To give you a better idea of my defintion of "physical" --- both Panarin and Tolvanen played 75 games last year. Breadman had 2 more penalty mins!
- TommyGTrain

I didnt realize the amount of minutes you sit in the penalty box is the ultimate determination of how physical you are.

Miller and Kreider both had 24 PIMs, they must be pillow feathers.

I didnt realize the amount of minutes you sit in the penalty box is the ultimate determination of how physical you are.

Miller and Kreider both had 24 PIMs, they must be pillow feathers.
- aecliptic

Not pillow feathers, but the complaint for both of them ( particularly Kreider ) is that he hasn't been nearly as "physical" since he injured Price. Trouba is definitely the more "physical" player in the Miller pairing.
This is my opinion, of course you are free to disagree...

Not pillow feathers, but the complaint for both of them ( particularly Kreider ) is that he hasn't been nearly as "physical" since he injured Price. Trouba is definitely the more "physical" player in the Miller pairing.
This is my opinion, of course you are free to disagree...
- TommyGTrain

I wholeheartedly disagree, because things you call physical are many times retaliatory and end up costing the team. Then you have a page on this board moaning and groaning about the "stupid" the penalties -x- person takes but you want to call that physical. Ok.

But… that’s not… nevermind
- picklerick

You're learning, Rick.

Busy weekend. Odd game. They didn't deserve to win it. Happy they did. Shesterkin was great. He's rounding back in to form. Goodrow continues to both find ways on the score sheet and to kill the 5 on 5 play of line 2. Schneider continuing to make me look like an idiot, not hard to to do. Makar is elite but a giant baby. Hope they win tonight.

Lets see:

He is average size, a poor defender, not physical at all and $1.4 + mill contract thru next year.
Other than being a countryman to Kakko, why would we want him??
- TommyGTrain

Poor defender you say? Don't think so.

Poor defender you say? Don't think so.


- tomburton99

Yeah it must be me. He was a first round pick drafted because of a beautiful scoring shot. He developed into a physical Selke candidate but got put on waivers. You guys need to stop looking at CHARTS and start using your EYES!

Yeah it must be me. He was a first round pick drafted because of a beautiful scoring shot. He developed into a physical Selke candidate but got put on waivers. You guys need to stop looking at CHARTS and start using your EYES!
- TommyGTrain

Holy pivot by you, eh? Nobody mentioned his scoring. In your ogianal argument you said he didn't defend well. He does. Now you mention his lack of scoring. (Whispers... has more goals in the last two years a Predator than Sammy Blais as Ranger for the same amount of money and is younger.)

Tolvanen looks to be the right kind of player to take a chance on. Can't they just put him through waivers again if he doesn't work out?

Tolvanen looks to be the right kind of player to take a chance on. Can't they just put him through waivers again if he doesn't work out?
- JRR1285

Yes. Tolvanen has 8 more goals than Sammy Blais in 14 career less games. Tolvanen is 2.5 years younger and doesn't have a bad knee. I see no issue with this potential claim as it's a clear upgrade.

Holy pivot by you, eh? Nobody mentioned his scoring. In your ogianal argument you said he didn't defend well. He does. Now you mention his lack of scoring. (Whispers... has more goals in the last two years a Predator than Sammy Blais as Ranger for the same amount of money and is younger.)
- tomburton99

Not a pivot at all. READ what I wrote! He is IMO, a poor defender. You put up a fancy chart showing he plays good defense. I trust my eyes over your chart. Thats all.
Sammy Blais ( other than being a target by our fan base ) has NOTHING to do with this.

Not a pivot at all. READ what I wrote! He is IMO, a poor defender. You put up a fancy chart showing he plays good defense. I trust my eyes over your chart. Thats all.
Sammy Blais ( other than being a target by our fan base ) has NOTHING to do with this.
- TommyGTrain

He does because it could make him expendable

Not a pivot at all. READ what I wrote! He is IMO, a poor defender. You put up a fancy chart showing he plays good defense. I trust my eyes over your chart. Thats all.
Sammy Blais ( other than being a target by our fan base ) has NOTHING to do with this.
- TommyGTrain

It is a pivot.. This is what you originally wrote on Tolvanen.

Lets see:

He is average size, a poor defender, not physical at all and $1.4 + mill contract thru next year.
Other than being a countryman to Kakko, why would we want him??
- TommyGTrain

How'd this age? Poorly. Took 12 hours for it be completely wrong.

Not a pivot at all. READ what I wrote! He is IMO, a poor defender. You put up a fancy chart showing he plays good defense. I trust my eyes over your chart. Thats all.
Sammy Blais ( other than being a target by our fan base ) has NOTHING to do with this.
- TommyGTrain

How about now?

Edit: That's Sammy Blais's time with the Blues. He's regressed since.

Tolvanen looks to be the right kind of player to take a chance on. Can't they just put him through waivers again if he doesn't work out?
- JRR1285

We have $1.6 mill in cap space. That will mostly disappear if we claim him and get awarded him off waivers. Yes, we can simply put him back on waivers, but if nobody claims him, most of his contract will still count against our cap. This will greatly restrict our flexibility at the trade deadline.

We have $1.6 mill in cap space. That will mostly disappear if we claim him and get awarded him off waivers. Yes, we can simply put him back on waivers, but if nobody claims him, most of his contract will still count against our cap. This will greatly restrict our flexibility at the trade deadline.
- TommyGTrain

I thought he was at a salary level where he could be fully buried in the minors? I admittedly don't know/remember some of those rules etc.

We have $1.6 mill in cap space. That will mostly disappear if we claim him and get awarded him off waivers. Yes, we can simply put him back on waivers, but if nobody claims him, most of his contract will still count against our cap. This will greatly restrict our flexibility at the trade deadline.
- TommyGTrain

Rangers have 2.4 million in cap space.

https://www.capfriendly.com/

I thought he was at a salary level where he could be fully buried in the minors? I admittedly don't know/remember some of those rules etc.
- JRR1285

You can bury 1 million of it in the minors. The Rangers would have to carry 600k if he goes down and is unclaimed again.

How about now?

Edit: That's Sammy Blais's time with the Blues. He's regressed since.
- tomburton99

He's regressed since a MAJOR injury, one that I would argue he hasn't fully recovered from. Charts don't show that, my eyes tell me that.

You can bury 1 million of it in the minors. The Rangers would have to carry 600k if he goes down and is unclaimed again.
- tomburton99

Gotcha, 600k is still meaningful so can reduce flexibility going forward.

He's regressed since a MAJOR injury, one that I would argue he hasn't fully recovered from. Charts don't show that, my eyes tell me that.
- TommyGTrain

This is such a weird hill to die on

Rangers have 2.4 million in cap space.

https://www.capfriendly.com/


- tomburton99

Yes, I used the projected cap space instead of the actual cap space ---- you win!

He's regressed since a MAJOR injury, one that I would argue he hasn't fully recovered from. Charts don't show that, my eyes tell me that.
- TommyGTrain

Tolvanrn: younger, better defender and has more goals. Blais, older, bad knee, and not scoring. Let's see what would make the Rangers better.



Hmmm, thinking... thinking.... It's Tolvaven.

This is such a weird hill to die on
- picklerick

The ole eye test, even though Hockey has never been more data driven than it is right now. (Gigantic pivot to boot.) Master class by the old age hockey fan.

This is such a weird hill to die on
- picklerick

Well not really. There is a huge portion of fan bases everywhere that simply just look at these charts and draw conclusions based on data. I like to use my eyes to form my own opinions. Sometimes my opinions don't match up with these silly charts.