Did I miss or forget something? Thought Davidson was hired by the Hawks as an unpaid intern on the bottom rung of the ladder and in 10 yrs worked his way up to assistant to StanBow? He was never with Ottawa as far as I know.

But yea, you/all Hawk's fans should be concerned about Davidson cuz if he proves to be incapable the organIzation will flail for 10 yrs. Remember the top of the hockey side ladder is Danny Boy, the guy who promoted and gave a raise to StanBow for his fine work in building the pipeline and not making the playoffs in 5-6 yrs just this last summer!!!!

This is the guy who will evaluate Davidson, not a president of hockey ops!! Danny Boy. When you complain about the Davidson hire direct your complaints to Danny Boy, the guy who was enamored with StanBow who would still be the GM today if not for the Beach thing!!

We all better hope Davidson is capable.
- Mr Ricochet

Can't be worse than Reinsdorf.

And they took steps and brought people in the modernize the organization which is a good thing in a sport that doesn't seem willing to take the necessary steps to expand their audience and grow.

They were also clear that they weren't going to have a president of hockey ops and that the GM would be accountable for the hockey side of things.

Not necessarily. Dach didn't seem to be a player that fit in Chicago. Could it be similar to Philly unloading Patrick Sharp?

Absolutely.

But when you take into account things like cap flexibility and ensuring that they are in the lottery the next 3 drafts and having high motor character guys to build around - I think Davidson made a good choice and the right one. Especially since Dach seems like more of a complimentary player than a building block. A lot of scouts, across most sports, get super hard over guys with size and good athletic ability and are willing to take that chance.

The injury was unfortunate but I think that taking a chance on a player like Nazar that fits into the type of player they described and offers true game braking potential while pushing back NHL impact 2 (or maybe 3 with the injury) is not a bad thing.

Could definitely be a trade both teams benefit from.
- fattybeef

They rushed Dach to the NHL. They bounced him around the lineup. He got hurt. Then they dumped him for a lottery ticket in Nazar. Won't be long till the Hawks talk about the need for a big centerman who can play against the large centers in the league. Big forwards who skate are hard to find.

Jones, Nurse, Pietrangelo are all very similar do everything pretty good but nothing outstanding players. The money is fine. In terms of a minute eater who isn't going to lose you a game, there isn't really a lot to complain about.

But Makar or Fox he is not which I think is why they were so hot for K2.

The other Jones is not good. McCabe is why you don't give a guy coming off major knee surgery money and term and Murphy is fine for 4 million.
- fattybeef

All 3 of those guys are outstanding defensemen. They are clearly top 30 Dmen in the league and would be the #1 guy on many of the 32 NHL teams.

There is a lot of love for KK and I get it there is potential there. Offensive defensemen are rare in the NHL. There are only a couple of Fox/Makar type players. KK is racking up his points in juniors against teams that have 1 or 2 guys that will be NHL players. The Hawks have a long list of offensive defensemen drafted high who never panned out. Let's hope KK can handle the defensive side of the game at the NHL level or coaches will never play him.

They rushed Dach to the NHL. They bounced him around the lineup. He got hurt. Then they dumped him for a lottery ticket in Nazar. Won't be long till the Hawks talk about the need for a big centerman who can play against the large centers in the league. Big forwards who skate are hard to find.
- stevefrmglencoe

Don't disagree.

The Hawks are destined to be in the bottom 5 (and probably the bottom 3). That is a given. But they would be more watchable if:
1) Tyler Johnson returns to play with Toews and Raddysh
2) Lafferty returns and they reunite him with Kurashev and D!ckinson
3) Send Entwistle to Rockford. Run a 4th line of some combination of Khaira, Katchouk, Reese Johnson, Blackwell
3) Play Caleb Jones (Gus jr.) less and Filip Roos more

Right now after a few minutes you have to turn the tv off and go puke.

Oddity - Hawks have 3 Johnsons, 2 Jones and a Murphy. Pretty plain names for a Hockey team.
- -Doh-

We have too many Mrazek's.

They rushed Dach to the NHL. They bounced him around the lineup. He got hurt. Then they dumped him for a lottery ticket in Nazar. Won't be long till the Hawks talk about the need for a big centerman who can play against the large centers in the league. Big forwards who skate are hard to find.
- stevefrmglencoe

But Dach is not playing center, the Canadiens played him at center in the exhibition season, but currently see him as a winger, especially since they have Suzuki as their #1 center.

They rushed Dach to the NHL. They bounced him around the lineup. He got hurt. Then they dumped him for a lottery ticket in Nazar. Won't be long till the Hawks talk about the need for a big centerman who can play against the large centers in the league. Big forwards who skate are hard to find.
- stevefrmglencoe

There is no way of knowing that Dach would have the same success on the Hawks that he is now having in MTL. In fact, I would venture that he would be less effective on this current Hawks team.

He is playing top line minutes with ample PP time, offensive linemates, and notably playing wing, not center. Good for him that he is having a good start to the year, and I hope his career goes well, but in the end, I don't think losing Dach will be that much of a detriment to the future of the Hawks.

if I had to bet, I would say that he will continue and end his career as a wing and not a center.

My head hurts, can we stick to max. 10 pages double spaced please.

I feel like people think that this teardown is somehow magically going to produce something in 2-3 years. They are going to need more than picks to turn this around.
- stevefrmglencoe

Nobody drafts perfectly.

They rushed Dach to the NHL. They bounced him around the lineup. He got hurt. Then they dumped him for a lottery ticket in Nazar. Won't be long till the Hawks talk about the need for a big centerman who can play against the large centers in the league. Big forwards who skate are hard to find.
- stevefrmglencoe

He's a RW in Montreal and not the best player on his line.

He also didn't do anything to prove he could play against bigger pivots with the Hawks soooo it doesn't really look like he's going to be a center.

Roope Hintz extends with Dallas 8 x 8.45M. With he and Robertson they have a nice home grown core signed up for a few years. Both are 2nd round picks by the way.

Roope Hintz extends with Dallas 8 x 8.45M. With he and Robertson they have a nice home grown core signed up for a few years. Both are 2nd round picks by the way.
- boilermaker100

Dallas 2017 draft

#3 overall Heiskenen
#26 Ottenger
#39 Jason Robertson

Hope in 5 years the Hawks 2022 of Korchinski, Nazar, and Rinzel have the same success

Dallas 2017 draft

#3 overall Heiskenen
#26 Ottenger
#39 Jason Robertson

Hope in 5 years the Hawks 2022 of Korchinski, Nazar, and Rinzel have the same success
- LAHawk

Great draft to say the least.

As for the Hawks future, yes, building through the draft will take several years.
Look at the Cup winning teams from a decade ago.

Keith drafted 2002
Seabrook, Crawford, Buff 2003
Bolland, Bickell, Brouwer 2004
Hammer 2005
Toews 2006
Kane 2007

Finally reached the playoffs after the 2008-2009 season.

So has the current clock started in 2020 with Reichel, 2021 with Allan or 2022 with Korchinski, Nazar et al. ?

But Dach is not playing center, the Canadiens played him at center in the exhibition season, but currently see him as a winger, especially since they have Suzuki as their #1 center.
- LAHawk

Good point he is playing wing now. I've watched a few Montreal games and he has the puck a lot all over the ice. In one game he was the pointman on a 4 on 3. Big body guy who can move. Those guys are hard to find.

He's a RW in Montreal and not the best player on his line.

He also didn't do anything to prove he could play against bigger pivots with the Hawks soooo it doesn't really look like he's going to be a center.
- fattybeef

Good point for sure. He is also still a young guy. He looked good in the bubble. The few Montreal games I have watched he looks much more confident. I've always liked the big bodied guys from the WHL. Like all trades, it takes 5 years to make a final determination.

There is no way of knowing that Dach would have the same success on the Hawks that he is now having in MTL. In fact, I would venture that he would be less effective on this current Hawks team.

He is playing top line minutes with ample PP time, offensive linemates, and notably playing wing, not center. Good for him that he is having a good start to the year, and I hope his career goes well, but in the end, I don't think losing Dach will be that much of a detriment to the future of the Hawks.

if I had to bet, I would say that he will continue and end his career as a wing and not a center.
- Chunk

You are right he would not be having the same success because his 2 linemates in Montreal would be the top 2 guys here. The Hagel trade was an awesome move for the Hawks. DeBrincat is going to be highly overpaid in his next deal and I still miss his shooting. The Dach to me seemed risky based on Dach's size, age and potential. I hope I am wrong.

Great draft to say the least.

As for the Hawks future, yes, building through the draft will take several years.
Look at the Cup winning teams from a decade ago.

Keith drafted 2002
Seabrook, Crawford, Buff 2003
Bolland, Bickell, Brouwer 2004
Hammer 2005
Toews 2006
Kane 2007

Finally reached the playoffs after the 2008-2009 season.

So has the current clock started in 2020 with Reichel, 2021 with Allan or 2022 with Korchinski, Nazar et al. ?
- boilermaker100

Even if they don't win the Bedard sweepstakes, if they can just draft well and over the next 3 to 5 years infuse the system with NHL talent they will be in the sweepstakes to have a top 5 pick for the next 5 years.

Great draft to say the least.

As for the Hawks future, yes, building through the draft will take several years.
Look at the Cup winning teams from a decade ago.

Keith drafted 2002
Seabrook, Crawford, Buff 2003
Bolland, Bickell, Brouwer 2004
Hammer 2005
Toews 2006
Kane 2007

Finally reached the playoffs after the 2008-2009 season.

So has the current clock started in 2020 with Reichel, 2021 with Allan or 2022 with Korchinski, Nazar et al. ?
- boilermaker100

It's really hard to say. Especially since we don't quite know how KD views the remaining current prospects.

I'm going to keep hanging on Mitchell until he's not on the team anymore. I just like the way he plays. Vlasic may be an interesting piece as a shutdown D. Allan, KK, and a few others who may surprise seem to have the D prospects at least considered solid.

I'm liking the Goalie pipeline early returns.

The forwards are just largely unknown at this point. The thought is that Reichel can eventually become a decent player. I see his ceiling as about where Dach is (not that I have much experience scouting). Other Dach, Nazar, Slaggert, and a bunch of 2022 draftees are still unknowns. Most of them seem to be playing quite well at the moment, so that's at least promising.

Even if they don't win the Bedard sweepstakes, if they can just draft well and over the next 3 to 5 years infuse the system with NHL talent they will be in the sweepstakes to have a top 5 pick for the next 5 years.
- BetweenTheDots

Yes it would be nice if on average 2 annually of the past and future draft picks become contributors.

In my earlier example 10 members of the 1st Cup winning team were drafted over 6 years (1.5 annually). Hawks lucked out with Kane by winning the lottery and moving up 7 spots I think. The Sharp trade midway through the 6 years and the Hossa signing the year before the Cup augmented the draft picks.

You are right he would not be having the same success because his 2 linemates in Montreal would be the top 2 guys here. The Hagel trade was an awesome move for the Hawks. DeBrincat is going to be highly overpaid in his next deal and I still miss his shooting. The Dach to me seemed risky based on Dach's size, age and potential. I hope I am wrong.
- stevefrmglencoe

I'm sure ADB will be paid a lot, but I don't think it will be overpaid. The guy puts up a ton of points, and teams always need to (and do) pay a lot for that. He also has worked on additional aspects of his game and continually works to improve his main skills.

Let me ask this, would you be less concerned about losing Dach if any/all of the following happen:

1) Colton Dach emerges as a plus power winger.
2) Reichel realizes his full potential.
3) The Hawks draft Fantilli.

I personally like the younger Dach's aggression around the net. His hands don't seem to be quite as skilled, but he is definitely producing.

It's really hard to say. Especially since we don't quite know how KD views the remaining current prospects.

I'm going to keep hanging on Mitchell until he's not on the team anymore. I just like the way he plays. Vlasic may be an interesting piece as a shutdown D. Allan, KK, and a few others who may surprise seem to have the D prospects at least considered solid.

I'm liking the Goalie pipeline early returns.

The forwards are just largely unknown at this point. The thought is that Reichel can eventually become a decent player. I see his ceiling as about where Dach is (not that I have much experience scouting). Other Dach, Nazar, Slaggert, and a bunch of 2022 draftees are still unknowns. Most of them seem to be playing quite well at the moment, so that's at least promising.
- Chunk

Didn't mean to exclude Mitchell and Vlasic. I see them as complimentary pieces. Maybe Mitchell will be included in a trade? There's a baseball analogy about 4A players. Too good to play in the AAA league, not good enough for the majors. He's 24 but for whatever reason - More development needed? KD and LR wanting to play veteran D? Not that highly thought of? Will be a detriment to the tank?- he is stuck in the AHL and is more or less an injury call up.

Del Mastro also drafted in 2021. He looks promising too. Commesso drafted in 2020. Hopefully he signs and does not pull a "Hayes". So maybe the clock started in 2020?

2020 Reichel, Commesso, Wyatt, Slaggert
2021 Allan, Del Mastro, C. Dach
2022 Korchinski, Nazar, Rinzel, Ludwinski

Hopefully about 4 or 5 of them become major contributors and more than "just a guy".

I'm sure ADB will be paid a lot, but I don't think it will be overpaid. The guy puts up a ton of points, and teams always need to (and do) pay a lot for that. He also has worked on additional aspects of his game and continually works to improve his main skills.

Let me ask this, would you be less concerned about losing Dach if any/all of the following happen:

1) Colton Dach emerges as a plus power winger.
2) Reichel realizes his full potential.
3) The Hawks draft Fantilli.

I personally like the younger Dach's aggression around the net. His hands don't seem to be quite as skilled, but he is definitely producing.
- Chunk

Colton is 6'4" so if he emerges it will be awesome.
Reichel scares me. I see the skill but who is he going to play with here that is going to read off of him and get open? I don't know if he his game includes anything except high end soft skills. Is he a 2 way 200ft guy or even 180ft?
Fantilli looks amazing for sure. Probably a lock as a 1st line center.

Didn't mean to exclude Mitchell and Vlasic. I see them as complimentary pieces. Maybe Mitchell will be included in a trade? There's a baseball analogy about 4A players. Too good to play in the AAA league, not good enough for the majors. He's 24 but for whatever reason - More development needed? KD and LR wanting to play veteran D? Not that highly thought of? Will be a detriment to the tank?- he is stuck in the AHL and is more or less an injury call up.

Del Mastro also drafted in 2021. He looks promising too. Commesso drafted in 2020. Hopefully he signs and does not pull a "Hayes". So maybe the clock started in 2020?

2020 Reichel, Commesso, Wyatt, Slaggert
2021 Allan, Del Mastro, C. Dach
2022 Korchinski, Nazar, Rinzel, Ludwinski

Hopefully about 4 or 5 of them become major contributors and more than "just a guy".
- boilermaker100

Don't sleep on the Hawks 3rd rounders last year also. Savoie (the Marchand light), Thompson and Hayes are all having good seasons for their respective teams. All 3 project better than what is skating in the bottom 6 for the Hawks currently.

Per Ben Pope twitter...

Hawks practice lines this morning

Athanasiou-Toews-Kane
Kurashev-Domi-Raddysh
Khaira-Richardinson-Blackwell
Katchouk-Entwistle-R Johnson

J Johnson-S Jones
Roos-Murphy
McCabe-C Jones

(I see Luke going with the nuclear option.)

Lafferty out with a back. Tinordi out with a hip.

Don't sleep on the Hawks 3rd rounders last year also. Savoie (the Marchand light), Thompson and Hayes are all having good seasons for their respective teams. All 3 project better than what is skating in the bottom 6 for the Hawks currently.
- LAHawk

The more the merrier.