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Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Jan 15 @ 2:34 PM ET
I really do believe it and am a little shocked you don't believe it. Pearson and Higgins are very comparable players in my opinion, and Ballard we had to use one of the buyouts that don't count against the cap.

Higgins and Pearson played a very similar style.

- VANTEL



I think Higgins was a better skating version of Pearson, but other than that I agree. Both good at cycling the puck but not really creative with the puck, but give a good effort at both ends of the ice.
VanHockeyGuy
Location: “Who are we to think we’re anybody?” - Tocchet. Penticton, BC
Joined: 04.26.2012

Jan 15 @ 2:35 PM ET
Linden definitely deserved blame, but if it went down as most of think it did, I respect him more than the other 2. He could've easily accepted his role as a yes man and collected another few million from FA
- Nucker101


Like Rutherford is right now.
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Jan 15 @ 2:35 PM ET
Linden definitely deserved blame, but if it went down as most of think it did, I respect him more than the other 2. He could've easily accepted his role as a yes man and collected another few million from FA
- Nucker101


I put myself in Bennings shoes and would ask myself if I want to give up my million-dollar job to fight someone elses fight.

At the end of the day there are many employees who don't like their boss but continue to make a salary under them.


VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Jan 15 @ 2:36 PM ET
I think Higgins was a better skating version of Pearson, but other than that I agree. Both good at cycling the puck but not really creative with the puck, but give a good effort at both ends of the ice.
- Nucker101

Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Jan 15 @ 2:37 PM ET
I put myself in Bennings shoes and would ask myself if I want to give up my million-dollar job to fight someone elses fight.

At the end of the day there are many employees who don't like their boss but continue to make a salary under them.

- VANTEL



I don't blame Benning, he's more of a scout that got put in a position way over his head, I blame the guy who hired him(Linden and FA both get blame here, but FA more so since he employed him for so long) and the media who kept making excuses for him and pushing the narrative that the fans won't accept a rebuild, aka being FA's female doges
LeftCoaster
Location: Valley Of The Sun
Joined: 07.03.2009

Jan 15 @ 2:38 PM ET
Well there you have it then.




The owner deserves this mess

- Nucker101

The owner is the one constant in the continual mess that is the Vancouver Canucks.
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Jan 15 @ 2:39 PM ET
The owner is the one constant in the continual mess that is the Vancouver Canucks.
- LeftCoaster



He could've possibly salvaged the situation had he fired JB before the OEL trade and brought in a good Prez/GM. That trade was really the cherry on top of the poop sundae
LeftCoaster
Location: Valley Of The Sun
Joined: 07.03.2009

Jan 15 @ 2:41 PM ET
I think Higgins was a better skating version of Pearson, but other than that I agree. Both good at cycling the puck but not really creative with the puck, but give a good effort at both ends of the ice.
- Nucker101

Different time periods, Higgins was a great complementary player that, in part, turned the Canucks into a very good team. Yeah they’re similar type players but that’s irrelevant when analyzing trades.

Adding Higgins was hugely successful for the team, adding Pearson was largely meaningless. Especially when you look back at the trade tree and what they gave up to acquire Pearson. Gillis gave up Evan Oberg to acquire Higgins.
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Jan 15 @ 2:42 PM ET
Lol. Alright, I'll throw it on my Google calendar next to Podkolzin in the top 6.
- Load Management


You really twist this Podkolzen things and again you are wrong about almost everything.

I said he is really good on puck retrieval, has a surprising shot, good passing, will probably score 8 goals in his first year 25 points and will play second line ahead of Jake Virtanen and Loui Eriksson. What part of this was not true?

You then said he will be a third liner and I said good that means Canucks would have better forwards than.

I don't think I could have given a more accurate scouting report.
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Jan 15 @ 2:45 PM ET
I don't blame Benning, he's more of a scout that got put in a position way over his head, I blame the guy who hired him(Linden and FA both get blame here, but FA more so since he employed him for so long) and the media who kept making excuses for him and pushing the narrative that the fans won't accept a rebuild, aka being FA's female doges
- Nucker101


What could go wrong?

FA hires a first time President
Linden hires a first time GM
Benning hires a first time coach


Quinn's Quest
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 08.08.2022

Jan 15 @ 2:46 PM ET
As I mentioned a couple years back, when I had a chance to talk with Gino, most of the alumni were pissed about the way they handled the Linden situation. It was definitely behind the back, bs, between a snake owner and a snake gm.
Sounded like Linden was about to fire Benning, but was overruled.

- Reubenkincade


Wow if that is true then it explains a lot. This kind of meddling is precisely the reason why the Canucks are stuck.

It’s as if FA is trying to replay the Sedin era of winning. He wasn’t around for all the building and drafting.

You’d think JR has enough clout to tell FA what needs to be done. Like just sit back and wait for the cake to bake.
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Jan 15 @ 2:47 PM ET
Different time periods, Higgins was a great complementary player that, in part, turned the Canucks into a very good team. Yeah they’re similar type players but that’s irrelevant when analyzing trades.

Adding Higgins was hugely successful for the team, adding Pearson was largely meaningless. Especially when you look back at the trade tree and what they gave up to acquire Pearson. Gillis gave up Evan Oberg to acquire Higgins.

- LeftCoaster


No doubt.
LeftCoaster
Location: Valley Of The Sun
Joined: 07.03.2009

Jan 15 @ 2:47 PM ET
Wow if that is true then it explains a lot. This kind of meddling is precisely the reason why the Canucks are stuck.

It’s as if FA is trying to replay the Sedin era of winning. He wasn’t around for all the building and drafting.

You’d think JR has enough clout to tell FA what needs to be done. Like just sit back and wait for the cake to bake.

- Quinn's Quest

It’ll be interesting to see how things play out with Rutherford.
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Jan 15 @ 2:49 PM ET
Wow if that is true then it explains a lot. This kind of meddling is precisely the reason why the Canucks are stuck.

It’s as if FA is trying to replay the Sedin era of winning. He wasn’t around for all the building and drafting.

You’d think JR has enough clout to tell FA what needs to be done. Like just sit back and wait for the cake to bake.

- Quinn's Quest



I think FA told JR what he wanted when he hired him, and JR said I can do that, so to go back to FA a year later and say "sorry I can't do what I promised" is hard to do.

I'm sure what JR has said to FA is that we'll admit defeat on this year(likely convinced FA that lot of this is Bruce's fault) and that playoffs are back on the menu next season. But deep down he now knows this team is (frank)ed and stuck in no-man's land which is why he'll retire soon enough.
VanHockeyGuy
Location: “Who are we to think we’re anybody?” - Tocchet. Penticton, BC
Joined: 04.26.2012

Jan 15 @ 2:49 PM ET
It’ll be interesting to see how things play out with Rutherford.
- LeftCoaster


Despite what he says, he won't finish his contract. I give him a year.
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Jan 15 @ 2:50 PM ET
Despite what he says, he won't finish his contract. I give him a year.
- VanHockeyGuy

I agree. People forget that he walked away from Pittsburgh too and that situation was a hell of a lot better than this one and much closer to his home in Carolina
Load Management
Season Ticket Holder
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Billings Spit, BC
Joined: 09.22.2019

Jan 15 @ 2:50 PM ET
You really twist this Podkolzen things and again you are wrong about almost everything.

I said he is really good on puck retrieval, has a surprising shot, good passing, will probably score 8 goals in his first year 25 points and will play second line ahead of Jake Virtanen and Loui Eriksson. What part of this was not true?

You then said he will be a third liner and I said good that means Canucks would have better forwards than.

I don't think I could have given a more accurate scouting report.

- VANTEL


I don't think either one of us predicted top 6 in Abby though, so technically you are just as wrong.
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Jan 15 @ 2:53 PM ET
I don't think either one of us predicted top 6 in Abby though, so technically you are just as wrong.
- Load Management




The funny thing for me is that I disliked the pick, but Pod has surpassed my low expectations, I still view him as a solid 3rd line winger once his game matures. I was worried he'd flat out bust like Virtanen, but he's a million time more dedicated to his profession which should serve him well. I do think his hockey sense is a bit limited so he just needs to keep his game simple and straightforward.
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Jan 15 @ 2:56 PM ET
Different time periods, Higgins was a great complementary player that, in part, turned the Canucks into a very good team. Yeah they’re similar type players but that’s irrelevant when analyzing trades.

Adding Higgins was hugely successful for the team, adding Pearson was largely meaningless. Especially when you look back at the trade tree and what they gave up to acquire Pearson. Gillis gave up Evan Oberg to acquire Higgins.

- LeftCoaster

Higgins 62 g 142 pts in six years as a Canuck 314 games
Pearson 55 g 114 pts in five years including this one, 221 games.

Seems pretty similar to me. Infact I would think Pearson produces more.
Marwood
Location: Cumberland, BC
Joined: 03.18.2010

Jan 15 @ 2:57 PM ET
It’ll be interesting to see how things play out with Rutherford.
- LeftCoaster

I'm pretty sure he has dementia.
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Jan 15 @ 2:58 PM ET
I'm pretty sure he has dementia.
- Marwood

Marwood
Location: Cumberland, BC
Joined: 03.18.2010

Jan 15 @ 2:59 PM ET

- Nucker101

Quinn's Quest
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 08.08.2022

Jan 15 @ 3:00 PM ET
It’ll be interesting to see how things play out with Rutherford.
- LeftCoaster


So far he seems upset about coaching. Happy with extending JTM and looking for a trade haul in Horvat.

You’d think he just task his GM on scouting for the rebuild. As well as, working the phones to put deals together. Then have final say on pulling the trigger.
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Jan 15 @ 3:00 PM ET
I don't think either one of us predicted top 6 in Abby though, so technically you are just as wrong.
- Load Management


Did you predict Bo as top six in Utica?

I am glad he is in Abbottsford, and away from this gong show. Nice to see Canucks finally developing a prospect properly and not rushing him.




VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Jan 15 @ 3:03 PM ET
I agree. People forget that he walked away from Pittsburgh too and that situation was a hell of a lot better than this one and much closer to his home in Carolina
- Nucker101



Was it a walk away or if you don't leave you will be fired?
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