Yeah, no....

UFA spending is not the way to get good.

Hopefully they use that money to get rentals to trade at next season's trade deadline, or to eat bad contracts in exchange for a piece of candy.
- mohel

Campbell, Richards and Hossa worked out ok.

The Hawks currently have 12 players that did not start on the team last year. Forget about he obtained 3 #1 draft choices this year when they started the of-season with zero.

Once this trade deadline is over, you will probably see at a minimum 2-3 more that were on last years opening roster gone, he will probably like a lot more, but some are just untradeable. Yet you say he has not turned over the roster enough, but one paragraph above you claim he is running the franchise like a video game.

And is going through 40 players and 8 trades managing a club, or a sign of desperation?
- LAHawk

If there ever was a desperate time, right now is it.

I think it has more to do with around the league that trade looks so outragedly bad Right now that it makes news when the center point of the trade seeming rubs it into a outraged Hawks crowd . Also after the game Kane and St-Louis both had discouraging words about the trade.
Personally I believe we could have held onto Dach. The trade was made for the future and that is where the trade will be best evaluated. I liked Dach when he was drafted but I also liked
Nazar when he was drafted. He who laughs last, laugh loudest.
- oldduffman

Pass first soft big guy who struggled being the center of attention but is doing well as a secondary player. He'll score 40 or 50 points you won't remember and continue to draw the ire of the fan base here. The other two guys on the line really drive the play and he has much more space to take his time.

Those players definitely have value but taking a flyer on a player with game braking upside who aggressively attacks the middle when they're trying to build from scratch is probably the right move even if it doesn't work out.

Colliton is probably laughing his ass off.
- LAHawk

I don't see how. They thought they were good with him and were garbage and now they're trying to be garbage on purpose and they are.

Campbell, Richards and Hossa worked out ok.
- stevefrmglencoe

The team was already trending up and ready to win in the case of Campbell and Hossa and Richards was there to fill a hole to reload. None of that is comparable to their current situation.

Yeah, no....

UFA spending is not the way to get good.

Hopefully they use that money to get rentals to trade at next season's trade deadline, or to eat bad contracts in exchange for a piece of candy.
- mohel

Even the Oilers and Islanders had guys at all ages. Can't have all first and second year players 2 years from now. Larkin, Meier, Horvat, Bertuzzi, Compher, Wood and Pastrnak are all UFA's. What would be wrong with going out and making one of these guys the centerpiece? All of a sudden Jones breakout passes are caught.

Pass first soft big guy who struggled being the center of attention but is doing well as a secondary player. He'll score 40 or 50 points you won't remember and continue to draw the ire of the fan base here. The other two guys on the line really drive the play and he has much more space to take his time.

Those players definitely have value but taking a flyer on a player with game braking upside who aggressively attacks the middle when they're trying to build from scratch is probably the right move even if it doesn't work out.
- fattybeef

Could be true but to believe this you have to believe that Davidson has a better eye for talent than Gordon. Gordon has been in pro hockey since Davidson was in diapers.

What if I told you that even if they did care, (which I'm sure a good portion of them do) they would not be much - if any - better? Because that is what is on this roster.

Also, just because a coach doesn't do what you think he should do, does not mean he is not a good coach or doesn't care.... otherwise, I'm guessing you would have his job.
- Chunk

You could be right for sure. I just wish I could look back at Richardson's coaching track record and see something that would make me believe. The Sens groomed him for years to be their head coach and then decided to take a pass.

The team was already trending up and ready to win in the case of Campbell and Hossa and Richards was there to fill a hole to reload. None of that is comparable to their current situation.
- fattybeef

Would you be against signing Dylan Larkin and Miles Wood in the summer for 7 years to lead the team out of this?

Even the Oilers and Islanders had guys at all ages. Can't have all first and second year players 2 years from now. Larkin, Meier, Horvat, Bertuzzi, Compher, Wood and Pastrnak are all UFA's. What would be wrong with going out and making one of these guys the centerpiece? All of a sudden Jones breakout passes are caught.
- stevefrmglencoe

You missed the one guy that I would take a big swing at. Austin Matthews in 2 years, especially if they draft top 3 this year.

Would you be against signing Dylan Larkin and Miles Wood in the summer for 7 years to lead the team out of this?
- stevefrmglencoe

Larkin I would consider, but why wouldn't Yzerman resign him? Miles Wood? might as well resign Athanasiou.. They are the same age.

Would you be against signing Dylan Larkin and Miles Wood in the summer for 7 years to lead the team out of this?
- stevefrmglencoe

Actually didn't the Hawks ty this when they signed Khabibulin and Aucoin as big UFA splashes the same year? How did that work out?

If there ever was a desperate time, right now is it.
- stevefrmglencoe

No.

The Hawks are going to have something along the lines of $30 million to spend next season. I hope there is someone inside the orgainzation that knows what they are doing.
- stevefrmglencoe

https://www.spotrac.com/n...s/ufa/?ref=trending-pages

Here you go. A list of all the players who will become free agents for 2023.

Who would you like them to pi$$ away money on?

https://www.spotrac.com/n...s/ufa/?ref=trending-pages

Here you go. A list of all the players who will become free agents for 2023.

Who would you like them to pi$$ away money on?
- Rota's Rooter

Panik

I expect them to care. Even if they have less talent, I expect the players to play as if their careers depend upon it and the coach to coach for wins.
- stevefrmglencoe

I couldn't believe they didn't pull the goalie last night.

Would you be against signing Dylan Larkin and Miles Wood in the summer for 7 years to lead the team out of this?
- stevefrmglencoe

Larkin has spent his entire career so far, on either a declining or rebuilding Red Wings team that is just now starting to dig themselves out of the hole and he's going to sign with a rebuilding Hawks team?

You're dreaming.

https://www.spotrac.com/n...s/ufa/?ref=trending-pages

Here you go. A list of all the players who will become free agents for 2023.

Who would you like them to pi$$ away money on?
- Rota's Rooter

Larkin and Wood.

Larkin has spent his entire career so far, on either a declining or rebuilding Red Wings team that is just now starting to dig themselves out of the hole and he's going to sign with a rebuilding Hawks team?

You're dreaming.
- Rota's Rooter

Hawks are going to have to overpay.

I couldn't believe they didn't pull the goalie last night.
- rpeters01

Hahahaha... man it is tough to watch. The worst part is besides maybe Roos, there aren't even any young players on the team I care about.

At least with the Bears you have Justin Fields and a few other young players to watch during games despite the losing.

I couldn't believe they didn't pull the goalie last night.
- rpeters01

Hawks looked tired last night. Hooking penalties and lots of standing around watching. Winnipeg's 4th line steamrolled the Hawks. Is he working the Hawks hard enough at practice or is he a "Player's Coach" with lots of days off and Foie Gras on the plane?

Speaking of bottoming out...where are we on Hawks tickets currently? BOGO is the new "deal"?

Had Full Season tickets $17 seats in 311 row 8 in 2008 until they were $63 seats in 2017 when I bowed out. Is BOGO as good as it will get? Maybe if it goes lower I can afford to take my 8 y.o. and sit close to the glass...

The stated goal when KD took over was complete overhaul of the roster.

The first moves were to trade anything that wasn't nailed down. If Kane, Toews and Jones didn't have NMC's they would already be on other teams.

Stop expecting them to care or be good. The entire roster is made up of spare parts from a Corvair. The PURPOSE of this team is to secure a top 5 (ideally top 3) pick in the draft.

They are doing exactly what management wants.

The defense is made up of players who mostly cannot complete a pass, or skate it out. That's by design. They have one or two guys that can actually keep up with Kane and none of them are on his line. That is by design. The goalies are slightly below average at best. That is by design.

Yes, as a fan is sucks to watch, but you have to bottom out first and they are doing that.
- Chunk

That is such a fallacy. You don't have to bottom out first. Yes, having high picks helps to rebuild, but its not a panacea. EDM, BUF, ARI have drafted high over the years, what have they won?

You need a combination of good picks mixed with FA's, veterans and role players to be successful.

PIT successfully turned 4 #1 or #2 picks in consecutive years into a cup in '09 and have maintained a high level of play by filling in around them. BOS has remained competitive though McAvoy in 2016 is the most recent pick who contributes regularly. WSH and StL have won cups without tanking for a high choice.

There is no single right way to build a winner in the NHL. It can easily be argued that tanking is the least successful way to get to a cup. Who was the last team to tank and win a cup as a direct result of it.

That is such a fallacy. You don't have to bottom out first. Yes, having high picks helps to rebuild, but its not a panacea. EDM, BUF, ARI have drafted high over the years, what have they won?

You need a combination of good picks mixed with FA's, veterans and role players to be successful.

PIT successfully turned 4 #1 or #2 picks in consecutive years into a cup in '09 and have maintained a high level of play by filling in around them. BOS has remained competitive though McAvoy in 2016 is the most recent pick who contributes regularly. WSH and StL have won cups without tanking for a high choice.

There is no single right way to build a winner in the NHL. It can easily be argued that tanking is the least successful way to get to a cup. Who was the last team to tank and win a cup as a direct result of it.
- TheTrob

Indeed, I worded that poorly. I should have said they are going to bottom out first instead of "you have to". I don't think KD is going to try and maintain this level of bad for very long. Maybe next year at most before he starts to put the bigger pieces together.

I think if he finds some good deals on prospects/young players for taking salary, he will be able to turn the corner quicker.

True that there is no single way to rebuild. I'll be interested to see what kind of players KD brings in the next two years. The only sure thing on this roster right now that will be there in the future is S. Jones. I expect about 80-90% turnover in the next three years.

Hahahaha... man it is tough to watch. The worst part is besides maybe Roos, there aren't even any young players on the team I care about.

At least with the Bears you have Justin Fields and a few other young players to watch during games despite the losing.
- bhawks2241

I wasn't impressed with Mrazek he was terrible in the game.