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TheSabresTaco
Buffalo Sabres
Location: For me. jack Eichel is bobby ryan….that's it. - Octavarium, NY
Joined: 05.05.2011

Jan 9 @ 11:24 AM ET
I wouldnt be too sure about "trying to win" , when dahlin was dangling around at #1.

Same goes for the ralph season. They waited long enough into the losing streak to fire him. Very tanky IMO

- Boss34


we'll never agree but I disagree especially 20-21
Lunaion
Joined: 05.23.2016

Jan 9 @ 11:25 AM ET
That's not circumvention because he was available to 31 teams. This goes off the premise that he'd be unclaimed.
- TheSabresTaco


Problem is that waivers don't take him off your roster, assigning him does. If he doesn't report, the league is not going to turn a blind eye.
ImThatGuy
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I AM MY OWN DAMN SOURCE!, NY
Joined: 11.04.2010

Jan 9 @ 11:25 AM ET
Yeah I really don't mind it tbh. They push future earnings down the road in exchange for control over where they start their careers.

Considering how hard it is to make it, and other factors that play into call ups and ice time, it's a nice option for players to have.

- Michael Ghofrani


It should be an all or none option, not an only NCAA rule.
TheSabresTaco
Buffalo Sabres
Location: For me. jack Eichel is bobby ryan….that's it. - Octavarium, NY
Joined: 05.05.2011

Jan 9 @ 11:27 AM ET
Problem is that waivers don't take him off your roster, assigning him does. If he doesn't report, the league is not going to turn a blind eye.
- Lunaion


I'm not exactly sure how that works. I feel like I've seen cases where teams put guys on waivers and still assign them to the NHL teams (outside of TDL paper moves).

I could be wrong.

It's not common because you want guys to play regardless of the league they're in. But for Craig it could be a rare circumstance.

Anyway, expect UPL to be demoted in a day or two.
lacaprup
Buffalo Sabres
Location: NY
Joined: 07.23.2006

Jan 9 @ 11:28 AM ET
I think Anderson will get all the "we should beat this team regardless of goaltending" games.

Philly, Chicago next week and then probably the Ducks on the 21st.

- Michael Ghofrani


There's no way Andy is going to overlook the Flyers. He's a consummate professional. I'm saying 8 - 2 tonight. Maybe Torts has a fit on the bench.
Tage x3
Skinner
Cozens x2
Tuch
Power (1st of the year)
Lunaion
Joined: 05.23.2016

Jan 9 @ 11:32 AM ET
It should be an all or none option, not an only NCAA rule.
- ImThatGuy


It isn't an NCAA only rule. It's just a commonly held belief.
TheSabresTaco
Buffalo Sabres
Location: For me. jack Eichel is bobby ryan….that's it. - Octavarium, NY
Joined: 05.05.2011

Jan 9 @ 11:32 AM ET
I can't wait to watch Risto tonight
Wanchuk
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 05.31.2019

Jan 9 @ 11:33 AM ET
Scott Wheeler's 2023 NHL Prospect Pool Rankings are coming out, starting today, one team each day. Will be interesting to see where the Sabres end up this season. They were first last season, but 4 of the top 5 players from last year are ineligible this season.


To be eligible for inclusion, a skater must:

Be under 23 years old. We know that by the time a player turns 23, he is largely done with the steep upward progression we see in prospects and will begin to plateau.

Not be a full-time NHL player. This is the arbitrary section of the criteria. Here, I trust my judgment for whether or not a rostered NHL player is still likely to bounce between levels more than I trust any pre-determined games played before the cutoff. Preference for inclusion as an NHL prospect is more likely to be given to teenagers than 22-year-olds.

Either be signed to an NHL contract or selected in the entry draft, without the expiration of either of those rights. Players who are signed to AHL contracts are not considered.


To be eligible for inclusion, a goalie must:

Be under 25 years old. This age criteria is more reflective of the typical goalie trajectory, allowing for the continued consideration of goalies who are very much still prospects.

Not currently be established as one of their NHL club’s two go-to options.
Boss34
Buffalo Sabres
Location: BUFFALO , NY
Joined: 12.03.2015

Jan 9 @ 11:33 AM ET
I can't wait to watch Risto tonight
- TheSabresTaco


Good post
Michael Ghofrani
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 01.14.2020

Jan 9 @ 11:34 AM ET
It isn't an NCAA only rule. It's just a commonly held belief.
- Lunaion



Is this option not technically available through every league? CHL players don't have to sign, they can go back into the draft or become free agents depending on age. Same with European draftees.

The reason you dont see it happen much in the CHL is because the first rounders typically get offered an ELC after their DY+1 and depending on their age, its not worth forgoing your ELC just to get redrafted at a lower number. And the lower end picks don't have a lot of options after they turn 20. As in, it doesn't make sense to turn down a guaranteed offer if you're a 6th rounder to bet everything on your DY+3 in juniors. Youd have to score like 130 pts to get serious consideration.
Buff36
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 10.13.2019

Jan 9 @ 11:35 AM ET
Big game tonight standings wise. Sabres can gain 2pts on the Islanders and Penguins and still have atleast a game in hand on both.
Boss34
Buffalo Sabres
Location: BUFFALO , NY
Joined: 12.03.2015

Jan 9 @ 11:36 AM ET
Anyone going to the Sabres game tonight?

Aside from out of towners, why not?
Stripes77
Referee
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Where ever Matt Ellis allows me to be, NY
Joined: 07.30.2012

Jan 9 @ 11:37 AM ET
Anderson gets the nod today
Buff36
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 10.13.2019

Jan 9 @ 11:37 AM ET
Is this option not technically available through every league? CHL players don't have to sign, they can go back into the draft or become free agents depending on age. Same with European draftees.

The reason you dont see it happen much in the CHL is because the first rounders typically get offered an ELC after their DY+1 and depending on their age, its not worth forgoing your ELC just to get redrafted at a lower number. And the lower end picks don't have a lot of options after they turn 20. As in, it doesn't make sense to turn down a guaranteed offer if you're a 6th rounder to bet everything on your DY+3 in juniors. Youd have to score like 130 pts to get serious consideration.

- Michael Ghofrani

Yeah, most have there own aspect of it
Boss34
Buffalo Sabres
Location: BUFFALO , NY
Joined: 12.03.2015

Jan 9 @ 11:39 AM ET
we'll never agree but I disagree especially 20-21
- TheSabresTaco


We're never gonna agree, but I felt it was important to respond. I disagree, still. 😉

Hiring ralph reminds me of the dolphins coach interview where they asked if he was ok losing to pick early.

Hey ralph, dahlin is young and we aren't gonna win with him until he's 22 or so.
How about take 7 million to ruin him, skinner and everyone else that could lead to winning....
Lunaion
Joined: 05.23.2016

Jan 9 @ 11:39 AM ET
Is this option not technically available through every league? CHL players don't have to sign, they can go back into the draft or become free agents depending on age. Same with European draftees.

The reason you dont see it happen much in the CHL is because the first rounders typically get offered an ELC after their DY+1 and depending on their age, its not worth forgoing your ELC just to get redrafted at a lower number. And the lower end picks don't have a lot of options after they turn 20. As in, it doesn't make sense to turn down a guaranteed offer if you're a 6th rounder to bet everything on your DY+3 in juniors. Youd have to score like 130 pts to get serious consideration.

- Michael Ghofrani


Most, not the Russians and probably some other smaller leagues.

I don't know who Viljami Marjala is, but if the Sabres loose his rights this summer, will anyone even notice?
Stripes77
Referee
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Where ever Matt Ellis allows me to be, NY
Joined: 07.30.2012

Jan 9 @ 11:41 AM ET
Anyone going to the Sabres game tonight?

Aside from out of towners, why not?

- Boss34


I remember 05/06, my buddies and I used to go up to ticket sales 30 minutes before puck drop and then later in the season you couldn't get tickets.

This team is giving me those vibes
SabresFaninIndiana
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Bananaville, IN
Joined: 12.16.2009

Jan 9 @ 11:42 AM ET
I can't wait to watch Risto tonight
- TheSabresTaco

will you have a stiffy?
Lunaion
Joined: 05.23.2016

Jan 9 @ 11:43 AM ET
I'm not exactly sure how that works. I feel like I've seen cases where teams put guys on waivers and still assign them to the NHL teams (outside of TDL paper moves).

I could be wrong.

It's not common because you want guys to play regardless of the league they're in. But for Craig it could be a rare circumstance.

Anyway, expect UPL to be demoted in a day or two.

- TheSabresTaco


Might be murky waters for a bit, but the minute you want him to play a game, you'd run into problems....I think.
QuinnFan
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Formerly Visionville, Now Purgatory
Joined: 07.29.2021

Jan 9 @ 11:44 AM ET
I can't wait to watch Risto tonight
- TheSabresTaco


I forget sometimes there's more coming in that trade. If the season ended today, for that 2nd, we'd pick like 39th or 40th...which is basically a 1st I'm told.

+Rosen
+Karlsson, who is almost ppg in the J20, got a look on the big club this year
TheSabresTaco
Buffalo Sabres
Location: For me. jack Eichel is bobby ryan….that's it. - Octavarium, NY
Joined: 05.05.2011

Jan 9 @ 11:44 AM ET
We're never gonna agree, but I felt it was important to respond. I disagree, still. 😉

Hiring ralph reminds me of the dolphins coach interview where they asked if he was ok losing to pick early.

Hey ralph, dahlin is young and we aren't gonna win with him until he's 22 or so.
How about take 7 million to ruin him, skinner and everyone else that could lead to winning....

- Boss34


Then Pegula and Kyvyn were staging the phone call with Taylor Hall.
SabresFaninIndiana
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Bananaville, IN
Joined: 12.16.2009

Jan 9 @ 11:44 AM ET
I remember 05/06, my buddies and I used to go up to ticket sales 30 minutes before puck drop and then later in the season you couldn't get tickets.

This team is giving me those vibes

- Stripes77

is UPL the new Miller
kingcong39
Buffalo Sabres
Location: albany, NY
Joined: 02.21.2007

Jan 9 @ 11:45 AM ET
What’s the site that Does contract projections?

I was hoping for 6.5x5 and make everyone happy for a few years, plus give Cozens a chance for another large contract.

- ImThatGuy


Only wanting to buy one UFA season is something...
TheSabresTaco
Buffalo Sabres
Location: For me. jack Eichel is bobby ryan….that's it. - Octavarium, NY
Joined: 05.05.2011

Jan 9 @ 11:45 AM ET
I forget sometimes there's more coming in that trade. If the season ended today, for that 2nd, we'd pick like 39th or 40th...which is basically a 1st I'm told.
- QuinnFan


Which is going to be the Sabres 2nd pair Dman in 2026.
SabresFaninIndiana
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Bananaville, IN
Joined: 12.16.2009

Jan 9 @ 11:45 AM ET
Which is going to be the Sabres 2nd pair Dman in 2026.
- TheSabresTaco

lets not rush him already
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