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Sabretooth9
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 05.24.2019

Dec 2 @ 7:39 PM ET
Bill Armstrong asked for Savoie in talks with Adams for Chychrun , that will not happen. That's not even a starting point.
- SABRES 89


I mean if you are the coyotes. You had to to try.

One of the 1st round picks with value from this years draft will have to go.

The coyotes don’t have to move chick - run. They have all the power
Fattony1187
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 02.12.2015

Dec 2 @ 7:39 PM ET
I forgot what website I was looking at but they did the top 5 mock trades for chyrun (holy poop I need to learn how to spell it)

The guy said mitts / olofsson and a good prospect and Ryan Johnson’s rights

Which I am okay with. Just depends on who prospect wise

- Sabretooth9



I think if that was trade, and chychrn is really someone Adam's was truly interested in he would of did that already. Mitts, Olo and Johnson don't seem like long term guys here. Depending on prospect they would want, I would do it too
Wetbandit1
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Unpopular opinion (i think): The best Die Hard movie is the 4th one- Live free or Die Hard -jdfitz7, NY
Joined: 10.07.2010

Dec 2 @ 7:51 PM ET
I forgot what website I was looking at but they did the top 5 mock trades for chyrun (holy poop I need to learn how to spell it)

The guy said mitts / olofsson and a good prospect and Ryan Johnson’s rights

Which I am okay with. Just depends on who prospect wise

- Sabretooth9


Chiquorin
Hatboro_Swords
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Next year is gonna be 05/06 all over again, PA
Joined: 07.30.2010

Dec 2 @ 7:53 PM ET
Is it me or is Dorsey a mastermind? I knew it for years. The way he would be on the sidelines coaching Allen up and going over plays on the iPad. He’s holding back and only showing enough to win so they can boat race teams in the playoffs.
lacaprup
Buffalo Sabres
Location: NY
Joined: 07.23.2006

Dec 2 @ 7:57 PM ET
Before the season, Cozens, Quinn and Krebs were called out.

Since then,
- Cozens has been steadily growing his game and has recently been playing fabulous hockey...good news is he's young, motivated and driven to succeed making this a step on his ladder, not the top floor.
- Quinn, true to his history of taking time when stepping up in leagues, took a bit to begin to figure his game out. Playing well, and he too seems to be on rung 2 of a very tall ladder... so much potential.
- Krebs is taking much longer and hasn't yet taken the next step..there is more time to be had, and playing him on a regular basis seems like the smart play here. Danny Brierre also took more time than Krebs has played so far, Krebs has better production comparable.

The Peterka-Cozens-Quinn line is drawing tough competition assignments and has 52% xGF share...they are doing exactly what the Girgs/Okposo version of the Larry Line should have been doing but simply can't.

Now, UPL is the next target. Some have come to his defense pointing to poor D and abysmal PK hurting his results. Some choose to ignore Advanced Analytics as all pixie dust BS, but looking under the hood is just plain smart

Great article by Matthew Faairburn on The Athletic:
"The power play has put a dent in Luukkonen’s numbers, but he’s been solid otherwise. At five-on-five, he has a .919 save percentage and a 2.25 goals-against average. His goals saved above expected is positive at even strength, too.
The Sabres’ goalie situation hasn’t been perfect this season, but it’s tough to isolate blame when Buffalo has given up the sixth-most high-danger scoring chances, according to Natural Stat Trick. As a team, their high-danger save percentage is ranked in the middle of the league. They’re just giving up more of those chances than most teams."


Get another Dman
Get rid of Mitts Olo for sure aand start to assemble a real third line.
Grow some balls and be steadfast in your determination to dump ZGirgs and Okposo after the season. Dont let emotions cloud sound judgement there Kevyn.

- IonSabres



Nobody called out Quinn. That ridiculous. He'd barely had a cup of coffee with Buffalo before this year.

The "three stiffs" were Cozens, Krebs and Mitts, and I think it was consensus Cozens had the best shot for a breakout. Consensus seems to have been right. Krebs and Mitts are two stiffs for sure.

You can try and shine UPL all you'd like. I hope it works out too, but it's not going to. Penalties are a fact of life and his numbers. All he has to do is make more than 19 saves on 25 shots. I'll keep betting the over when he plays and keep getting paid before the 3rd period.
Buff36
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 10.13.2019

Dec 2 @ 7:58 PM ET
We shouldn't either. Let the guys develop naturally. Rushing prospects has hurt us in past
- Fattony1187

Rousek is 23yrs old, Kulich played in a men's league for 2yrs even before being drafted, Weissbach has been here, Biro has been here for awhile. Who are they rushing. All there doing is holding things up. Mitts and Olofsson other than a PP point here or a goal every 8gms do nothing for us.
Fattony1187
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 02.12.2015

Dec 2 @ 8:02 PM ET
Is it me or is Dorsey a mastermind? I knew it for years. The way he would be on the sidelines coaching Allen up and going over plays on the iPad. He’s holding back and only showing enough to win so they can boat race teams in the playoffs.
- Hatboro_Swords



He's been fine, other then abandoning the run early a few games. Diggs TD counts last night and Allen is almost 300 yards and 31 pts
Sabretooth9
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 05.24.2019

Dec 2 @ 8:11 PM ET
He's been fine, other then abandoning the run early a few games. Diggs TD counts last night and Allen is almost 300 yards and 31 pts
- Fattony1187


Agreed. Dorsey has been fine


Allen’s random interceptions are not on Dorsey
sabresfan69
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 06.26.2007

Dec 2 @ 8:17 PM ET
Montour 20 points in 22 games. Someone say we need a right handed defender?
Buff36
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 10.13.2019

Dec 2 @ 8:19 PM ET
Montour 20 points in 22 games. Someone say we need a right handed defender?
- sabresfan69

Another 1yr wonder contract
sabresfan69
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 06.26.2007

Dec 2 @ 8:23 PM ET
Another 1yr wonder contract
- Buff36

He signed a 3 year contract and has next year left on it. He is getting paid 3.5m this year and next.

What are you trying to say?
Buff36
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 10.13.2019

Dec 2 @ 8:27 PM ET
He signed a 3 year contract and has next year left on it. He is getting paid 3.5m this year and next.

What are you trying to say?

- sabresfan69

That Adams signed him to a 1yr Contract that would have walked him into FA, just like he did with Ullmark. I know what he signed with Florida.
Sabretooth9
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 05.24.2019

Dec 2 @ 9:24 PM ET
Montour 20 points in 22 games. Someone say we need a right handed defender?
- sabresfan69


Always liked him on the ducks. Then he got ralphed
Lunaion
Joined: 05.23.2016

Dec 2 @ 9:31 PM ET
Always liked him on the ducks. Then he got ralphed
- Sabretooth9


Think that's more on JB. Went from needing RD to too many in one summer. Montour at RW says it all.
jdfitz77
Buffalo Sabres
Location: buffalo, NY
Joined: 05.21.2007

Dec 2 @ 9:43 PM ET
We shouldn't either. Let the guys develop naturally. Rushing prospects has hurt us in past
- Fattony1187


Agreed
Buff36
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 10.13.2019

Dec 2 @ 9:55 PM ET
Think that's more on JB. Went from needing RD to too many in one summer. Montour at RW says it all.
- Lunaion

That was fun
SABRES 89
Season Ticket Holder
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I'm very Happy to be here. Las Vegas Via Buffalo N.Y.
Joined: 02.17.2007

Dec 2 @ 10:04 PM ET
That was fun
- Buff36

Rangers agreed to terms with RHP Jacob deGrom, who had been with the Mets, on a five-year contract.
ESPN's Jeff Passan says it's a $185 million contract with a sixth-year option that would take it to $222 million. It also contains a full no-trade clause. Obviously, it's a giant commitment to a 34-year-old who has been limited to 26 starts the last two years, but one imagines the Rangers would have had to clearly beat offers from the Mets and any other top contenders in order to lure him away. He'll join Jon Gray, Martin Pérez and Jake Odorizzi in the Rangers rotation.
Buff36
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 10.13.2019

Dec 2 @ 10:08 PM ET
Rangers agreed to terms with RHP Jacob deGrom, who had been with the Mets, on a five-year contract.
ESPN's Jeff Passan says it's a $185 million contract with a sixth-year option that would take it to $222 million. It also contains a full no-trade clause. Obviously, it's a giant commitment to a 34-year-old who has been limited to 26 starts the last two years, but one imagines the Rangers would have had to clearly beat offers from the Mets and any other top contenders in order to lure him away. He'll join Jon Gray, Martin Pérez and Jake Odorizzi in the Rangers rotation.

- SABRES 89

Saw that, big money for a often injured player
kingcong39
Buffalo Sabres
Location: albany, NY
Joined: 02.21.2007

Dec 2 @ 10:19 PM ET
Interesting regarding the potential next contract for Cozens.

Doubtful that his next contract will be a bridge deal, unless Cozens wants one, similar to what Dahlin signed.

https://www.expectedbuffa...-from-the-buffalo-sabres/

>>> Before the season, there was discussion on who would be that player to take the next step for the Buffalo Sabres. Dylan Cozens was a popular selection for that jump and through 23 games this season he has delivered.

The 21-year-old has nine and 21 points so far this season. Cozens has emerged as a true second-line center on the youngest and one of the most exciting lines in the league. He’s fifth on the team in expected goal share at 5 on 5 in Evolving Wild’s model and fifth in their goals above replacement model.

>>> The Comparables
I could go on for a little bit about how well Cozens has played, but instead, I want to focus on what this means for his next contract. I think I’ve said this a few times now, but I was able to confirm through multiple sources that Cozens is a player the Sabres were going to approach about working out a long-term extension. He’s a restricted free agent without arbitration rights at the end of this season.

I went digging in Cap Friendly over the last week searching for comparable contracts for Cozens under the following criteria:

Similar age (between 21-23)
Post-Covid (contracts within the last two years)
Non-arbitration eligible
In my conversation with sources, Jack Hughes’ contract with the New Jersey Devils came up as a contract that could be used as a comparable in negotiations. I get how that may not make sense to you on the surface, but we’ll get to that part in a little bit.

Using Hughes as the comparable in Cap Friendly, I found three other contracts that can be used as a baseline for a Cozens long-term extension. The four contracts I used here are as follows:

Jack Hughes (2021) – 8-years, $8 million cap hit | 9.82 cap hit percentage
Nick Suzuki (2021) – 8-years, $7.875 million cap hit | 9.66 CH%
Tim Stutzle (2022) – 8-years, $8.35 million cap hit | 10.12 CH%
Josh Norris (2022) – 8-years, $7.95 million cap hit | 9.64 CH%
All four of these players met the criteria I mentioned above. Hughes and Stutzle were 21 years old when they signed their contract. Suzuki was 22 years old and Norris was 23.

>>> The next step here was to line up all five of these players and see how their production lines up. At the end of the day, goals and points are still kings in contract negotiations at the NHL level. I lined up Cozens’ production for his career through this season against the other four players for their careers leading up to when they signed their contracts. So, to be clear, Hughes’ production you’ll see below is from when he entered the league through the 2020-21 season.

>>> I looked at goals and points per 60 minutes in not only all situations, but 5 on 5 as well. As you can see, Cozens grades out well here in this group and above Hughes in all four areas. These, by the way, are Cozens’ production numbers before he added to it the last two games.

Getting back to Hughes, you can see at a similar age that Cozens had higher production levels on a per 60 minutes basis. Of course, Hughes has the first overall pedigree and has taken off for the New Jersey Devils. However, this is why his contract can be used as a comparable for Cozens.

If you take this information in, you can start to begin to craft what a new long-term deal looks like for Cozens. The obvious part is eight years seems like the going rate on a long-term deal for a player his age and skill set.

Next, we can do some math to get to the cap hit. If we take the average cap hit percentage of the four comparable contracts (9.81%) and multiply it against the current NHL cap ceiling, we get an annual average value of $8.09 million. For argument’s sake, let’s round down to an even $8 million.

Now, where this can get tricky for the Sabres is if they let this play into the offseason. The cap could go all the way up to $86.5 million next season if the NHLPA pays back all owed escrow to the owners. That would bring Cozens to an $8.5 million cap hit with a 9.81 cap hit percentage. If the cap only goes up $1 million to 83.5, that works out to an $8.2 million cap hit.

It would appear the Sabres should have some desire to get this done during this season and not wait it out to the summer if they do want to go long-term.

>>> Tage Thompson
The last part of this is the unknown variable of Tage Thompson’s contract. You may recall he signed a seven-year deal with a $7.14 million cap hit in the summer. It’s safe to say that he has outplayed that contract before it has even kicked in.

With their top-line center locked in at $7.14 million, logic would dictate that they wouldn’t want to pay their second-line center more than that. However, as we just figured out, Cozens’ comparables are for a higher cap hit.

Thus we have our unknown variable in this discussion.

Do the Sabres tell Cozens’ side that they want him to come in no higher than Thompson on a long-term deal? Does Cozens’ agent tell them too bad and point to the list of comparables we just went over?

Of course, the two sides could meet somewhere in the middle, but that would likely be above Thompson’s cap hit. I would imagine the Sabres want to follow a model that has been made famous by the Tampa Bay Lightning. Get a good player on a team-friendly deal and continue to get your young players locked in early following the standards of the initial team-friendly contract. Winning Stanley Cups and having no state income tax in Florida helps in those contract discussions. The Sabres can offer neither of those things.

It’ll be interesting to see how things play out here as the season goes along. Cozens has put himself in line to get a new deal between $7-8 million. The question is if the two sides want to go long-term, which end of the range does the deal eventually fall in?
TheHank
Location: Yawn.
Joined: 01.11.2017

Dec 2 @ 10:23 PM ET
Interesting regarding the potential next contract for Cozens.

Doubtful that his next contract will be a bridge deal, unless Cozens wants one, similar to what Dahlin signed.

https://www.expectedbuffa...-from-the-buffalo-sabres/

>>> Before the season, there was discussion on who would be that player to take the next step for the Buffalo Sabres. Dylan Cozens was a popular selection for that jump and through 23 games this season he has delivered.

The 21-year-old has nine and 21 points so far this season. Cozens has emerged as a true second-line center on the youngest and one of the most exciting lines in the league. He’s fifth on the team in expected goal share at 5 on 5 in Evolving Wild’s model and fifth in their goals above replacement model.

>>> The Comparables
I could go on for a little bit about how well Cozens has played, but instead, I want to focus on what this means for his next contract. I think I’ve said this a few times now, but I was able to confirm through multiple sources that Cozens is a player the Sabres were going to approach about working out a long-term extension. He’s a restricted free agent without arbitration rights at the end of this season.

I went digging in Cap Friendly over the last week searching for comparable contracts for Cozens under the following criteria:

Similar age (between 21-23)
Post-Covid (contracts within the last two years)
Non-arbitration eligible
In my conversation with sources, Jack Hughes’ contract with the New Jersey Devils came up as a contract that could be used as a comparable in negotiations. I get how that may not make sense to you on the surface, but we’ll get to that part in a little bit.

Using Hughes as the comparable in Cap Friendly, I found three other contracts that can be used as a baseline for a Cozens long-term extension. The four contracts I used here are as follows:

Jack Hughes (2021) – 8-years, $8 million cap hit | 9.82 cap hit percentage
Nick Suzuki (2021) – 8-years, $7.875 million cap hit | 9.66 CH%
Tim Stutzle (2022) – 8-years, $8.35 million cap hit | 10.12 CH%
Josh Norris (2022) – 8-years, $7.95 million cap hit | 9.64 CH%
All four of these players met the criteria I mentioned above. Hughes and Stutzle were 21 years old when they signed their contract. Suzuki was 22 years old and Norris was 23.

>>> The next step here was to line up all five of these players and see how their production lines up. At the end of the day, goals and points are still kings in contract negotiations at the NHL level. I lined up Cozens’ production for his career through this season against the other four players for their careers leading up to when they signed their contracts. So, to be clear, Hughes’ production you’ll see below is from when he entered the league through the 2020-21 season.

>>> I looked at goals and points per 60 minutes in not only all situations, but 5 on 5 as well. As you can see, Cozens grades out well here in this group and above Hughes in all four areas. These, by the way, are Cozens’ production numbers before he added to it the last two games.

Getting back to Hughes, you can see at a similar age that Cozens had higher production levels on a per 60 minutes basis. Of course, Hughes has the first overall pedigree and has taken off for the New Jersey Devils. However, this is why his contract can be used as a comparable for Cozens.

If you take this information in, you can start to begin to craft what a new long-term deal looks like for Cozens. The obvious part is eight years seems like the going rate on a long-term deal for a player his age and skill set.

Next, we can do some math to get to the cap hit. If we take the average cap hit percentage of the four comparable contracts (9.81%) and multiply it against the current NHL cap ceiling, we get an annual average value of $8.09 million. For argument’s sake, let’s round down to an even $8 million.

Now, where this can get tricky for the Sabres is if they let this play into the offseason. The cap could go all the way up to $86.5 million next season if the NHLPA pays back all owed escrow to the owners. That would bring Cozens to an $8.5 million cap hit with a 9.81 cap hit percentage. If the cap only goes up $1 million to 83.5, that works out to an $8.2 million cap hit.

It would appear the Sabres should have some desire to get this done during this season and not wait it out to the summer if they do want to go long-term.

>>> Tage Thompson
The last part of this is the unknown variable of Tage Thompson’s contract. You may recall he signed a seven-year deal with a $7.14 million cap hit in the summer. It’s safe to say that he has outplayed that contract before it has even kicked in.

With their top-line center locked in at $7.14 million, logic would dictate that they wouldn’t want to pay their second-line center more than that. However, as we just figured out, Cozens’ comparables are for a higher cap hit.

Thus we have our unknown variable in this discussion.

Do the Sabres tell Cozens’ side that they want him to come in no higher than Thompson on a long-term deal? Does Cozens’ agent tell them too bad and point to the list of comparables we just went over?

Of course, the two sides could meet somewhere in the middle, but that would likely be above Thompson’s cap hit. I would imagine the Sabres want to follow a model that has been made famous by the Tampa Bay Lightning. Get a good player on a team-friendly deal and continue to get your young players locked in early following the standards of the initial team-friendly contract. Winning Stanley Cups and having no state income tax in Florida helps in those contract discussions. The Sabres can offer neither of those things.

It’ll be interesting to see how things play out here as the season goes along. Cozens has put himself in line to get a new deal between $7-8 million. The question is if the two sides want to go long-term, which end of the range does the deal eventually fall in?

- kingcong39

Wow. Nice work
kingcong39
Buffalo Sabres
Location: albany, NY
Joined: 02.21.2007

Dec 2 @ 10:24 PM ET
Wow. Nice work
- TheHank


Had to share the quality work of another 👍
Lunaion
Joined: 05.23.2016

Dec 2 @ 10:25 PM ET
Wow. Nice work
- TheHank


Think that's all/mostly from Chad. The Tage angle makes things interesting. Hopefully that doesn't lead them towards a bridge.
kingcong39
Buffalo Sabres
Location: albany, NY
Joined: 02.21.2007

Dec 2 @ 10:33 PM ET
Think that's all/mostly from Chad. The Tage angle makes things interesting. Hopefully that doesn't lead them towards a bridge.
- Lunaion


Yes, that's why I shared the link first 😊

I could see Cozens agent pushing for the deal Dahlin signed last time (short term, high QO, ends the season before UFA status) so Dylan can bet on himself and cash in next time with a giant deal and a much higher cap limit.
TheHank
Location: Yawn.
Joined: 01.11.2017

Dec 2 @ 10:44 PM ET
Yes, that's why I shared the link first 😊

I could see Cozens agent pushing for the deal Dahlin signed last time (short term, high QO, ends the season before UFA status) so Dylan can bet on himself and cash in next time with a giant deal and a much higher cap limit.

- kingcong39

No doubt. Money in the back aint nothin to be scoffed at either. I'm a simpleton but 8 years guaranteed might look pretty nice too. 🤞 hopefully
kingcong39
Buffalo Sabres
Location: albany, NY
Joined: 02.21.2007

Dec 2 @ 10:53 PM ET
No doubt. Money in the back aint nothin to be scoffed at either. I'm a simpleton but 8 years guaranteed might look pretty nice too. 🤞 hopefully
- TheHank


An 8 year deal would take Cozens right to when he would turn 30 at what would be the final season of that deal.
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