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Hokeeguy9
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bethlehem, PA
Joined: 06.25.2012

Nov 29 @ 1:36 PM ET
This isn't a workplace. It's a message board. The issue is that you can find a name. The obvious choices are candidates from outside successful organizations. Which is what everyone is going to name. The question is are those candidates available. Would Carolina let Tulsky leave. Would TB let Darche leave? Would they want to come to a train wreck of an organization where they likely would not have autonomy? These are all questions that fans can't answer. I also don't think an opinion that Fletcher should be fired needs to be justified by a suggestion of a successor.
- MJL


I didn’t say he SHOULD be fired, although there are some compelling moves to justify it. I merely asked the question “if he was, who would you try and replace him with”. It was and is a legit question, as I didn’t have any answers.
Your put forth some interesting questions, that I was provoking. If choice A is available. Would they be interested, level of independence, etc.
I’m not sure why it’s not a legit question. Others chimed in with some interesting replacements. I’ts better than so and so sucks.
While I admit I agree with a lot of what you put forth, your method of delivery is usually argumentative and abrasive. I get it. Some people need to be slingshotted, but this was not the case.
Remember this point: The art of diplomacy is telling someone to go to hell, and have them look forward to the trip.
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Nov 29 @ 1:36 PM ET
Nope. Not all! It’s just that for all the fire Fletcher talk, I never see a legit replacement name with it.
So I asked. I had a mentor long ago who said “if you have a female dog or gripe, you better come in with what you believe to be a solution. Otherwise it’s female doging for female dogings sake, and negative, so get out.”

And for anyone who has names, are they available at the time you’d replace Fletch.

I’m just curious, as I couldn’t think of any.

To those that offered up options, thanks.

- Hokeeguy9

Any potential GM candidate worth his weight would love to come to the Flyers right now, simply because there is no place to go but up. I think a good GM who knows the league and has the relationships in place could come in with a plan and turn this franchise around quickly, especially if the dufas Fletcher does the right thing this year and tanks to get into the top 3 of the draft. A good GM would sell every veteran and younger player not named Hart and not in the future plans, for picks in this year and next year's draft. Then the Flyers will be set up to contend in a few years with the right leadership. That is why I am favor of someone like Stacy Roest from Tampa.
furio16
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Moscow, ID
Joined: 06.07.2007

Nov 29 @ 1:36 PM ET
And get what back? No it wouldn’t be a smart move.
- SuperSchennBros
Yes it would be a smart move. He is a free agent after the 2025 season. He has value across the league.

1. You think this sad sack franchise will be a legit contender by then?

2. You want to sign him to an 8 year more money than Sanheim ext at that time? This assumes he wants to re-sign. Though why wouldn't he as he seems to have accepted the country club mantra.

The answer is no to both.
Minnyhock
Minnesota Wild
Joined: 06.26.2021

Nov 29 @ 1:40 PM ET
Ok guys,

I read this blog everyday, but rarely post. That being said, I have a legit question: Since it is a well established opinion of this board, that Felch needs to go, and sooner rather than later, who would you replace him with? And when?

- Hokeeguy9


Briere is the probable safe in house choice that won’t appease anyone. Paul Fenton followed Fletcher in Minnesota and would probably be available since he’s been working as an advisor to Bill Zito.

He did a few good things in his 14 months with the Wild. Fenton traded for Fiala, signed Zuccarello and Hartman and drafted Boldy.

On the minus side, he got hosed trading away Niederreiter and Coyle. He didn’t seem to have a coherent vision going forward.

Fenton has serious action bias and a disdain for analytics. He has some similarities to Fletcher. That would be something management would be comfortable with. I don’t envision any of the highly desired or innovative GMs coming over unless they have a free hand to blow everything up.


jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Nov 29 @ 1:41 PM ET

Exactly this. I think we've all been waiting for the Briere promotion, Fletcher to full blown president move. I'm wondering if this losing streak hastens that. I also thought it was interesting how much Tortorella pumped Briere's tires in the press conference yesterday. Maybe he knows that it's coming.

- TobyFlenderson

Good point! I was thinking the same thing when I heard Torts mention Briere. I just don't think Briere is ready, he needs more time as an assistant GM and a GM of a minor league team. If you promote him now to the role and move Fletcher to president, I think it would be clear that Fletcher would still be calling the shots.
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Nov 29 @ 1:42 PM ET
Yes it would be a smart move. He is a free agent after the 2025 season. He has value across the league.

1. You think this sad sack franchise will be a legit contender by then?

2. You want to sign him to an 8 year more money than Sanheim ext at that time? This assumes he wants to re-sign. Though why wouldn't he as he seems to have accepted the country club mantra.

The answer is no to both.

- furio16

Well it’s 2022, so I’m not sure why you’re worried about 2025.

Again, for what?
iamscore2day
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Alexandria, VA
Joined: 03.23.2021

Nov 29 @ 1:44 PM ET
To choose a toilet seat vs anything else that goes up and down was a bit telling to how torts feels.
- konalover711


Is it ever. Wow. If that does not produce some real changes from Frost, it is time to move on. To all of the Frost doubters on this board who said he needed to step up, the coach has your back.
Minnyhock
Minnesota Wild
Joined: 06.26.2021

Nov 29 @ 1:53 PM ET
Today Ek says the Flyers are still in the mix for Chychrun. More to come…


MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Nov 29 @ 1:53 PM ET
I didn’t say he SHOULD be fired, although there are some compelling moves to justify it. I merely asked the question “if he was, who would you try and replace him with”. It was and is a legit question, as I didn’t have any answers.
Your put forth some interesting questions, that I was provoking. If choice A is available. Would they be interested, level of independence, etc.
I’m not sure why it’s not a legit question. Others chimed in with some interesting replacements. I’ts better than so and so sucks.
While I admit I agree with a lot of what you put forth, your method of delivery is usually argumentative and abrasive. I get it. Some people need to be slingshotted, but this was not the case.
Remember this point: The art of diplomacy is telling someone to go to hell, and have them look forward to the trip.

- Hokeeguy9


I didn't post or imply that you said he should be fired. I don't see it as a legit question because it's not a question that a fan can legitimately answer. Fine for conversation but I think the agenda, for lack of a better word was exposed. That you possibly didn't like calling for Fletcher to be fired without having a plan to replace him. The latter is not necessary to call for his firing. I don't think it was abrasive at all. I think it was matter of factly.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Nov 29 @ 1:54 PM ET
Is it ever. Wow. If that does not produce some real changes from Frost, it is time to move on. To all of the Frost doubters on this board who said he needed to step up, the coach has your back.
- iamscore2day


It's just one of the pet phrases from an old coach. They all have them.
furio16
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Moscow, ID
Joined: 06.07.2007

Nov 29 @ 1:56 PM ET
Well it’s 2022, so I’m not sure why you’re worried about 2025.

Again, for what?

- SuperSchennBros
It is called having a long term approach. Yet you didn't answer the question.

What good is it to have Ivan on this team in 2022? What does it accomplish?

2 turntables and a microphone.
Trox88
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 08.12.2020

Nov 29 @ 1:57 PM ET
Ok guys,

I read this blog everyday, but rarely post. That being said, I have a legit question: Since it is a well established opinion of this board, that Felch needs to go, and sooner rather than later, who would you replace him with? And when?

- Hokeeguy9


My answer is to have Fletcher fired by Christmas. Have the interview done by mid January. My choice right now would be Chris MacFarland. Pick from an organization that has actually won something. And hope it works out. I do think if they go winless on this homestand, Fletcher is gone sooner. Just a hunch.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Nov 29 @ 1:57 PM ET
Briere is the probable safe in house choice that won’t appease anyone. Paul Fenton followed Fletcher in Minnesota and would probably be available since he’s been working as an advisor to Bill Zito.

He did a few good things in his 14 months with the Wild. Fenton traded for Fiala, signed Zuccarello and Hartman and drafted Boldy.

On the minus side, he got hosed trading away Niederreiter and Coyle. He didn’t seem to have a coherent vision going forward.

Fenton has serious action bias and a disdain for analytics. He has some similarities to Fletcher. That would be something management would be comfortable with. I don’t envision any of the highly desired or innovative GMs coming over unless they have a free hand to blow everything up.

- Minnyhock



If your Tlusky or Darche and are set up as the heir apparent in a top franchise in the league. Why would you want to leave there to come to the dumpster fire that is the Flyers? Especially if you're coming in as the GM under Fletcher as the President of hockey ops. I wouldn't. I would remain patient and stay where I am. I would want no parts of the Flyers clown show.
furio16
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Moscow, ID
Joined: 06.07.2007

Nov 29 @ 1:57 PM ET
I didn't post or imply that you said he should be fired. I don't see it as a legit question because it's not a question that a fan can legitimately answer. Fine for conversation but I think the agenda, for lack of a better word was exposed. That you possibly didn't like calling for Fletcher to be fired without having a plan to replace him. The latter is not necessary to call for his firing. I don't think it was abrasive at all. I think it was matter of factly.
- MJL
It is not for you to decide what is a legit question. The posters can decide that.
furio16
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Moscow, ID
Joined: 06.07.2007

Nov 29 @ 2:07 PM ET
If your Tlusky or Darche and are set up as the heir apparent in a top franchise in the league. Why would you want to leave there to come to the dumpster fire that is the Flyers? Especially if you're coming in as the GM under Fletcher as the President of hockey ops. I wouldn't. I would remain patient and stay where I am. I would want no parts of the Flyers clown show.
- MJL
Depends how big their ego is and how confident they are in their abilities.
Hokeeguy9
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bethlehem, PA
Joined: 06.25.2012

Nov 29 @ 2:11 PM ET
If your Tlusky or Darche and are set up as the heir apparent in a top franchise in the league. Why would you want to leave there to come to the dumpster fire that is the Flyers? Especially if you're coming in as the GM under Fletcher as the President of hockey ops. I wouldn't. I would remain patient and stay where I am. I would want no parts of the Flyers clown show.
- MJL


Your point about possibly coming in UNDER Fletch is a good one. Unless the incoming GM has autonomy, it is a lateral move, which accomplishes nothing.
mikeyo27
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: NJ
Joined: 01.18.2014

Nov 29 @ 2:20 PM ET
One of the most messed up things is that Fletcher isn’t trying to tank. He really believes he built a good team. The signing of Torts, long term contracts for Sanheim and RR, trading away draft assets then signing TDA, and a 4 year (NTC) contract for ND, support this point. Shame of Dave Scott and Comcast if they continue to put up with his incompetence with an excuse that it’s the injury bug.
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Nov 29 @ 2:21 PM ET
If your Tlusky or Darche and are set up as the heir apparent in a top franchise in the league. Why would you want to leave there to come to the dumpster fire that is the Flyers? Especially if you're coming in as the GM under Fletcher as the President of hockey ops. I wouldn't. I would remain patient and stay where I am. I would want no parts of the Flyers clown show.
- MJL


For Tulsky, it's a question of coming home and taking his dream job.

He was a Flyers fan after all.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Nov 29 @ 2:22 PM ET
Your point about possibly coming in UNDER Fletch is a good one. Unless the incoming GM has autonomy, it is a lateral move, which accomplishes nothing.
- Hokeeguy9


I probably should have posted that asking for a replacement isn't a fair question rather than saying it's not a legit one. Basically, I think it's okay for a fan to give an opinion that a GM or a coach should be fired without having to name a replacement.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Nov 29 @ 2:23 PM ET
For Tulsky, it's a question of coming home and taking his dream job.

He was a Flyers fan after all.

- Tomahawk






You'd have to be heavily into drugs for the Flyers job to be your dream job.
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Nov 29 @ 2:26 PM ET
And he got fired for it as the CC committee turned on him.
- MBFlyerfan


There needs to be a firewall in place between Comcast/Alumni and hockey ops. Somebody in the mold of Shanny or Sakic who can establish a clear, foundational vision for the franchise and who's standing around the league is unimpeachable.

Somebody like Pronger. Maybe that's Danny B, who knows.

Then they can bring in a 21st century GM and let them run wild. Change everything about the way the team does things from top to bottom. And tank hard.
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Nov 29 @ 2:31 PM ET


You'd have to be heavily into drugs for the Flyers job to be your dream job.

- MJL


I don't see Tulsky as the type to shy away from a challenge.
THE BLACK HAND
Joined: 06.09.2021

Nov 29 @ 2:44 PM ET
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SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Nov 29 @ 2:46 PM ET
It is called having a long term approach. Yet you didn't answer the question.

What good is it to have Ivan on this team in 2022? What does it accomplish?

2 turntables and a microphone.

- furio16

I think if you trade Provorov right now, you’d be selling low. His production meets the team’s.
furio16
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Moscow, ID
Joined: 06.07.2007

Nov 29 @ 2:51 PM ET
I think if you trade Provorov right now, you’d be selling low. His production meets the team’s.
- SuperSchennBros
Do you see his "production" getting nay better in the next couple years with this trash roster and farm system?

Not selling low. He is what he is as a player. He will not be getting any better imo. He is now a vet. Change of scenery would likely do him good.

So do you want to re-sign him for 8 years when his contract is eligible for an ext?
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