first round pick in 2018 still playing college and not with the Flyers...

If these highly touted NCAA players were so good and can step in and help their team make the playoffs or perform in them I think they would have.

I can send you the link to the site with all the NCAA picks in the past 5 or so years and they just aren't as fail proof as you think. Highly touted or not.
- Aaron_85

All of this.