Yes, and that's really the point. Overall, it wasn't about effort last year nor is it about it this year. Both teams played with effort. They lack talent. That's the issue and it has always been the issue. The same thing happened two seasons in a row. Some fans see early results and are fooled by it. As if something has changed. The first dozen or so games for most teams don't show anything.
- MJL

I don’t think many thought they would sustain winning. But the approach this year is better than prior years in terms of being able to win a hockey game. You can’t deny that. It might be boring and ugly but This roster should have next to no wins.

Disagree. Did you watch the games last season?
- furio16

Yea, the effort is a complete 180

It could turn out to be the same no doubt. But IMO Hextall stunk because of how his picks played out especially the 1st & 2nd rounders.

Rubestov
Patrick
Frost
Ratcliff
Laberge
NAK
Hagg
Morin
Stolarz

I will say the same if Chucks flame out the same way.
- Fopa21

How it played out yes.

At the time many were giving high praise for those picks. I dont see the same praise on national level for Chuck.

Pre Hextall.

I don’t think many thought they would sustain winning. But the approach this year is better than prior years in terms of being able to win a hockey game. You can’t deny that. It might be boring and ugly but This roster should have next to no wins.
- ClaudeFather

I can't deny that. I'm wondering how you can say that. It's identical to last year in terms of effort and how is the approach better? Goaltending is always an equalizer. That's how they have wins.

Effort is a twisted obsession this team has because of old men that refuse to get out of the way.

You had Bill singing in here how great it would be to have a team of overachievers succeed based on effort.

It's a dogpoop identity, that they refuse to admit needs to be let go.

Effort is a twisted obsession this team has because of old men that refuse to get out of the way.
- FlyerFan3260

Not just the team.

I can't deny that. I'm wondering how you can say that. It's identical to last year in terms of effort and how is the approach better? Goaltending is always an equalizer. That's how they have wins.
- MJL

The effort is 100% better. And it’s apart of the approach in general, he makes his teams harder to play against and with a weak roster you need that. They collapse a bit in the D zone but you can see a change in commitment in our zone and overall.

How often were slow starts a point of emphasis in prior years, how often have you said it this year?

The effort is 100% better. And it’s apart of the approach in general, he makes his teams harder to play against and with a weak roster you need that. They collapse a bit in the D zone but you can see a change in commitment in our zone and overall.
- ClaudeFather

No, it's not. How is this team hard to play against? They're completely passive in the defensive zone, neutral zone and on the PK. They don't pressure the puck. They're easy to play against.


It is remarkable how similar to this point, last's years team and this are. Some early season hot streaks by a few forwards along with early quality goaltending followed by a collapse once the rest of the league ramps it up.

No,it's not. How is this team hard to play against? They're completely passive in the defensive zone, neutral zone and on the PK. They don't pressure the puck. They're easy to play against.

- MJL

They currently deploy a lineup that includes Brown Macewen ND Sedlak Bellows, a washed up Braun, Seeler, and the list goes on. Do you expect this team to win or even look good? Now you are moving the goal posts again per usual.

Seeler has turned out to be a serviceable #6 dman it looks like. Under contract for peanuts next year as well. Coach and GM seem value him a lot.

Seeler has turned out to be a serviceable #6 dman it looks like. Under contract for peanuts next year as well. Coach and GM seem value him a lot.
- furio16

Him, and Risto recently have really turned their game around under Torts. To think that he hasn’t been better than whoever was coaching the past two years is foolish.

They currently deploy a lineup that includes Brown Macewen ND Sedlak Bellows, a washed up Braun, Seeler, and the list goes on. Do you expect this team to win or even look good? Now you are moving the goal posts again per usual.
- ClaudeFather

Really


So when I say that this team's issue is not about effort, it's about talent. I'm moving the goal posts. You've reinforced my point. Thanks

Really


So when I say that this team's issue is not about effort, it's about talent. I'm moving the goal posts. You've reinforced my point. Thanks
- MJL

Changing it again, you are saying this years team and the years prior are the same. That’s not true

Him, and Risto recently have really turned their game around under Torts. To think that he hasn’t been better than whoever was coaching the past two years is foolish.
- ClaudeFather

Seeler wasn't bad last year either is people are being honest.

I mentioned Risto earlier. He has played better in a 3rd pair sheltered role. Where he likely belongs with 15-17 minutes per game. Now back with Sanheim will he continue to play a more sound game?

Changing it again, you are saying this years team and the years prior are the same. That’s not true
- ClaudeFather

I haven't changed anything.



They're the same. To say that they are not, is simply ignoring the facts and sticking your head in the sand. Effort was not the issue last season and it's not the issue this season. The team's issue is not going to be fixed by effort.

I haven't changed anything.



They're the same. To say that they are not, is simply ignoring the facts and sticking your head in the sand. Effort was not the issue last season and it's not the issue this season.
- MJL

To say the effort is the same as last year is simply ignoring the facts and sticking your head in the sand.

To say the effort is the same as last year is simply ignoring the facts and sticking your head in the sand.
- furio16

He’s deep in it

Seeler wasn't bad last year either is people are being honest.

I mentioned Risto earlier. He has played better in a 3rd pair sheltered role. Where he likely belongs with 15-17 minutes per game. Now back with Sanheim will he continue to play a more sound game?
- furio16

Time will tell, thought that was his best game in a long time last night

York
Desnoyers
Attard
Gauthier
Brink
Forester
Andrea
Tuomaala
- Fopa21

Those are names of players who chuckles drafted. Not a single on has made a mark in the AHL yet alone the NHL. Cole Caufeild is a top 6 scorer in the NHL right now - chuckles could have drafted him but he didn’t

Those are names of players who chuckles drafted. Not a single on has made a mark in the AHL yet alone the NHL. Cole Caufeild is a top 6 scorer in the NHL right now - chuckles could have drafted him but he didn’t
- corduroy

Also replying to a source that doesn't even know what GM drafted what player.

Effort is a twisted obsession this team has because of old men that refuse to get out of the way.

You had Bill singing in here how great it would be to have a team of overachievers succeed based on effort.

It's a dogpoop identity, that they refuse to admit needs to be let go.
- FlyerFan3260

I said it was the Flyers best shot at being competitive, not "how great it would be".

And I'd still take being a team with identity and a plan for roster building beyond flushing entire years down the toilet and simply praying year after year for lottery luck with zero long range guarantees on the other side.

Honestly, who cares if this year's team is playing with more effort? If you truly believe that, then it should be painfully obvious that the whole "effort" initiative isn't worth jack squat. At best, it's the only marketing angle left for a team that doesn't have anything to sell except concessions and merchandise.

I said it was the Flyers best shot at being competitive, not "how great it would be".

And I'd still take being a team with identity and a plan for roster building beyond flushing entire years down the toilet and simply praying year after year for lottery luck with zero long range guarantees on the other side.
- bmeltzer

Unfortunately, the Flyers have elected to decline both of these options!

I said it was the Flyers best shot at being competitive, not "how great it would be".

And I'd still take being a team with identity and a plan for roster building beyond flushing entire years down the toilet and simply praying year after year for lottery luck with zero long range guarantees on the other side.
- bmeltzer

Because this bullpoop plan of trying to be competitive while retooling has worked wonders.

It’s not about actually building a winner though is it? It’s more about the country club continuing to eat out of Snider’s trough like the pigs they are.

When is accountability coming to the front office or say developmental departments?