According to Elliotte Friedman the Senators have called about the price and availability of Seth Jones
- GPHawksfan

LOL- Ottawa has under $2 million in space. Maybe we retain 50% and take back Zaitsev? Ottawa can pair Jones with Chabot or Jones could anchor the 2nd pairing?

Cannot see it happening. Jones has more value on the team at full salary, than any scrubs/compensation we would get with him and 50% retained for eternity.

Will Caleb be included in the package?

We can only hope. Doubt if he waives his NMC to go to a Canadian team.
- boilermaker100

Stan gave Jones a NMC on top of all that money and term? Makes you wonder if Stan knew his days were numbered and he wanted to screw the organization on the way out the door.

LOL- Ottawa has under $2 million in space. Maybe we retain 50% and take back Zaitsev? Ottawa can pair Jones with Chabot or Jones could anchor the 2nd pairing?

Cannot see it happening. Jones has more value on the team at full salary, than any scrubs/compensation we would get with him and 50% retained for eternity.
- Revco38

Maybe Friedman meant Connor Murphy. Makes more sense. He's a decent 3-4. As crappy as this team is, Murphy is a respectable -3. McCabe amazingly is +2.

S. Jones is -21 and he missed a bunch of games. J. Johnson is a -19. Both are liabilities defensively like Ovechkin taking the puck from Johnson to score 800 or all the times Jones is caught up ice.

According to Elliotte Friedman the Senators have called about the price and availability of Seth Jones
- GPHawksfan

Elbows is licking his chops right about now, but I just don’t see Jones going to Ottawa. Also, I can’t see Rocky retaining for another seven years or however long his contract goes.

Maybe Friedman meant Connor Murphy. Makes more sense. He's a decent 3-4. As crappy as this team is, Murphy is a respectable -3. McCabe amazingly is +2.

S. Jones is -21 and he missed a bunch of games. J. Johnson is a -19. Both are liabilities defensively like Ovechkin taking the puck from Johnson to score 800 or all the times Jones is caught up ice.
- Popsghostly

Not trying to defend the Seth or Jack, but how much of their poor ratings are because the forwards are out of position, or cherry picking, or not backchecking, or flying the zone too soon, or crappy turnovers at either blueline?

I think there is plenty of blame to go around on this team without singling out a couple of players.

Remember, they were built to be bad and they are living up to it. It sucks to watch and I'm sure it's hell for the players to go through, but it is not at all unexpected. four straight games (or whatever it was) with shorthanded goals and their PP clicking at around 40% was never going to be sustainable.

Elbows is licking his chops right about now, but I just don’t see Jones going to Ottawa. Also, I can’t see Rocky retaining for another seven years or however long his contract goes.
- Angotti

If Seth Jones is traded this year, they are not going to be retaining any money. They may take some dogpoop back, but they won't be holding on to money for the next 7 years.

Will Caleb be included in the package?

We can only hope. Doubt if he waives his NMC to go to a Canadian team.
- boilermaker100

That's what i said too, but the two or three posters on here that apparently know everything said he would.

LOL- Ottawa has under $2 million in space. Maybe we retain 50% and take back Zaitsev? Ottawa can pair Jones with Chabot or Jones could anchor the 2nd pairing?

Cannot see it happening. Jones has more value on the team at full salary, than any scrubs/compensation we would get with him and 50% retained for eternity.
- Revco38

They obviously wouldn't retain salary. No smart person would expect that. Sending back salary is the option.

Trust me I know what happened. It didn´t prevent drafting Russian players in the first round last summer. Michkov is probably best talent from Russia after Ovie and Malkin. It would be huge risk not draft him just because this situation.
- MjulQvist

Been saying for awhile now where Michkov gets drafted, same with goalie Hrabal, interests me most about the 2023 draft. Have to agree with the accolades being thrown the Russians way but man a scary thought to use a top 3, 4 or 5 pick on a player you can't be certain will come to the NHL in a draft that's not only deep but great chance that all the way down to the 10th pick might be a difference maker. ....... Guess it depends on your risk tolerance as an organIzation.

Any thoughts on Lea Carlsson?

If Seth Jones is traded this year, they are not going to be retaining any money. They may take some dogpoop back, but they won't be holding on to money for the next 7 years.
- Chunk

THIS. Jesus why can't people think of anything other than retaining salary? It's not happening on an 8 year contract

Maybe Friedman meant Connor Murphy. Makes more sense. He's a decent 3-4. As crappy as this team is, Murphy is a respectable -3. McCabe amazingly is +2.

S. Jones is -21 and he missed a bunch of games. J. Johnson is a -19. Both are liabilities defensively like Ovechkin taking the puck from Johnson to score 800 or all the times Jones is caught up ice.
- Popsghostly

Part of the bad +/- is due to the team not able to score goals. On a team that can score goals, those #'s would not look so bad.

I've got two counters here Rain. First, Lapointe was signed two years before they drafted Toews, and traded in the middle of the 07-08 season.

Second, what leadership did he bring? He was on SC winning teams, but what does that actually bring? Three SC winning Blackhawks were sent to the Thrashers the offseason after they won and not much came out of it. Would you consider Buff, or Sopel, or Eager leaders that other guys would or should listen to?

I don't really see anyone (vets) on the Hawks from 07-09 that really would move the needle much if at all in terms of leadership. You have Lapointe, Havlat, Lang, Craig Adams, Perrault? Maybe Aucoin helping get Seabrook and Keith ready?

I think the good teams find good players and get them to play as a unit on the ice. We have very little knowledge regarding what these players do or say behind closed doors or in locker rooms, so how would any of us know who is or isn't a good leader?

Murphy has been highly regarded for his leadership qualities in the past. S. Jones was tabbed by Torts as a guy who would be captain once it was available in CBUS.

What is your definition and how do you know who a good leader would be?
- Chunk

I am 90% sure Adams was brought in by Uncle Dale due to wining a cup. Same reason they traded Ruutu for Ladd. It matters in that room. Guys who have been through the wars, etc to help offer insight.

Coaching with yawney was more so for keith/Seabrook than Aucoin.

Teams fall in love with that "cup winner" on a resume and overpay it for in UFA. Not saying I agree with it....but I wouldn't be shocked to see Hawks do it at some point.

What leadership has Murphy offered to flip it back to you? Are they better because of him? Has he helped groom any younger D men? Think we both know that answer...would LOVE to see them sell as high as they can on that guy come deadline. Pretty good deal pay wise/cap hit wise moving forward for a team looking for a bottom line #4 with a cup chance.

If Seth Jones is traded this year, they are not going to be retaining any money. They may take some dogpoop back, but they won't be holding on to money for the next 7 years.
- Chunk

100%....I don't see how that would make sense.

Be fascinating to see how this would work out. This isn't an E4 were are talking about here....legitimate hockey insider. Plus, Jones wasn't traded for under Davidson so not "his guy"

Elbows is licking his chops right about now, but I just don’t see Jones going to Ottawa. Also, I can’t see Rocky retaining for another seven years or however long his contract goes.
- Angotti

The other question is getting to the floor for a rebuilding team. Take away Jones, Kane, Toews LT deals.....

THIS. Jesus why can't people think of anything other than retaining salary? It's not happening on an 8 year contract
- GPHawksfan

Because the return would be useless and Ottawa does not have the financial flexibility even with players coming back to Chicago, to absorb $9.5 million. They have Stutzle making $8+ million next years (up from $900k), and need to room to Sign DCat and Pinto (they have $57 tied up in 13 players next year w/out Pinto and Dcat +$5 in dead cap space $6 million w/13 players). Remove Zaitsev (in trade) add Jones, they are at $67 and 13 players. They could let Dcat walk, but that looks like a step back for them. Say he signs a contract similar to Stutzle- that is $75 million at 14 players. Pinto signs a bridge at $3 million, so we are at $78 and 15 players, and only 1 goalie (Forsberg). Cap goes up $2 million, and they have $6 million to sign 1 goalie and at least 5 players. Could work, but a lot of ifs and uncertainties in their. Cap probably goes up $1 not $2 million, Cat will probably want at least his QO (which will be $9 million). Reality is they will have closer to $4million in space with 15 players signed. Ouch!

Just do not see it without salary retention. But weirder things have happened.

I am 90% sure Adams was brought in by Uncle Dale due to wining a cup. Same reason they traded Ruutu for Ladd. It matters in that room. Guys who have been through the wars, etc to help offer insight.

Coaching with yawney was more so for keith/Seabrook than Aucoin.

Teams fall in love with that "cup winner" on a resume and overpay it for in UFA. Not saying I agree with it....but I wouldn't be shocked to see Hawks do it at some point.

What leadership has Murphy offered to flip it back to you? Are they better because of him? Has he helped groom any younger D men? Think we both know that answer...would LOVE to see them sell as high as they can on that guy come deadline. Pretty good deal pay wise/cap hit wise moving forward for a team looking for a bottom line #4 with a cup chance.
- SteveRain

Again, not trying to sound like a wiener, but what did he (Adams) actually do outside of play not even half the games?

Just having a cup winner from another team doesn't really accomplish much. The addition of Hossa (a non-cup winner up to that point) did more for the Hawks than any other acquisition.

Re Murphy: All I am going off of is past reports that he is a really good teammate and sets a good example as being a strong professional and will go the extra mile to help out. Outside of that, we have no idea if or how much he has helped other players. That is why I asked what is your criteria for saying someone is a good leader?

At least the Hills are alive. The UC sounded dead tonight.
- powerenforcer

I had friends say they think the blaring music at the uc needs to be lowered. That the level was high, that everybody conversations became elevated and that they had trouble with the general noisiness.

Been saying for awhile now where Michkov gets drafted, same with goalie Hrabal, interests me most about the 2023 draft. Have to agree with the accolades being thrown the Russians way but man a scary thought to use a top 3, 4 or 5 pick on a player you can't be certain will come to the NHL in a draft that's not only deep but great chance that all the way down to the 10th pick might be a difference maker. ....... Guess it depends on your risk tolerance as an organIzation.

Any thoughts on Lea Carlsson?
- Mr Ricochet

He ads to get better in. his stop/starst and quick turns, but he is is so fast to the middle in the attack zone, with terrific hands and he is already a superior stickhandler and this isn't a small kid who rumbles in the attack and is trouble to handle.

Again, not trying to sound like a wiener, but what did he (Adams) actually do outside of play not even half the games?

Just having a cup winner from another team doesn't really accomplish much. The addition of Hossa (a non-cup winner up to that point) did more for the Hawks than any other acquisition.

Re Murphy: All I am going off of is past reports that he is a really good teammate and sets a good example as being a strong professional and will go the extra mile to help out. Outside of that, we have no idea if or how much he has helped other players. That is why I asked what is your criteria for saying someone is a good leader?
- Chunk

Those cup winning guys help change a culture. That's it. Again, I am not saying I believe it any more than you do, but how often do we see these guys dealt at the deadline or signed in the offseason and teams who acquire them boast about their cup winning ways. Think the team that overpays for Toews either at the deadline and/or UFA won't be pimping that fact? Of course they will....just like Hawks did by signing John Madden.

For me.....a leader is a guy like Hossa. A guy who busts his tail as hard offensively as defensively and backs it up. Imagine being a fringe NHL Player and being told by X to do this or do that and then you watch and see player X making the same mistakes you do but doesn't get the wrath of the coach or his teammates.

I personally don't see any consistency in Murphy's game to warrant wearing a letter outside of his willingness to talk to the press and again...finger nails down a blackboard listening to him because it's all talk. A. Have we seen this guy EVER raise his game when the team needed it to halt a streak B. Do his teammates respond to him when he does these state of the union addresses? Just because guys talk doesn't make them a leader.

Just my opinion....I was told Murphy was going to be some great prodigy when he got here because he was captain of the US JV team at the Worlds......sure he's a great guy, but as a hockey player? Hawks should sell before he's in the press box permanently due to concussion issues.

Those cup winning guys help change a culture. That's it. Again, I am not saying I believe it any more than you do, but how often do we see these guys dealt at the deadline or signed in the offseason and teams who acquire them boast about their cup winning ways. Think the team that overpays for Toews either at the deadline and/or UFA won't be pimping that fact? Of course they will....just like Hawks did by signing John Madden.

For me.....a leader is a guy like Hossa. A guy who busts his tail as hard offensively as defensively and backs it up. Imagine being a fringe NHL Player and being told by X to do this or do that and then you watch and see player X making the same mistakes you do but doesn't get the wrath of the coach or his teammates.

I personally don't see any consistency in Murphy's game to warrant wearing a letter outside of his willingness to talk to the press and again...finger nails down a blackboard listening to him because it's all talk. A. Have we seen this guy EVER raise his game when the team needed it to halt a streak B. Do his teammates respond to him when he does these state of the union addresses? Just because guys talk doesn't make them a leader.

Just my opinion....I was told Murphy was going to be some great prodigy when he got here because he was captain of the US JV team at the Worlds......sure he's a great guy, but as a hockey player? Hawks should sell before he's in the press box permanently due to concussion issues.
- SteveRain

I would just add that GOOD cup winning guys change a culture. Sopel, Eager, and Buff, didn't change much at all in ATL/WIN. The fact that teams pay for cup winners doesn't really lend much credence (IMO) to how effective they are at changing culture. The actual results do.

BTW - I'm all for trading Murphy. Probably for different reasons, but yeah, him McCabe, anything that isn't nailed down.

Kind of off topic, but I'm hoping that since they called up Phillips, and Tinordi is out that they sit C. Jones and play Mitchell and Phillips together. It would be interesting to see two young guys who have familiarity show it on the ice.

I would just add that GOOD cup winning guys change a culture. Sopel, Eager, and Buff, didn't change much at all in ATL/WIN. The fact that teams pay for cup winners doesn't really lend much credence (IMO) to how effective they are at changing culture. The actual results do.

BTW - I'm all for trading Murphy. Probably for different reasons, but yeah, him McCabe, anything that isn't nailed down.

Kind of off topic, but I'm hoping that since they called up Phillips, and Tinordi is out that they sit C. Jones and play Mitchell and Phillips together. It would be interesting to see two young guys who have familiarity show it on the ice.
- Chunk

Agreed to all. Again, not saying I am believer in the "cup winner" mantra but just realizes it exists.

Would love to see Caleb launched. Man is he bad. Play the kids.

Agreed to all. Again, not saying I am believer in the "cup winner" mantra but just realizes it exists.

Would love to see Caleb launched. Man is he bad. Play the kids.
- SteveRain

As bad as he is, they've got to keep playing him. Just another body on a bad team is all, let the kids develop since we are in it for the long haul

Its difficult for any team to accept the fact they just need to grind and play 1-0, 2-1, 3-2 games, Blackhawks players are getting frustrated and before you know it a ton of odd man breaks with time the other way.

Where we are at, if Seth Jones gets traded great, if he doesn't great, it doesn't really matter for now.

Avs and Leafs made a huge trade today

I would say that If Kane and Toews waive to be traded, KD will find a way to get it done. It is obviously much more complex, but KD has already moved guys out who needed/wanted a change of scenery to places that they preferred to go (Barratt to PHI, and Beaudin to MTL). He also took a perceived "lesser" deal for ADB, so we'll see how it goes.
- Chunk

I was thinking after the 'cat was relocated for less than we thought they would be getting a prospect along with that pick, and I am not gonna start saying newbie GM got fleeced, because YOU HAVE to HAVE a market, competing for Kane.
If they eat half of his CAP deal and get Patrick Kane a bonafide difference maker, you cannot expect the Blackhawks not to expect give more than one of their 2 ones, but also a very decent prospect and I bet the Hawks would want a salary that hasn't started over Kakko's 3rd year at 2.1, or Chytl at 2.3 but I would not think twice before taking on Alexis Lafrenière's RFA and paying him a nice bridge deal, because he seem very much the real deal.
All these kids have learned a lot with that team core, so maybe all are better candidates than Raddysh is.

I just think Brennan Othmann seems like more a fit long term, but take as much as you can get, find another bidder too.