There’s a difference between potential shady dealings and people being convicted of fraud
- Canada Cup

not to mention pederasts and other accusations through leaf history

yet here we are still supporting the Toronto Maple Leafs

100% disagree. A salary cap - in some form - is important to provide a semblance of parity to the league.
- mjones242

You could do it but it would be a vet use different looking league. You’d either have to contract to a smaller number of more or less financially equivalent teams or move to revenue sharing on steroids. One problem for hockey is that revenue is very ticket driven rather than big broadcast deals which lend themselves to having the $ split among the teams.

Anyway, we’re not moving away from the corporate welfare model where the Leafs will always pay more into the kitty. But better to be a rich team.

100% disagree. A salary cap - in some form - is important to provide a semblance of parity to the league.
- mjones242

i disagree

i don’t want parity in the league

i want the big 5 along with doughty, wilson, poon jenner, ov8, sidney, burns, mcjesus, and parayko to win a cup for our leafs for the next 10 years

I always hoped he would sell the team to Marge Schott, because at least it would be a little better.
- Atomic Wedgie

You could do it but it would be a vet use different looking league. You’d either have to contract to a smaller number of more or less financially equivalent teams or move to revenue sharing on steroids. One problem for hockey is that revenue is very ticket driven rather than big broadcast deals which lend themselves to having the $ split among the teams.

Anyway, we’re not moving away from the corporate welfare model where the Leafs will always pay more into the kitty. But better to be a rich team.
- Canada Cup

It's way more complicated than you are making it out to be. First of all of the major sports, lets say MLB, NBA, NFL and NHL (no slight to other team sports intended) only the NHL has a hard cap. The NFL claims to have a hard cap, however, since most (not all) NFL contracts are not guaranteed like NHL contracts, teams can dispose of players not earning their keep. Unlike the NFL contracts, the NHL contract buyouts come with severe penalties that last the duration of the contract. This gives rise to one of the forms of cap circumvention, where a useless player (carrying a cap hit) can be traded to allow the signing team to remain cap compliant. The NBA and MLB have soft caps, where a luxury tax is imposed on teams going over the cap. It is a much better system.

i disagree

i don’t want parity in the league

i want the big 5 along with doughty, wilson, poon jenner, ov8, sidney, burns, mcjesus, and parayko to win a cup for our leafs for the next 10 years
- Skalapy

It's way more complicated than you are making it out to be. First of all of the major sports, lets say MLB, NBA, NFL and NHL (no slight to other team sports intended) only the NHL has a hard cap. The NFL claims to have a hard cap, however, since most (not all) NFL contracts are not guaranteed like NHL contracts, teams can dispose of players not earning their keep. Unlike the NFL contracts, the NHL contract buyouts come with severe penalties that last the duration of the contract. This gives rise to one of the forms of cap circumvention, where a useless player (carrying a cap hit) can be traded to allow the signing team to remain cap compliant. The NBA and MLB have soft caps, where a luxury tax is imposed on teams going over the cap. It is a much better system.
- winsix

They have pros and cons to each system. NFL also has a franchise tag to help them retain players too. I don't try to claim that one is better than the other for each respective league.

I will say if the leafs had a luxury tax only, we'd be the yankees lol.

Leagues aren't competitive without a salary cap. It's not even a sport if you don't have them.
- Zezel

You just described all of European football.

And I 100% agree.

They have pros and cons to each system. NFL also has a franchise tag to help them retain players too. I don't try to claim that one is better than the other for each respective league.

I will say if the leafs had a luxury tax only, we'd be the yankees lol.
- Aaron_85

this has been a nice distraction👍

thank you all😍👍🏿

can someone explain to me why I’m rooting for the habs over sj?🤦🏿‍♂️

I disagree. A salary cap is an out for incompetent management. Leafs paying welfare checks to Tampa when Tampa won the cup and was $20M over the cap during the playoffs is laughable. While the cap in theory might promote parity, in reality it does nothing of the sort in the NHL. It also promotes a cheating mentality, where the majority of teams are fixated on ways to circumvent the cap without any repercussions.
- winsix

I’m on my cell right now, but I’m 99% certain the Bolts haven’t received NHL welfare cheques in years.

It's way more complicated than you are making it out to be. First of all of the major sports, lets say MLB, NBA, NFL and NHL (no slight to other team sports intended) only the NHL has a hard cap. The NFL claims to have a hard cap, however, since most (not all) NFL contracts are not guaranteed like NHL contracts, teams can dispose of players not earning their keep. Unlike the NFL contracts, the NHL contract buyouts come with severe penalties that last the duration of the contract. This gives rise to one of the forms of cap circumvention, where a useless player (carrying a cap hit) can be traded to allow the signing team to remain cap compliant. The NBA and MLB have soft caps, where a luxury tax is imposed on teams going over the cap. It is a much better system.
- winsix

I would argue that a luxury tax is the way to go, because leagues benefit when big market teams do well.

Yankees fans love the Yankees.

And small market fans love to hate the Yankees.

Passion means more viewers.

If the Jays hire Don Mattingly for the coaching staff, will he have to shave his sideburns?

Make it so teams have 2 salary CAP's.

One for home grown players drafted by the team and guys who's first pro contracts. The other for free agents. Make the home grown player CAP higher, so as to promote players to hopefully stay with the team.

Or, make it so players drafted by the team don't count against the CAP.

Boom. Easy. The NHL should pay me for these incredible ideas.

I stopped watching baseball because it was lame that the payrolls were so lopsided. I'm glad hockey has a cap so it's a relatively level playing field.

I’m on my cell right now, but I’m 99% certain the Bolts haven’t received NHL welfare cheques in years.
- Atomic Wedgie

https://www.forbes.com/te...ightning/?sh=5a51e1f03385

According to Forbes, Tampa lost $50M when they won the cup (net of transfer payments) Pretty sure they went to the feeding trough and let teams pay for their spending beyond their means.

Kypreos isn't exactly the most liquid-cooled 440 ski-doo on Lake Scucog if you know what I mean. His insight into Matthews' future is worth less than a pine cone.
- Zezel

Going back a litte while here. The first of the big machines.

I stopped watching baseball because it was lame that the payrolls were so lopsided. I'm glad hockey has a cap so it's a relatively level playing field.
- Zezel

Before the cap the only free agents we could get were the over the hill gang. The best free agents used us to drive their salary up and then sign somewhere else.

Canadian teams are on pretty much every no trade list so why would they sign here in a no cap era.

I stopped watching baseball because it was lame that the payrolls were so lopsided. I'm glad hockey has a cap so it's a relatively level playing field.
- Zezel

As evidenced - by Arizona, the cap can't help a team be competent or competetive. From an operational perspective, they are a disaster, financially they are a disaster. By contrast, Seattle (without the extraordinary help that Vegas got from the NHL) is well run both financially and operationally. Crying for handouts from the NHL hiding behind a small market team handle is bullpoop. Sell tickets, sell your team, develop your market and hire competent management to handle hockey operations. The hard cap with contract penalties sucks.

Make it so teams have 2 salary CAP's.

One for home grown players drafted by the team and guys who's first pro contracts. The other for free agents. Make the home grown player CAP higher, so as to promote players to hopefully stay with the team.

Or, make it so players drafted by the team don't count against the CAP.

Boom. Easy. The NHL should pay me for these incredible ideas.
- GreatGigInTheSky

I want to say Gord Miller is a media member hoping for new rules to the cap because it actually penalizes teams that draft and develop well. Look at Chicago. They had to dump good players because of the cap.

when he turns 35
- dmnted

but McDonagh is already 33yrs old
- Symba007

he was barely 20 when you bunch of crazies decided you give him up for free

i disagree

i don’t want parity in the league

i want the big 5 along with doughty, wilson, poon jenner, ov8, sidney, burns, mcjesus, and parayko to win a cup for our leafs for the next 10 years
- Skalapy

dats fair

Make it so teams have 2 salary CAP's.

One for home grown players drafted by the team and guys who's first pro contracts. The other for free agents. Make the home grown player CAP higher, so as to promote players to hopefully stay with the team.

Or, make it so players drafted by the team don't count against the CAP.

Boom. Easy. The NHL should pay me for these incredible ideas.
- GreatGigInTheSky

Proud to know you, Gigsy. You're a true brainiac

It's way more complicated than you are making it out to be. First of all of the major sports, lets say MLB, NBA, NFL and NHL (no slight to other team sports intended) only the NHL has a hard cap. The NFL claims to have a hard cap, however, since most (not all) NFL contracts are not guaranteed like NHL contracts, teams can dispose of players not earning their keep. Unlike the NFL contracts, the NHL contract buyouts come with severe penalties that last the duration of the contract. This gives rise to one of the forms of cap circumvention, where a useless player (carrying a cap hit) can be traded to allow the signing team to remain cap compliant. The NBA and MLB have soft caps, where a luxury tax is imposed on teams going over the cap. It is a much better system.
- winsix

Lol. It’s way more complicated than any of us are making it out to be and I wasn’t trying to give a definitive answer on how the system in the NHL compares, yada, yada yada.

The question was simply whether or not you could have something close to parity without a cap and my answer was yes, in theory, if you limited the league to teams with roughly equivalent financial capacity or if you had a very aggressive revenue sharing system in place.

The rest of the stuff in your post wasn’t really relevant to the point I was making since I was talking about a theoretical league

As evidenced - by Arizona, the cap can't help a team be competent or competetive. From an operational perspective, they are a disaster, financially they are a disaster. By contrast, Seattle (without the extraordinary help that Vegas got from the NHL) is well run both financially and operationally. Crying for handouts from the NHL hiding behind a small market team handle is bullpoop. Sell tickets, sell your team, develop your market and hire competent management to handle hockey operations. The hard cap with contract penalties sucks.
- winsix

It can't help every team be competitive or successful, but it can stop teams from being able to spend drastically more money on payroll than other teams which goes to basic sporting fairness.