That team would be the #1 seed in the playoffs.
- Feanor

and a team that loses as often as it wins

Then (frank) off to a Sixers forum, weirdo. We're talking about the objectively poor performance of the Flyers in the NHL under Fletcher using the Team rankings since he was hired.
- Feanor

FU then why not use the teams actual performance because its winning % is more of an indictment on that

Strange that you really want to defend the usage of a such a flawed stat.....its the opposite of how you poo poo certain analytic stats.....

Everyone has potential.
- furio16

Bellows, i a m not sure

Bellows, i a m not sure
- THE EVIL WITHIN

Bellows looks like a very good AHL forward as his ceiling.

We as Flyer fans are living my worst nightmare. Just good enough to not make the playoffs and miss out on drafting high end talent. Not bad enough to draft truly franchise changing talent.
- MBFlyerfan

Well said, it is a true nightmare. I don't why we can see it, but apparently the Flyers brass does not. I sincerely hope the Fletcher and his staff finally wave the white flag and tank, its their only chance to salvage this. The injuries have actually helped the situation, not hurt it. If they hold out hope that someone Cam, Couts and Ellis will come back and play at a high level, and things will turn around, they are sadly mistaken!

throw out the season he was hired.
his pts% by season
.645
.518
.372
.432 (through 22 games).

Not a good trend. And this will be 3rd consecutive year with no playoffs.
- rayc16

The life expectancy of an NHL GM is 4 years, are we there yet??

Sbisa was not an awful first round pick. He made the team out of training camp and showed promise his rookie year.
- jimbass1

He had no business being in the league at 18. None whatsoever.

They finally figured that out mid-season and sent him back to Lethbridge. Then they called him back up and used him as a forward lol.

Peak Flyers development.

He was a second pair number 3 or 4 defensemen.
- jimbass1

He was awful. And teams that used him as a top-4 guy suffered for it.

Morin was just unfortunate tearing his knee up.
- jimbass1

Morin never had the upside to justify a lottery pick. Just another Dylan McIlrath. Only a management team still reeling from losing Pronger would make that kind of pick.

Tippett has just had no consistency, he looks great and then he’s a bit sloppy. Potential is there but he’s never going to be a go to guy or the main force on a line. His ceiling is more in line of a Jake debrusk. Good compliment player to a top 6.

Agree, but you cannot properly evaluate any young player on a losing team, one with this many holes. The play surrounding Tippett is not stable enough to provide a consistent enough environment for players to develop, because they have to be concerned with keeping things afloat when they're on the ice. It is a difficult situation to grow in.
I think a lot of the young players who are on the "cusp" of getting to the next level are being impeded by the team's overall lack of effectiveness. And now we've seen it several times in the last 2-3 years. So not only are we losing, but it is causing the young players to plateau and in some cases regress.

Well said, it is a true nightmare. I don't why we can see it, but apparently the Flyers brass does not. I sincerely hope the Fletcher and his staff finally wave the white flag and tank, its their only chance to salvage this. The injuries have actually helped the situation, not hurt it. If they hold out hope that someone Cam, Couts and Ellis will come back and play at a high level, and things will turn around, they are sadly mistaken!
- jd250

So, so, right, good point. Haven't we been down this Ellis road enough ? Or any of the injured players ? How many times is it necessary ? Most sports teams have a lot less patience than this. Why are we providing so much leniency ? Most owners would have punted by now, cutting losses to begin anew. I wonder if they'll realize it so late that it requires selling the team due to so much lost revenue putting them in the red. Then the fans will have nothing. This situation is mind boggling.

How does a single source in two years' time, go from labeling the moves of a franchise to putting them on a legitimate path to the Stanley Cup. To calling it a nightmare and stating that they have to completely change direction?

Agree, but you cannot properly evaluate any young player on a losing team, one with this many holes. The play surrounding Tippett is not stable enough to provide a consistent enough environment for players to develop, because they have to be concerned with keeping things afloat when they're on the ice. It is a difficult situation to grow in.
I think a lot of the young players who are on the "cusp" of getting to the next level are being impeded by the team's overall lack of effectiveness. And now we've seen it several times in the last 2-3 years. So not only are we losing, but it is causing the young players to plateau and in some cases regress.
- BluehorseShoe64

100% accurate.

Well said, it is a true nightmare. I don't why we can see it, but apparently the Flyers brass does not. I sincerely hope the Fletcher and his staff finally wave the white flag and tank, its their only chance to salvage this. The injuries have actually helped the situation, not hurt it. If they hold out hope that someone Cam, Couts and Ellis will come back and play at a high level, and things will turn around, they are sadly mistaken!
- jd250

Fletcher and his staff created this mess what makes you think that they can fix it?

Correct. One was average at best. One is the worst in franchise history.
- furio16

Sorry, but he also outperformed Homer. Also, if cap management was so easy, how is it that the « bias for action » guy screwed it up?

What a pass, what a goal

How does a single source in two years' time, go from labeling the moves of a franchise to putting them on a legitimate path to the Stanley Cup. To calling it a nightmare and stating that they have to completely change direction?
- MJL

I think the finger in the wind is the explanation for this.

I do not consider them full time NHL players. If not for injuries they are in the AHL. Sandstrom , who I like, is also borderline. Frost and Cates we shall see though will count them for now.
- furio16

You need to add Ersson, Sandstrom and Fedotov to this list.

I wasn't there, I don't know.
I don't think Gordon was a bad AHL coach and Lappy has stayed on since. Not sure what the other coaches are doing now.

Edit: and for the record, my comment was more about Hakstol. The ongoing Hextall arguments bore me. He's been gone 4 years. To me, bashing Hextall just takes some of the heat of Fletcher.
- rayc16

I agree about the Hextall bashing. The organization just sucks and frankly has for a long time. That is all there is to it. The current leader is clueless but the mixed messaging of hiring Torts and paying top dollar for bottom 6er instead of just going young and living with sucking for a while is a recipe for stasis that someone like him would never make. It tells me that the decision-makers behind this strategy still don’t understand how we got here or how we get out. Cliff is an errand boy for a group that is entirely out of touch.

What a pass, what a goal
- Tomahawk

The lead up to this goal was insane, Stu and G possibly not on the same page but worked out, or was it planned like that lol

Tippett has just had no consistency, he looks great and then he’s a bit sloppy. Potential is there but he’s never going to be a go to guy or the main force on a line. His ceiling is more in line of a Jake debrusk. Good compliment player to a top 6.

Agree, but you cannot properly evaluate any young player on a losing team, one with this many holes. The play surrounding Tippett is not stable enough to provide a consistent enough environment for players to develop, because they have to be concerned with keeping things afloat when they're on the ice. It is a difficult situation to grow in.
I think a lot of the young players who are on the "cusp" of getting to the next level are being impeded by the team's overall lack of effectiveness. And now we've seen it several times in the last 2-3 years. So not only are we losing, but it is causing the young players to plateau and in some cases regress.
- BluehorseShoe64

This is the best Tippett has looked in his entire career. I agree with your premise but it’s not impossible and unfortunately it’s something these players need to fight through. Tippett also couldn’t even crack the lineup when he was on a good team with a supporting cast so there’s that

The lead up to this goal was insane, Stu and G possibly not on the same page but worked out, or was it planned like that lol
- ClaudeFather

G flew the zone so early, guessing he had absolute confidence in Stutz and Chabot's ability to hang on and make the exit.

G flew the zone so early, guessing he had absolute confidence in Stutz and Chabot's ability to hang on and make the exit.


- Tomahawk

Looked like he was also expecting Stu to swoop down and grab that puck haha, he had to do a U turn. I’m glad G is doing so well, he looks great but that team has some serious holes and obviously the team success is seriously lacking. I don’t think they are far off though, some tinkering and they could be a good team.

Looked like he was also expecting Stu to swoop down and grab that puck haha, he had to do a U turn. I’m glad G is doing so well, he looks great but that team has some serious holes and obviously the team success is seriously lacking. I don’t think they are far off though, some tinkering and they could be a good team.
- ClaudeFather

Yeah, at the very least they have talent.

I'm so glad that G escaped this clown show... could you imagine him wasting the rest of his career playing caveman hockey under Torts?

Yeah, at the very least they have talent.

I'm so glad that G escaped this clown show... could you imagine him wasting the rest of his career playing caveman hockey under Torts?
- Tomahawk

I’m with ya. Watching the Flyers this year is a task, the lack of talent is hard to believe. Somehow Macewen is playing on a second line. Torts loves his guys. G-Cates-Macewen has a nice ring to it 😂😂

Sorry, but he also outperformed Homer. Also, if cap management was so easy, how is it that the « bias for action » guy screwed it up?
- iamscore2day

You can defend the below average Andy all you want. Homer got them much further than Ronald. So no he didn't outperform him.

Why do you keep thinking Ronald was a good GM by comparing him to Chuck. They both ruined this Franchise. One much more than the other.

Fletcher and his staff created this mess what makes you think that they can fix it?
- corduroy

I don't think they can fix it. I like Brent Flahr in terms of drafting and perhaps Briere might be a good GM someday, but Fletcher and staff must go. They have no track record either here or in Minnesota as ever building a real contender, and at this point they have done nothing to deserve more time. I have posted many times that Fletcher at this point needs to be removed as GM at a minimum.