Your headline is false, they didnt "try to cheat".
They simply scored 3 goals that were overturned as the refs deemed their was an infraction either just before or during.
- Fakepartofme

Not much of a headline writer.

“Devils Fans Throw Trash on Ice But Are Forced to Take Wives Back”

The Leafs once had Schenn as their "franchise" defenseman and traded him for their "franchise" winger JVR.
- AdamFrench

They are both in their 30s

Timmins just turned 24

Not even remotely the same thing

Also if I could have JVR and Schenns career for the price of Douglas I do that all day

It's a paradox. I'm not sure how to proceed.
- mjones242

Small steps. Make an assertion, I’ll contradict it and we’ll just go from there

They are both in their 30s

Timmins just turned 24

Not even remotely the same thing

Also if I could have JVR and Schenns career for the price of Douglas I do that all day
- Santo_44

Schenn and JVR weren't in their 30's. It was a huge one for one deal. Neither were what either team hoped for. Though JVR gave some good years.

Percy-Dermott was supposed to be a great second pair when drafted

Schenn and JVR weren't in their 30's. It was a huge one for one deal.
- AdamFrench

I don't understand your point.

Both players had potential, JVR worked out really well for the Leafs.

Schenn turned into a 3rd pairing D.

Having potential is good.

Not having potential is bad.

Percy-Dermott was supposed to be a great second pair when drafted
- AdamFrench

Rielly was supposed to be a top pairing d man for the Leafs.

Oh.

Easy to play that game.

Rielly was supposed to be a top pairing d man for the Leafs.

Oh.

Easy to play that game.
- Santo_44

Your thing was that some guy thought Makar-Timmins would be the backend of the Avalanche for the next decade. Which is what happens during a draft. Timmins was a great prospect. He has been blown up 4 times. The trade is nothing, a marginal AHLer for a better AHLer.

The game is that talking about 2017 draft profiles isn't relevant.

Your thing was that some guy thought Makar-Timmins would be the backend of the Avalanche for the next decade. Which is what happens during a draft. Timmins was a great prospect. He has been blown up 4 times. The trade is nothing, a marginal AHLer for a better AHLer.

The game is that talking about 2017 draft profiles isn't relevant.
- AdamFrench

I disagree with your evaluation on Timmins.

When he has played in the NHL he has looked like an NHLer, sheltered mins or not that does not matter.

Very much disagree with you. ARZ had too many D on the roster that were not waiver exempt and had to trade him. Timmins potential is higher than Douglas and has shown he can play at an NHL level already where Douglas has not.

He isnt valued the same as he once was but the potential remains, and is most certainly an intriguing option.

Keefe seems to disagree with you as well, the guy who makes the decisions so looks like your opinion will be challenged in the NHL and not the AHL

I disagree with your evaluation on Timmins.

When he has played in the NHL he has looked like an NHLer, sheltered mins or not that does not matter.

Very much disagree with you. ARZ had too many D on the roster that were not waiver exempt and had to trade him. Timmins potential is higher than Douglas and has shown he can play at an NHL level already where Douglas has not.

He isnt valued the same as he once was but the potential remains, and is most certainly an intriguing option.

Keefe seems to disagree with you as well, the guy who makes the decisions so looks like your opinion will be challenged in the NHL and not the AHL
- Santo_44

I mean, you just said it. ARIZONA had TOO MANY D?

ARIZONA? The team that sucks (frank)ing ass and was expected to be the worst team in the league had TOOO MANY DDDDDDDDDDDDD? Come on. This is dumb. I hope he's great and his injuries are over and this is a steal because he truly was a great prospect 4 years ago. Hell, if he's a great AHL defender, I'll be happy. I just don't get this weird poop going on where Dubas fleeced the pants off somebody or lost the deal of a lifetime in an AHL swap.

I mean, you just said it. ARIZONA had TOO MANY D?

ARIZONA? The team that sucks (frank)ing ass and was expected to be the worst team in the league had TOOO MANY DDDDDDDDDDDDD? Come on. This is dumb. I hope he's great and his injuries are over and this is a steal because he truly was a great prospect 4 years ago. Hell, if he's a great AHL defender, I'll be happy. I just don't get this weird poop going on where Dubas fleeced the pants off somebody or lost the deal of a lifetime in an AHL swap.
- AdamFrench

They have Chychrun and a bunch of 4-7 D men. Yes.

You can be the worst team in the league and still have valuable D. You can have a collection of number 5 D and have the worst d in the league but every single one be of value to another team. So thats irrelevant.

It is fair for anyone to see his potential, Dubas and Keefe sure did. Will he do well? We will see but he has the tools and the Leafs have the opportunity to work with him.

Did Dubas fleece ARZ? not yet but the potential for this deal to be a fleecing is there. Not that Arizona had much of a choice.

They got a cheap AHL salary and a player that could maybe be a 4C one day.

32 GMs are choosing Timmins over Douglas if they had the spots for both.

I mean, you just said it. ARIZONA had TOO MANY D?

ARIZONA? The team that sucks (frank)ing ass and was expected to be the worst team in the league had TOOO MANY DDDDDDDDDDDDD? Come on. This is dumb. I hope he's great and his injuries are over and this is a steal because he truly was a great prospect 4 years ago. Hell, if he's a great AHL defender, I'll be happy. I just don't get this weird poop going on where Dubas fleeced the pants off somebody or lost the deal of a lifetime in an AHL swap.
- AdamFrench

Pretty sure Dubas did fleece him, because Dubas phoned Timmins’ mom and asked her how many times he had mono. And Soo Greyhounds, so we win.

I don’t even think Douglas is an AHL player anymore - he seriously sucks. He keeps getting chances to play in the AHL because he is tall.

Just saw the video clips of the Devils fans last night.

Holy frank, that’s embarrassing.

2-3 years ago Colorado had Makar-Timmins as their number 1 pair.

Just 2 years ago he was a big piece for ARZ in the Kuemper trade and was ranked 6th on their top 25 under 25.

The potential is there, with all the injuries they have an opportunity to play him and try and develop him.

Douglas was cool to have but he has been far behind too many Marlies this season who are playing well.
- Santo_44

Not entirely true.
Some guy on twitter had timmins as a top line dman with makar.
Hope it works out, but prior to the trade no one cared or thought of timmins.
Hope he recovers from his injuries and actually plays in the nhl for the leafs. But for now its meh trade for a often injured depth d.

I'm not so sure, I heard about the looked up Timmins for the first time today on hockeydb and he doesn't impress me.
- TheMussel

Okay. Well those familiar with him moreso than a hockeydb search know that he was shaping up to be a solid dman at one point. Lije he was starting to show top pairing potential. That may be all lost but at the cost of Curtis Douglas its a good trade to me

And im not knocking curtis douglas. Ive seen reports he was developing reasonably wrll and may be of use at some point.

Not entirely true.
Some guy on twitter had timmins as a top line dman with makar.
Hope it works out, but prior to the trade no one cared or thought of timmins.
Hope he recovers from his injuries and actually plays in the nhl for the leafs. But for now its meh trade for a often injured depth d.
- Fakepartofme

Scouts did, maybe they had twitter at the time dunno

Also once he showed he was healthy on his conditioning stint people cared.

Good trade for Dubas.

I mean, you just said it. ARIZONA had TOO MANY D?

ARIZONA? The team that sucks (frank)ing ass and was expected to be the worst team in the league had TOOO MANY DDDDDDDDDDDDD? Come on. This is dumb. I hope he's great and his injuries are over and this is a steal because he truly was a great prospect 4 years ago. Hell, if he's a great AHL defender, I'll be happy. I just don't get this weird poop going on where Dubas fleeced the pants off somebody or lost the deal of a lifetime in an AHL swap.
- AdamFrench

I mean . . . I've said before that I always liked Timmins. I realize his injury history (concussion / knee) is a red flag, but he does have top-4 potential that could yet be realized. He's lost two full years of development due to injury as well as a year due to COVID protocols as well. At 24 and returning from a knee injury, Arizona wanted him to stay in the AHL because his 10 game conditioning stint didn't go well.

Realistically how a team vying to get Connor Bedard could look at a defenseman and think, "He's not ready to play for us," is a bit out of left field! If he's passed a physical, then he's worth that roll of the dice to me, despite his glaring injury history.

We all like the _idea_ of what Douglas brings. A 6'9 guy who picks up small defensemen by one leg and hurls them over the glass and into the first row. Well his type used to, until they put up those pesky protective nets. But Douglas honestly isn't a very good skater nor is he particularly feisty or mean for a guy his size. He's meaner than Engvall, but so was Mister Rogers. He's only 22, though, so with his size, he could still be a solid bottom 6 guy in the NHL.

I guess to me if I can trade bottom-6 potential for top-4 D potential, I'd do it even knowing that my team needs some size and grit.

Okay. Well those familiar with him moreso than a hockeydb search know that he was shaping up to be a solid dman at one point. Lije he was starting to show top pairing potential. That may be all lost but at the cost of Curtis Douglas its a good trade to me

And im not knocking curtis douglas. Ive seen reports he was developing reasonably wrll and may be of use at some point.
- prock

Fans were up in arms for other fans calling the Murray trade good. Happens all the time.

There is potential and tools to work with. Dubas is confident in his medical staff and has built a good system to bring in these types of players and play them to their potential.

Its fair to not care about this trade, but plenty do and for good reason.

Okay. Well those familiar with him moreso than a hockeydb search know that he was shaping up to be a solid dman at one point. Lije he was starting to show top pairing potential. That may be all lost but at the cost of Curtis Douglas its a good trade to me

And im not knocking curtis douglas. Ive seen reports he was developing reasonably wrll and may be of use at some point.
- prock

You should be knocking Douglas.

One assist this year in 13 AHL games.

He’s never going to play in the NHL.

I mean . . . I've said before that I always liked Timmins. I realize his injury history (concussion / knee) is a red flag, but he does have top-4 potential that could yet be realized. He's lost two full years of development due to injury as well as a year due to COVID protocols as well. At 24 and returning from a knee injury, Arizona wanted him to stay in the AHL because his 10 game conditioning stint didn't go well.

Realistically how a team vying to get Connor Bedard could look at a defenseman and think, "He's not ready to play for us," is a bit out of left field! If he's passed a physical, then he's worth that roll of the dice to me, despite his glaring injury history.

We all like the _idea_ of what Douglas brings. A 6'9 guy who picks up small defensemen by one leg and hurls them over the glass and into the first row. Well his type used to, until they put up those pesky protective nets. But Douglas honestly isn't a very good skater nor is he particularly feisty or mean for a guy his size. He's meaner than Engvall, but so was Mister Rogers. He's only 22, though, so with his size, he could still be a solid bottom 6 guy in the NHL.

I guess to me if I can trade bottom-6 potential for top-4 D potential, I'd do it even knowing that my team needs some size and grit.
- Monkeypunk

Because the only waiver exempt guy is Mayo I believe...who has shown he is an NHL defender.

Villimaki was an option? But I though I read he has done well this season.

You should be knocking Douglas.

One assist this year in 13 AHL games.

He’s never going to play in the NHL.
- Atomic Wedgie

This is why we should be able to praise Dubas here.

He signed a nobody a few years ago, and turned him into a player who has NHL potential and can play right now.

He is going to NHL 05 this female dog and turn Timmins into Soucy, then Soucy into Chychrun and then Chychrun into Makar.

I mean . . . I've said before that I always liked Timmins. I realize his injury history (concussion / knee) is a red flag, but he does have top-4 potential that could yet be realized. He's lost two full years of development due to injury as well as a year due to COVID protocols as well. At 24 and returning from a knee injury, Arizona wanted him to stay in the AHL because his 10 game conditioning stint didn't go well.

Realistically how a team vying to get Connor Bedard could look at a defenseman and think, "He's not ready to play for us," is a bit out of left field! If he's passed a physical, then he's worth that roll of the dice to me, despite his glaring injury history.

We all like the _idea_ of what Douglas brings. A 6'9 guy who picks up small defensemen by one leg and hurls them over the glass and into the first row. Well his type used to, until they put up those pesky protective nets. But Douglas honestly isn't a very good skater nor is he particularly feisty or mean for a guy his size. He's meaner than Engvall, but so was Mister Rogers. He's only 22, though, so with his size, he could still be a solid bottom 6 guy in the NHL.

I guess to me if I can trade bottom-6 potential for top-4 D potential, I'd do it even knowing that my team needs some size and grit.
- Monkeypunk

Timmins isnt small, hes 6'2 so they still got size in the deal.
If timmins can eventually play in the bottom 6, its a good trade for the leafs. But its not an amazing steal like some are claiming. At least not yet.
Maybe in a year or two that changes, it would be great if it does as the guy has some potential

Timmins isnt small, hes 6'2 so they still got size in the deal.
If timmins can eventually play in the bottom 6, its a good trade for the leafs. But its not an amazing steal like some are claiming. At least not yet.
Maybe in a year or two that changes, it would be great if it does as the guy has some potential
- Fakepartofme

People are allowed to evaluate trades based off of potential.

This is why we should be able to praise Dubas here.

He signed a nobody a few years ago, and turned him into a player who has NHL potential and can play right now.

He is going to NHL 05 this female dog and turn Timmins into Soucy, then Soucy into Chychrun and then Chychrun into Makar.
- Santo_44

Those were the best of times!

People are allowed to evaluate trades based off of potential.
- Santo_44

Of course. He has potential.
But for now its not an "amazing steal" of a trade IMO.
Could be in time though.
For now, nice trade for sure as we get a depth D guy once he's no longer injured.
Like I said, hoping it becomes a steal for Dubie.