Great news, now 4 teams below the Flyers are within 2 points of passing them. With this 5 game home stand, keep those losses piling up.

#SillyForFantilli

I think the finger in the wind is the explanation for this.
- iamscore2day

I will respond here since the coward doesn't have the decency to criticize me directly.

No, not at all! I base my conclusion on facts, and once I draw a conclusion I don't change it unless new facts surface. Unlike the coward, I gave Fletcher a fair chance to come here and move this franchise forward. I accepted the changes he made and hoped they would move this team forward. His changes didn't work. Injuries and an NHL shutdown were a big part of it. But my decision of Fletcher changed because of this actions after this happened. His refusal to alter course when it was clear the team as constituted was not good enough was the thing that got me. He resigns Risto, signs DeAngelo and signs Sanheim to a ridiculous contract, then wonders why he doesn't have cap space for a player like Johnny G. There is no plan here, and that is why Fletcher has to go.

I’m with ya. Watching the Flyers this year is a task, the lack of talent is hard to believe. Somehow Macewen is playing on a second line. Torts loves his guys. G-Cates-Macewen has a nice ring to it 😂😂
- ClaudeFather

This franchise never entered the 21st century. They just keep doubling down on truculence and stupid. Torts is the shining example.

Great news, now 4 teams below the Flyers are within 2 points of passing them. With this 5 game home stand, keep those losses piling up.

#SillyForFantilli
- Trox88

I don't think they can fix it. I like Brent Flahr in terms of drafting and perhaps Briere might be a good GM someday, but Fletcher and staff must go. They have no track record either here or in Minnesota as ever building a real contender, and at this point they have done nothing to deserve more time. I have posted many times that Fletcher at this point needs to be removed as GM at a minimum.
- jd250

Yet you believed in and defended ad nauseam the moves that chuckles made

You can defend the below average Andy all you want. Homer got them much further than Ronald. So no he didn't outperform him.

Why do you keep thinking Ronald was a good GM by comparing him to Chuck. They both ruined this Franchise. One much more than the other.
- furio16

Homer got them much further into the sh**hole, I will give you that. He destroyed the farm system, put us in salary-cap purgatory and traded away many picks. In exchange for all of that, we had a 1-year run to the finals. That is just no way to run a railroad in my view.

Frankly, that whole perspective on team building is what has ruined the franchise since the late 80s. Making a deep run in a single year is not the same thing as sustained excellence. That is what this team was about in the 80s. We had a ton of home grown talent and added a few pieces. Bad officiating in an SC and the Islanders and Oilers dynasties are the main reasons why we did not win more cups.

Since then, we have searched for the FA messiah to deliver us a cup instead of developing a mass of talent and adding some key pieces through trades. Hexy was far from perfect but he understood that the Flyers model would never deliver a truly great team.

Now we are in purgatory and likely to stay there for a while. But if you liked Homer, then you should like this group because you seem to share the same outlook on what is « success. »

This franchise never entered the 21st century. They just keep doubling down on truculence and stupid. Torts is the shining example.
- Tomahawk

I really, really don't understand all the Tort's bashing. Yes, I haven't liked some of his moves, especially his decisions on players in OT, but really, what the hell do you expect him to do with this roster? What??

You acknowledge Torts has barely a lineup of NHL forwards yet you bash him for playing them? Our young players are playing on the Phantoms and being given a chance to develop away from this crap-show that is the Flyers. Torts had the balls to sit down Risto and then move him to the 3rd pairing, something many of you have been calling for for over 1 year. Tippet and Cates are growing leaps and bounds this year so far. Hayes is a point/game player for the first time in his career. Heck, Torts even gave Frost a look at 1C, which of course he couldn't handle. What else can he possibly do with the lineup he has?

Torts is not the GM, and is thus not responsible for the players he has to play with. He is not on the medical staff and thus is not responsible for player injuries. He is the head coach that is doing the best he can with the players he has. In fact, I worry he will over-achieve, which is the last thing this franchise needs right now!

This franchise never entered the 21st century. They just keep doubling down on truculence and stupid. Torts is the shining example.
- Tomahawk

100% right. The current group has not learned and apparently never will.

Homer got them much further into the sh**hole, I will give you that. He destroyed the farm system, put us in salary-cap purgatory and traded away many picks. In exchange for all of that, we had a 1-year run to the finals. That is just no way to run a railroad in my view.

Frankly, that whole perspective on team building is what has ruined the franchise since the late 80s. Making a deep run in a single year is not the same thing as sustained excellence. That is what this team was about in the 80s. We had a ton of home grown talent and added a few pieces. Bad officiating in an SC and the Islanders and Oilers dynasties are the main reasons why we did not win more cups.

Since then, we have searched for the FA messiah to deliver us a cup instead of developing a mass of talent and adding some key pieces through trades. Hexy was far from perfect but he understood that the Flyers model would never deliver a truly great team.

Now we are in purgatory and likely to stay there for a while. But if you liked Homer, then you should like this group because you seem to share the same outlook on what is « success. »
- iamscore2day

Had Pronger not got injured they are still a very strong team. Homer was far better than Ronny.

Yet you believed in and defended ad nauseam the moves that chuckles made
- corduroy

I gave him a fair shot and hoped, as any real fan would, that he would move this franchise forward. He has failed! I acknowledge that and now I want to see him replaced. Is this so hard to believe or understand? Some on here, a single source in fact, was so upset that his idol and hero Hextall was fired, he was openly rooting for Fletcher to fail. Is this what you condone? Because when Fletcher fails, the Flyers fail, and we as fans are left living this nightmare!

You need to add Ersson, Sandstrom and Fedotov to this list.
- iamscore2day

Let me know when Ersson and Fedotov are NHL regulars then I will add them to the list.

Frank unpacking the flyers.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OB_4T9lOrEU

Homer got them much further into the sh**hole, I will give you that. He destroyed the farm system, put us in salary-cap purgatory and traded away many picks. In exchange for all of that, we had a 1-year run to the finals. That is just no way to run a railroad in my view.

Frankly, that whole perspective on team building is what has ruined the franchise since the late 80s. Making a deep run in a single year is not the same thing as sustained excellence. That is what this team was about in the 80s. We had a ton of home grown talent and added a few pieces. Bad officiating in an SC and the Islanders and Oilers dynasties are the main reasons why we did not win more cups.

Since then, we have searched for the FA messiah to deliver us a cup instead of developing a mass of talent and adding some key pieces through trades. Hexy was far from perfect but he understood that the Flyers model would never deliver a truly great team.

Now we are in purgatory and likely to stay there for a while. But if you liked Homer, then you should like this group because you seem to share the same outlook on what is « success. »
- iamscore2day

Repeat after me, Hextall was a bad GM during his time running the Flyers.

You brought up Homer. Not me.

Yet you believed in and defended ad nauseam the moves that chuckles made
- corduroy

Can't make it up. Defended him until no longer being able to. Put the team on the path to the cup. Changed the culture. Injuries! Now it's he never built a contender anywhere including Minnesota. That must be new information just revealed in the equation.

I gave him a fair shot and hoped, as any real fan would, that he would move this franchise forward. He has failed! I acknowledge that and now I want to see him replaced. Is this so hard to believe or understand? Some on here, a single source in fact, was so upset that his idol and hero Hextall was fired, he was openly rooting for Fletcher to fail. Is this what you condone? Because when Fletcher fails, the Flyers fail, and we as fans are left living this nightmare!
- jd250

No one had to root for him to fail, some understood it was inevitable. He should have never been hired based on his performance in Minnesota. A leopard does not change his spots - only a fool would think that chuckles had the ability to succeed here

Had Pronger not got injured they are still a very strong team. Homer was far better than Ronny.
- ClaudeFather

Okay, thanks for confirming. First, please stop criticizing the current regime as you share their views about how to win in this league. You don’t have a philosophical disagreement, you just think smart management could do this two-step better.

BTW, Pronger was old when we signed him. It was not a smart plan. Injuries in older players are foreseeable. Plus, our goaltending sucked and he did not fix it. He also compounded his problems by not understanding the contract ramifications of the 7-year extension he gave to a 35 year old player. « Far better » - LOL.

No one had to root for him to fail, some understood it was inevitable. He should have never been hired based on his performance in Minnesota. A leopard does not change his spots - only a fool would think that chuckles had the ability to succeed here
- corduroy

Nobody rooted for Fletcher to fail. Some such as I realized the reality of the situation and that the moves to trade for Atkinson, Ellis and Ristolainen were far more likely to damage the Flyers future chances than to help it. While others thought that it changed the Flyers culture and put the team on the path to the Cup!

No one had to root for him to fail, some understood it was inevitable. He should have never been hired based on his performance in Minnesota. A leopard does not change his spots - only a fool would think that chuckles had the ability to succeed here
- corduroy

Well, that is actually no true. Belichick had 5 years as head coach of the Browns and they had one decent season. He gets hired as the Jets coach and resigns the same day. Then comes to New England and wins 6 super bowls while competing in 9 total. So its certainly true that someone can learn from their prior experiences and be successful. In fact, the world is full of people who have done so, and these are the ones that own Twitter and build rockets. The fact is, after mediocrity in Minnesota and now 3+ years here in Philly, its time to move on from Fletcher, excuses be dammed.

Okay, thanks for confirming. First, please stop criticizing the current regime as you share their views about how to win in this league. You don’t have a philosophical disagreement, you just think smart management could do this two-step better.

BTW, Pronger was old when we signed him. It was not a smart plan. Injuries in older players are foreseeable. Plus, our goaltending sucked and he did not fix it. He also compounded his problems by not understanding the contract ramifications of the 7-year extension he gave to a 35 year old player. « Far better » - LOL.
- iamscore2day

First paragraph is pure nonsense but I wouldn’t expect anything more. He went down with a weird eye/concussion injury, had nothing to do with his age. Ronny doing great in Pitt too 😂 keep defending

First paragraph is pure nonsense but I wouldn’t expect anything more. He went down with a weird eye/concussion injury, had nothing to do with his age. Ronny doing great in Pitt too 😂 keep defending
- ClaudeFather

Pronger was still playing at a very high level when he got hurt. Who knows how the rest of his career would've gone if he hadn't gotten injured.

First paragraph is pure nonsense but I wouldn’t expect anything more. He went down with a weird eye/concussion injury, had nothing to do with his age. Ronny doing great in Pitt too 😂 keep defending
- ClaudeFather

Glad not to disappoint you. Not surprised you can’t see reality. 5 for 1 for a 34 year old defenseman was and remains a bad decision. Saying that the problem was not Hexy is not the same thing as defending Hexy.

Well, that is actually no true. Belichick had 5 years as head coach of the Browns and they had one decent season. He gets hired as the Jets coach and resigns the same day. Then comes to New England and wins 6 super bowls while competing in 9 total. So its certainly true that someone can learn from their prior experiences and be successful. In fact, the world is full of people who have done so, and these are the ones that own Twitter and build rockets. The fact is, after mediocrity in Minnesota and now 3+ years here in Philly, its time to move on from Fletcher, excuses be dammed.
- jd250

way to compare a coach to a GM -- that is like blaming Torts for the lack of talent on this roster

Pronger was still playing at a very high level when he got hurt. Who knows how the rest of his career would've gone if he hadn't gotten injured.
- MJL

Probably as well as most of the high-end 34 year old players. Not going to improve but even flat-lining would be okay but it was not going to be enough to get them over the hump against a team built like the Blackhawks, Kings or Bruins. When he got an injury (predictable enough, though the specific type was unpredictable), we were in a bad place. Putting so much of your eggs in that basket was the problem with that plan.

Pronger was still playing at a very high level when he got hurt. Who knows how the rest of his career would've gone if he hadn't gotten injured.
- MJL

Exactly

I really, really don't understand all the Tort's bashing. Yes, I haven't liked some of his moves, especially his decisions on players in OT, but really, what the hell do you expect him to do with this roster? What??

You acknowledge Torts has barely a lineup of NHL forwards yet you bash him for playing them? Our young players are playing on the Phantoms and being given a chance to develop away from this crap-show that is the Flyers. Torts had the balls to sit down Risto and then move him to the 3rd pairing, something many of you have been calling for for over 1 year. Tippet and Cates are growing leaps and bounds this year so far. Hayes is a point/game player for the first time in his career. Heck, Torts even gave Frost a look at 1C, which of course he couldn't handle. What else can he possibly do with the lineup he has?

Torts is not the GM, and is thus not responsible for the players he has to play with. He is not on the medical staff and thus is not responsible for player injuries. He is the head coach that is doing the best he can with the players he has. In fact, I worry he will over-achieve, which is the last thing this franchise needs right now!
- jd250

My issue is with the team hiring Torts in the first place.

Torts is Torts. He's a win now coach trying to win now. He's doing exactly what everybody expected him to do.

Just the wrong coach for where the team is right now. Just another misstep in a long line of Flyers missteps over the past 15-20 years.