Which is why the absolute worst thing than can happen is just promoting Briere.

Nothing changes if that happens, but it only appears as a matter of time now. Danny is not coming in, and firing the men around him that got him the job.

It’s also exactly why he gets the job. He keeps the country club alive, and fed.
- FlyerFan3260

No doubt. If Briere was doing what he should be doing. Which is essentially telling them how screwed up they are. That wouldn't be tolerated, and he would not be there.

No doubt. If Briere was doing what he should be doing. Which is essentially telling them how screwed up they are. That wouldn't be tolerated, and he would not be there.
- MJL

Incestous is the word that comes to mind with the way this organization is run.

Want proof? Watch what happens the day Chuck is removed from his GM position. A whole lot of nothing else.

There are some who will tell you that Fletcher was a smart hire, a gamble on a new voice external to the Flyers.

Bob Clarke I’m sure had nothing to do with that hire.

I don’t think Torts is a stupid hire. I think it’s yet to be seen if the hire is bad. I think we’d be seeing the same results under any coach. What we do know is, Fletcher is a bad GM.

I don’t think Torts is a stupid hire. I think it’s yet to be seen if the hire is bad. I think we’d be seeing the same results under any coach. What we do know is, Fletcher is a bad GM.
- SuperSchennBros

If you don’t want to state it so soon into his time with the team I can understand.

I have zero qualms about making that statement. One only needs to look at what the men in power are trying to build here to know why.

Torts fits their goals perfectly, hence the hire. He is a piece of poop when it comes to development in 2022, and extracting creative skill from a young athlete.

A win now, outdated, and archaic bumhole of a coach.

Torts was, and is a stupid hire for a team that should be rebuilding. His early season treatment of Frost, Zamula, York, and Allison are just recent examples of who he is.

This bullpoop that he some some sort of hockey wizard, is nothing but propaganda the team put out in the summer desperate to market itself.

He is a “win now” coach, with an outdated approach to the game, that is unable to properly develop today’s athlete or extract creative talent.

Don’t fall for the nonsense that his Columbus tenure was something to aspire to. He’s an bumhole, that will show his true colors even more as someone who doesn’t know a lick about the modern game, or athlete in 2022.

They liked him because he validated their beliefs about overvaluing effort, and a return to Bob Clarke hockey. Nothing more.
- FlyerFan3260

I'm not disagreeing that Torts may have been a bad hire. My commentary is specifically related to the relationship of Torts to CF and his incompetence. Another way to put it is that Torts will absolutely control who gets on the ice and who does not and how much playing time they get regardless of what CF has to say about it. And, considering that CF must be on the hot seat for his job at this point, CF is likely to follow along with what Torts wants rather than just do as he pleases and force the coach to work with whatever he gives him. In the short run, Torts will work with what he has, but he's also been vocal about some players that are not going to be a part of the team he envisions going forward. What's CF going to do when Torts starts telling him to get rid of a player or he's simply not going to play that player? My original point was regarding this dilemma and the resulting internal war that will take place. That's all.

I'm not disagreeing that Torts may have been a bad hire. My commentary is specifically related to the relationship of Torts to CF and his incompetence. Another way to put it is that Torts will absolutely control who gets on the ice and who does not and how much playing time they get regardless of what CF has to say about it. And, considering that CF must be on the hot seat for his job at this point, CF is likely to follow along with what Torts wants rather than just do as he pleases and force the coach to work with whatever he gives him. In the short run, Torts will work with what he has, but he's also been vocal about some players that are not going to be a part of the team he envisions going forward. What's CF going to do when Torts starts telling him to get rid of a player or he's simply not going to play that player? My original point was regarding this dilemma and the resulting internal war that will take place. That's all.
- Letterkenney

Apologize if my response seemed to target you, was not.

It is an interesting concept to wonder what happens if Torts tells Fletcher that Hayes or Ristolainen shouldn’t be near the team next season.

You cannot move either player without significant sweeteners. Not happening.

Apologize if my response seemed to target you, was not.

It is an interesting concept to wonder what happens if Torts tells Fletcher that Hayes or Ristolainen shouldn’t be near the team next season.

You cannot move either player without significant sweeteners. Not happening.
- FlyerFan3260

I know! And therein lies the root of the problem and the beginning of the internal wars to come. At least this will be interesting to chat about this season because the hockey will not be.

I know! And therein lies the root of the problem and the beginning of the internal wars to come. At least this will be interesting to chat about this season because the hockey will not be.

- Letterkenney

It doesn’t even matter, no one is taking those contracts.

I was at the Phantoms game last night in WB. Left when it was 2-0 with less than 10 minutes in 3rd. They lost in shootout.

Forester and Destroyer had goals. Really surprised with Foresters skating. Looked poor. Not sure what the scouting report is on that. Labored just to glide. Not sure if he was injured.

Zamula looked good. Attard too. Thought Belpido was the best skating d. York was okay. He's a smooth skater. Only stood out in warm ups with his accuracy.

Ratcliffe just doesn't look like a prospect. Lycksell looked okay. Nagle played goal. Backed up by a name I didn't recognize. Artemis A. Didn't dominate face-off like I thought he should.

I do think Provy, DeAngelo, and Sanheim could be moved if a GM wanted to reshape the roster. DeAngelo cap hit and term is not an anchor. Provy would be a 2nd pair asset on a playoff team. His cap hit and term are not too bad and he plays every game. Sanheim did sign the extension, but it was market similiar to the Weeger contract in CAL. I'm not suggesting a great return, but a GM is going to have to break this core up that has been thru all of this losing. I agree Risto and Hayes will be very hard to move.

I was at the Phantoms game last night in WB. Left when it was 2-0 with less than 10 minutes in 3rd. They lost in shootout.

Forester and Destroyer had goals. Really surprised with Foresters skating. Looked poor. Not sure what the scouting report is on that. Labored just to glide. Not sure if he was injured.

Zamula looked good. Attard too. Thought Belpido was the best skating d. York was okay. He's a smooth skater. Only stood out in warm ups with his accuracy.

Ratcliffe just doesn't look like a prospect. Lycksell looked okay. Nagle played goal. Backed up by a name I didn't recognize. Artemis A. Didn't dominate face-off like I thought he should.
- cdearth23

The knock on Foerster was always his skating.

I do think Provy, DeAngelo, and Sanheim could be moved if a GM wanted to reshape the roster. DeAngelo cap hit and term is not an anchor. Provy would be a 2nd pair asset on a playoff team. His cap hit and term are not too bad and he plays every game. Sanheim did sign the extension, but it was market similiar to the Weeger contract in CAL. I'm not suggesting a great return, but a GM is going to have to break this core up that has been thru all of this losing. I agree Risto and Hayes will be very hard to move.
- Trox88

Moving Sanheim at this point would be fairly funny. There was no reason rush out to sign him to a massive extension. You try to trade him now, and you get substantially less if he was moved without the crazy term.

The only pieces with value really are Provorov, Konecny, and TD. I don't see the Flyers willing to move any of them, as I am sure they believe they can be competitive again next season. The beats will be given their marching orders to make people believe that after the team signs another stupid contract for Horvat or O'Reilly in the off season.

The knock on Foerster was always his skating.
- FlyerFan3260

It was obvious even to me. Nice size. Good hands. Elliot D. Is slightly smaller but skates much better.

Are you going to answer the question since it’s so easy? And not hard to figure out. Who on the Flyers deserves 17 minutes a night? I’ll wait.
- landros 2

What part of young players are you struggling with? Frost Tippet Cates Tanner Farabee. Don’t give me the BS “deserves” nonsense. It is about evaluating the players to move this team forward. See how many can help and in what way in the future.

Now go back and answer my questions that we’re asked to you.

Moving Sanheim at this point would be fairly funny. There was no reason rush out to sign him to a massive extension. You try to trade him now, and you get substantially less if he was moved without the crazy term.

The only pieces with value really are Provorov, Konecny, and TD. I don't see the Flyers willing to move any of them, as I am sure they believe they can be competitive again next season. The beats will be given their marching orders to make people believe that after the team signs another stupid contract for Horvat or O'Reilly in the off season.
- FlyerFan3260

I'd be interested in seeing what the value is for DeAngelo. He's pretty good with the puck but he's pretty bad without it. Not sure how many teams would be willing to take on the extra year.

Moving Sanheim at this point would be fairly funny. There was no reason rush out to sign him to a massive extension. You try to trade him now, and you get substantially less if he was moved without the crazy term.

The only pieces with value really are Provorov, Konecny, and TD. I don't see the Flyers willing to move any of them, as I am sure they believe they can be competitive again next season. The beats will be given their marching orders to make people believe that after the team signs another stupid contract for Horvat or O'Reilly in the off season.
- FlyerFan3260

You hit the nail on the head. They don’t want to move these players. None of which will ever help turn this team around. All have value league wide. Add possibly Laughton as well.

Wonder if they can trade Torts to the Leafs????

I don’t think Torts is a stupid hire. I think it’s yet to be seen if the hire is bad. I think we’d be seeing the same results under any coach. What we do know is, Fletcher is a bad GM.
- SuperSchennBros

I agree with this. It was a very surprising decision to hire him and he is so outspoken that I can’t believe Chuck and team chose him.

I'd be interested in seeing what the value is for DeAngelo. He's pretty good with the puck but he's pretty bad without it. Not sure how many teams would be willing to take on the extra year.
- MJL

Extra year at 5 million isn’t much at all. Can also take back some money. He is tradable if they wanted to move him.

What part of young players are you struggling with? Frost Tippet Cates Tanner Farabee. Don’t give me the BS “deserves” nonsense. It is about evaluating the players to move this team forward. See how many can help and in what way in the future.

Now go back and answer my questions that we’re asked to you.
- furio16

So you don’t think he’s evaluated a fairly young ZM and decided there’s more there? It’s not like he’s much older than Tanner, Allison and Tippet. I see a lot of the guys you mentioned making the same mistakes over and over. I’m hoping everyone of the guys you mentioned play more than ZM… as I said I don’t think you can win with ZM playing that much. As far as “what part of young players am I struggling with”… the answers none…. None of the guys you mentioned get or deserve 17 minutes a night right now. I think ant answer for any question you have for me is in that statement…of course that’s just my opinion.

If you don’t want to state it so soon into his time with the team I can understand.

I have zero qualms about making that statement. One only needs to look at what the men in power are trying to build here to know why.

Torts fits their goals perfectly, hence the hire. He is a piece of poop when it comes to development in 2022, and extracting creative skill from a young athlete.

A win now, outdated, and archaic bumhole of a coach.
- FlyerFan3260

Call me crazy but I’m sensing that you may not like the guy.

So you don’t think he’s evaluated a fairly young ZM and decided there’s more there? It’s not like he’s much older than Tanner, Allison and Tippet. I see a lot of the guys you mentioned making the same mistakes over and over. I’m hoping everyone of the guys you mentioned play more than ZM… as I said I don’t think you can win with ZM playing that much. As far as “what part of young players am I struggling with”… the answers none…. None of the guys you mentioned get or deserve 17 minutes a night right now. I think ant answer for any question you have for me is in that statement…of course that’s just my opinion.
- landros 2

You clearly don’t grasp it is about evaluating.

I think the coach likes a certain type of player no matter if that player is good bad or indifferent. He will play said player over others no matter what. He is not a good coach for where the Flyers are at and where they are a headed.

So you don’t think he’s evaluated a fairly young ZM and decided there’s more there? It’s not like he’s much older than Tanner, Allison and Tippet. I see a lot of the guys you mentioned making the same mistakes over and over. I’m hoping everyone of the guys you mentioned play more than ZM… as I said I don’t think you can win with ZM playing that much. As far as “what part of young players am I struggling with”… the answers none…. None of the guys you mentioned get or deserve 17 minutes a night right now. I think ant answer for any question you have for me is in that statement…of course that’s just my opinion.
- landros 2

The issue with Torts, and his mystical development is that the appearance of effort is king above all.

Which is completely asinine. You can play like dogpoop, but if you play North/South while looking busy. You're in.

The issue with Torts, and his mystical development is that the appearance of effort is king above all.

Which is completely asinine. You can play like dogpoop, but if you play North/South while looking busy. You're in.
- FlyerFan3260

It's funny but I laughed at all of the comments made during the early season of how this team is different. How Tortorella has them playing with more effort. This team isn't different from last year. It's the same, only lacking a player of Giroux's quality.

Moving Sanheim at this point would be fairly funny. There was no reason rush out to sign him to a massive extension. You try to trade him now, and you get substantially less if he was moved without the crazy term.

The only pieces with value really are Provorov, Konecny, and TD. I don't see the Flyers willing to move any of them, as I am sure they believe they can be competitive again next season. The beats will be given their marching orders to make people believe that after the team signs another stupid contract for Horvat or O'Reilly in the off season.
- FlyerFan3260

We'll see. I think the next GM will be outside the organization and we will see what authority is given over the roster. First step is the firing of Fletcher which I still do believe will happen.

It's funny but I laughed at all of the comments made during the early season of how this team is different. How Tortorella has them playing with more effort. This team isn't different from last year. It's the same, only lacking a player of Giroux's quality.
- MJL

I don’t like being this way, I have some great memories watching this team but it’s just gone to hell after Hextall was fired. Ron had flaws most definitely, but this is much worse.

We used to laugh at teams like Buffalo, but quite honestly they are a much better run organization, and a more entertaining product as of now.

Take out the aura from the Flyers heyday that is quickly fading as is. This is a bottom of the barrel organization that’s beyond lucky there are some with loyalty to it. No new fans are being attracted to this.

Dave Scott, and Comcast have allowed it to get out of control. Ownership needed to step in a long time ago because the fools running this thing don’t have a clue.

They have cap space next summer, that’s a terrifying thought.